Me4LionsPresident wrote: lol... Yea I told my wife if she ever does get me a gift again; whether for christmas, my birthday or fathers day then it should be ammo!

If i go the cheap route ill take up that deal S&W is offering just to have a 2nd AR, but if I feel like slappin something together I may save. Not sure what to do yet, S&W has deals like that all the time so there is no rush.

post pics once you get you AR together

I am a pic posting moron.  I can go to a website find a picture and copy/paste, but if I go to "My Pictures" I can find the picture which is .jpg, right click "copy" but when I come here and right click, the "paste" function is ghosted out.  I just tried to open with Microsoft Office 2010 and the paste wasn't ghosted but when I clicked, nothing appeared.  Same when I "opened with" Paint and Fax and Picture viewer.  Now if I use email and attach, it drops it in and can be opened.  If you can clue me in, that would be great.  If not and you still want to see it PM me your number and I'll text them to you.  I would recommend building an AR, just for the fun of it.  You'll probably find that what you'd save in money, will vanish and then go the other direction because you'll go... wow, for a "little bit more" I can get this rail, or this BCG (go Spike's NiB and don't look back!).  But it's a labor of love and when you are done I guarentee you will like it more than off the shelf because it's 100% yours.  Just hope it goes bang when you are done   So much on youtube and AR15.com as far as "how to" it's sick and you might want to go to someone to put the barrell on for you and perhaps the lower parts kit, but you'd probably do just as well to reach out on AR15.com.  Find someone in your area that's willing to help you do it.  A case of beer goes a long way and that way you get it done right, but also are involved in every step and get a new buddy out of the deal who's a black gun nut too!

BTW I the first "new" car I ever purchased was an Eclipse Turbo (Monarch Green Pearl w/ Tan leather!) like your body style.  Freaking sweet but the torque steer with the FWD was a bit to get used to.  Great gas mileage and very fun to drive.  Put over 200K on it and only had to put in one rebuilt turbo and normal stuff.  Great ride.  Had to move on from the stick, because traffic jams and my not so great left knee was becoming a problem.  So now I've got the G37 Coupe with the 7 speed automatic and I'm good with that.  Great minds think alike!

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote: lol... Yea I told my wife if she ever does get me a gift again; whether for christmas, my birthday or fathers day then it should be ammo!

If i go the cheap route ill take up that deal S&W is offering just to have a 2nd AR, but if I feel like slappin something together I may save. Not sure what to do yet, S&W has deals like that all the time so there is no rush.

post pics once you get you AR together

I am a pic posting moron.  I can go to a website find a picture and copy/paste, but if I go to "My Pictures" I can find the picture which is .jpg, right click "copy" but when I come here and right click, the "paste" function is ghosted out.  I just tried to open with Microsoft Office 2010 and the paste wasn't ghosted but when I clicked, nothing appeared.  Same when I "opened with" Paint and Fax and Picture viewer.  Now if I use email and attach, it drops it in and can be opened.  If you can clue me in, that would be great.  If not and you still want to see it PM me your number and I'll text them to you.  I would recommend building an AR, just for the fun of it.  You'll probably find that what you'd save in money, will vanish and then go the other direction because you'll go... wow, for a "little bit more" I can get this rail, or this BCG (go Spike's NiB and don't look back!).  But it's a labor of love and when you are done I guarentee you will like it more than off the shelf because it's 100% yours.  Just hope it goes bang when you are done   So much on youtube and AR15.com as far as "how to" it's sick and you might want to go to someone to put the barrell on for you and perhaps the lower parts kit, but you'd probably do just as well to reach out on AR15.com.  Find someone in your area that's willing to help you do it.  A case of beer goes a long way and that way you get it done right, but also are involved in every step and get a new buddy out of the deal who's a black gun nut too!

BTW I the first "new" car I ever purchased was an Eclipse Turbo (Monarch Green Pearl w/ Tan leather!) like your body style.  Freaking sweet but the torque steer with the FWD was a bit to get used to.  Great gas mileage and very fun to drive.  Put over 200K on it and only had to put in one rebuilt turbo and normal stuff.  Great ride.  Had to move on from the stick, because traffic jams and my not so great left knee was becoming a problem.  So now I've got the G37 Coupe with the 7 speed automatic and I'm good with that.  Great minds think alike!

 

 

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote: lol... Yea I told my wife if she ever does get me a gift again; whether for christmas, my birthday or fathers day then it should be ammo!

If i go the cheap route ill take up that deal S&W is offering just to have a 2nd AR, but if I feel like slappin something together I may save. Not sure what to do yet, S&W has deals like that all the time so there is no rush.

post pics once you get you AR together

I am a pic posting moron.  I can go to a website find a picture and copy/paste, but if I go to "My Pictures" I can find the picture which is .jpg, right click "copy" but when I come here and right click, the "paste" function is ghosted out.  I just tried to open with Microsoft Office 2010 and the paste wasn't ghosted but when I clicked, nothing appeared.  Same when I "opened with" Paint and Fax and Picture viewer.  Now if I use email and attach, it drops it in and can be opened.  If you can clue me in, that would be great.  If not and you still want to see it PM me your number and I'll text them to you.  I would recommend building an AR, just for the fun of it.  You'll probably find that what you'd save in money, will vanish and then go the other direction because you'll go... wow, for a "little bit more" I can get this rail, or this BCG (go Spike's NiB and don't look back!).  But it's a labor of love and when you are done I guarentee you will like it more than off the shelf because it's 100% yours.  Just hope it goes bang when you are done   So much on youtube and AR15.com as far as "how to" it's sick and you might want to go to someone to put the barrell on for you and perhaps the lower parts kit, but you'd probably do just as well to reach out on AR15.com.  Find someone in your area that's willing to help you do it.  A case of beer goes a long way and that way you get it done right, but also are involved in every step and get a new buddy out of the deal who's a black gun nut too!

BTW I the first "new" car I ever purchased was an Eclipse Turbo (Monarch Green Pearl w/ Tan leather!) like your body style.  Freaking sweet but the torque steer with the FWD was a bit to get used to.  Great gas mileage and very fun to drive.  Put over 200K on it and only had to put in one rebuilt turbo and normal stuff.  Great ride.  Had to move on from the stick, because traffic jams and my not so great left knee was becoming a problem.  So now I've got the G37 Coupe with the 7 speed automatic and I'm good with that.  Great minds think alike!

 

 

lol, well i have no idea how to post personal pictures either. I just upload them to facebook then copy/paste.

as far as pic texting, i dont have texting on my cell because we dont have reception out where we live so our flip phones are always off. haha

and about the car... My first vehicle was a 1990 F-150 300 straight 6, bought it from my cousin for $500 and it had 200,000+ miles and I sold it at 248,000 miles for $250. Thing ran like a champ. my next vehicle was a 1993 Eclipse GS - my first standard. I upgraded to a 1999 Eclipse GST which is the car in the picture, did most the mods myself and got it from 190whp to 305 over its first winter(drove around a ford taurus station wagon in the winter, best beater car EVER!!! lots of memories with it).

after my injuries in iraq i was determined to get back to driving a standard, however the VA wouldnt cover the expenses to accessorize any standard transmissions. Thought about an auto conversion but Id rather just go out and buy an auto. When i was in BAMC for therapy i had my car further upgraded to 378whp on pump and 420 on race fuel. it sat for a year and i brought it in for a retune at a lower boost and got 366whp out of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...mp;feature=plcp Then i met my wife and we started the family thing and I started my gun collection. I finally decided to sell the car cuz my boys wont be old enough to drive for 14 and 16 years and i dont want the wiring to go bad in the car before then. There is under 68,000 miles on the car, lots of life left and lots of potential.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...mp;cmd=ViewItem



I love my tacoma, perfect size vehicle for me 3 dogs a wife and 2 boys, and we've got a mini van too now which is quite convenient.

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote: lol... Yea I told my wife if she ever does get me a gift again; whether for christmas, my birthday or fathers day then it should be ammo!

If i go the cheap route ill take up that deal S&W is offering just to have a 2nd AR, but if I feel like slappin something together I may save. Not sure what to do yet, S&W has deals like that all the time so there is no rush.

post pics once you get you AR together

I am a pic posting moron.  I can go to a website find a picture and copy/paste, but if I go to "My Pictures" I can find the picture which is .jpg, right click "copy" but when I come here and right click, the "paste" function is ghosted out.  I just tried to open with Microsoft Office 2010 and the paste wasn't ghosted but when I clicked, nothing appeared.  Same when I "opened with" Paint and Fax and Picture viewer.  Now if I use email and attach, it drops it in and can be opened.  If you can clue me in, that would be great.  If not and you still want to see it PM me your number and I'll text them to you.  I would recommend building an AR, just for the fun of it.  You'll probably find that what you'd save in money, will vanish and then go the other direction because you'll go... wow, for a "little bit more" I can get this rail, or this BCG (go Spike's NiB and don't look back!).  But it's a labor of love and when you are done I guarentee you will like it more than off the shelf because it's 100% yours.  Just hope it goes bang when you are done   So much on youtube and AR15.com as far as "how to" it's sick and you might want to go to someone to put the barrell on for you and perhaps the lower parts kit, but you'd probably do just as well to reach out on AR15.com.  Find someone in your area that's willing to help you do it.  A case of beer goes a long way and that way you get it done right, but also are involved in every step and get a new buddy out of the deal who's a black gun nut too!

BTW I the first "new" car I ever purchased was an Eclipse Turbo (Monarch Green Pearl w/ Tan leather!) like your body style.  Freaking sweet but the torque steer with the FWD was a bit to get used to.  Great gas mileage and very fun to drive.  Put over 200K on it and only had to put in one rebuilt turbo and normal stuff.  Great ride.  Had to move on from the stick, because traffic jams and my not so great left knee was becoming a problem.  So now I've got the G37 Coupe with the 7 speed automatic and I'm good with that.  Great minds think alike!

 

 

lol, well i have no idea how to post personal pictures either. I just upload them to facebook then copy/paste.

as far as pic texting, i dont have texting on my cell because we dont have reception out where we live so our flip phones are always off. haha

and about the car... My first vehicle was a 1990 F-150 300 straight 6, bought it from my cousin for $500 and it had 200,000+ miles and I sold it at 248,000 miles for $250. Thing ran like a champ. my next vehicle was a 1993 Eclipse GS - my first standard. I upgraded to a 1999 Eclipse GST which is the car in the picture, did most the mods myself and got it from 190whp to 305 over its first winter(drove around a ford taurus station wagon in the winter, best beater car EVER!!! lots of memories with it).

after my injuries in iraq i was determined to get back to driving a standard, however the VA wouldnt cover the expenses to accessorize any standard transmissions. Thought about an auto conversion but Id rather just go out and buy an auto. When i was in BAMC for therapy i had my car further upgraded to 378whp on pump and 420 on race fuel. it sat for a year and i brought it in for a retune at a lower boost and got 366whp out of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...mp;feature=plcp Then i met my wife and we started the family thing and I started my gun collection. I finally decided to sell the car cuz my boys wont be old enough to drive for 14 and 16 years and i dont want the wiring to go bad in the car before then. There is under 68,000 miles on the car, lots of life left and lots of potential.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...mp;cmd=ViewItem



I love my tacoma, perfect size vehicle for me 3 dogs a wife and 2 boys, and we've got a mini van too now which is quite convenient.

anyone have any experience or opinions on 22 pistols?

The 3 Im looking at are the new Ruger SR22, the M&P22 which came out summer of 2011, and the Walther P22... All modernized 22s. Every dealer ive gone to reccommended the P22 but that was just after the M&P came out and prior to the SR22 release. If I went back today Im sure theyd have something else to say as the P22 doesnt have great reviews and the SR22 and M&P22 do have great reviews.

the difference is 9oz in weight between the M&P22 and SR22. The SR22 is ergonomically closer to the Walther. Not sure, but due to the M&P being 24oz I would assume they made it heavier to feel more like the rest of the M&P pistols, possibly for cheap ammo training purposes?

Well, myself and 3 other buddies are all lookin around and trying to decide which to go with.

Ruger has the best reviews and cheapest price, Walther next in price but last in reviews, M&P last in price and 2nd in reviews.

the older style S&Ws and Rugers have good reviews and are even cheaper but personally I think I wanna stick with a modern style/model

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

anyone have any experience or opinions on 22 pistols?

The 3 Im looking at are the new Ruger SR22, the M&P22 which came out summer of 2011, and the Walther P22... All modernized 22s. Every dealer ive gone to reccommended the P22 but that was just after the M&P came out and prior to the SR22 release. If I went back today Im sure theyd have something else to say as the P22 doesnt have great reviews and the SR22 and M&P22 do have great reviews.

the difference is 9oz in weight between the M&P22 and SR22. The SR22 is ergonomically closer to the Walther. Not sure, but due to the M&P being 24oz I would assume they made it heavier to feel more like the rest of the M&P pistols, possibly for cheap ammo training purposes?

Well, myself and 3 other buddies are all lookin around and trying to decide which to go with.

Ruger has the best reviews and cheapest price, Walther next in price but last in reviews, M&P last in price and 2nd in reviews.

the older style S&Ws and Rugers have good reviews and are even cheaper but personally I think I wanna stick with a modern style/model

Age old relevant question.  What is this for.  Though the "Hushpuppy" a silenced .22 has killed more people than smallpox, that was a specially designed pistol for covert assassination, where the slide could be locked so as not to have a spent casing hit the ground causing noise, and was meant to be administers from an inch away or less.  I'm going to assume this is strictly to save money on ammo, while honing your pistol shooting skill and not any type of defensive purpose which would be foolish.

Said all that to say this.  Spend the money and go in a totally different direction.  There are several pisols on the market that offer conversion kits to existing pistols.  You change out the magazine, barrell and slide group and you go from 9mm or .45ACP to .22.  So yes you take the pain of buying the big bore pistol and a few hundred for the conversion group, but in the end, you have much more versitility and you are training with the same pistol.  Same sight picture, same safety, same trigger group, same frame/ grip size.  So when you give me chocolate or vanilla, you should know by now that I'm going to say "strawberry."

http://www.sigsauer.com/sigsto...p;productid=266

Get yourself a used Sig P-226 9mm and one of these conversion kits.  You'll come in under a grand and have two pistols in one!   No diss to Ruger, but a Ruger is no Sig Sauer.

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

anyone have any experience or opinions on 22 pistols?

The 3 Im looking at are the new Ruger SR22, the M&P22 which came out summer of 2011, and the Walther P22... All modernized 22s. Every dealer ive gone to reccommended the P22 but that was just after the M&P came out and prior to the SR22 release. If I went back today Im sure theyd have something else to say as the P22 doesnt have great reviews and the SR22 and M&P22 do have great reviews.

the difference is 9oz in weight between the M&P22 and SR22. The SR22 is ergonomically closer to the Walther. Not sure, but due to the M&P being 24oz I would assume they made it heavier to feel more like the rest of the M&P pistols, possibly for cheap ammo training purposes?

Well, myself and 3 other buddies are all lookin around and trying to decide which to go with.

Ruger has the best reviews and cheapest price, Walther next in price but last in reviews, M&P last in price and 2nd in reviews.

the older style S&Ws and Rugers have good reviews and are even cheaper but personally I think I wanna stick with a modern style/model

Age old relevant question.  What is this for.  Though the "Hushpuppy" a silenced .22 has killed more people than smallpox, that was a specially designed pistol for covert assassination, where the slide could be locked so as not to have a spent casing hit the ground causing noise, and was meant to be administers from an inch away or less.  I'm going to assume this is strictly to save money on ammo, while honing your pistol shooting skill and not any type of defensive purpose which would be foolish.

Said all that to say this.  Spend the money and go in a totally different direction.  There are several pisols on the market that offer conversion kits to existing pistols.  You change out the magazine, barrell and slide group and you go from 9mm or .45ACP to .22.  So yes you take the pain of buying the big bore pistol and a few hundred for the conversion group, but in the end, you have much more versitility and you are training with the same pistol.  Same sight picture, same safety, same trigger group, same frame/ grip size.  So when you give me chocolate or vanilla, you should know by now that I'm going to say "strawberry."

 

http://www.sigsauer.com/sigsto...p;productid=266

Get yourself a used Sig P-226 9mm and one of these conversion kits.  You'll come in under a grand and have two pistols in one!   No diss to Ruger, but a Ruger is no Sig Sauer.

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

anyone have any experience or opinions on 22 pistols?

The 3 Im looking at are the new Ruger SR22, the M&P22 which came out summer of 2011, and the Walther P22... All modernized 22s. Every dealer ive gone to reccommended the P22 but that was just after the M&P came out and prior to the SR22 release. If I went back today Im sure theyd have something else to say as the P22 doesnt have great reviews and the SR22 and M&P22 do have great reviews.

the difference is 9oz in weight between the M&P22 and SR22. The SR22 is ergonomically closer to the Walther. Not sure, but due to the M&P being 24oz I would assume they made it heavier to feel more like the rest of the M&P pistols, possibly for cheap ammo training purposes?

Well, myself and 3 other buddies are all lookin around and trying to decide which to go with.

Ruger has the best reviews and cheapest price, Walther next in price but last in reviews, M&P last in price and 2nd in reviews.

the older style S&Ws and Rugers have good reviews and are even cheaper but personally I think I wanna stick with a modern style/model

Age old relevant question.  What is this for.  Though the "Hushpuppy" a silenced .22 has killed more people than smallpox, that was a specially designed pistol for covert assassination, where the slide could be locked so as not to have a spent casing hit the ground causing noise, and was meant to be administers from an inch away or less.  I'm going to assume this is strictly to save money on ammo, while honing your pistol shooting skill and not any type of defensive purpose which would be foolish.

Said all that to say this.  Spend the money and go in a totally different direction.  There are several pisols on the market that offer conversion kits to existing pistols.  You change out the magazine, barrell and slide group and you go from 9mm or .45ACP to .22.  So yes you take the pain of buying the big bore pistol and a few hundred for the conversion group, but in the end, you have much more versitility and you are training with the same pistol.  Same sight picture, same safety, same trigger group, same frame/ grip size.  So when you give me chocolate or vanilla, you should know by now that I'm going to say "strawberry."

 

http://www.sigsauer.com/sigsto...p;productid=266

Get yourself a used Sig P-226 9mm and one of these conversion kits.  You'll come in under a grand and have two pistols in one!   No diss to Ruger, but a Ruger is no Sig Sauer.

ive got 2 pistols and my wife has one, i have a glock 17 and an M&P40 and she has the M&P9 compact

i wonder if there are plans to make 22 conversion kits for any of those

i wouldnt mind going with the Sig kit if i already had the pistol but not sure I want to buy a whole new pistol for that reason alone. I understand what youre saying about having the exact same feel for training with the 22, minus the recoil of course.

Im lookin for something that comfortable, accurate, reliable, durable, shoots almost all 22 ammo, for plinking, safe for the wife and kids to learn on, competition with friends and an occasional carry in the woods type pistol. The training part for other calibers is the bonus.

Me4LionsPresident wrote: Well, found an FFL locally that charges just $20 for transfer fee for Military and LE, S&W offers $100 rebate for Military and LE, and budspolicesupply has this AR listed at $753... +$8 ship insurance...

at the end the M&P15OR is $681 out the door and I can modify it however i want...

Was gonna go with a 22 pistol, a 357 revolver(the one i want isnt in stock), start to build my own AR10(starting with this http://www.rainierarms.com/?pa...product_id=3081) or get a spikes tactical AR at 10% off for Military and LE(6 month backorder), so I went with the M&P15OR...

Gun show in Nashville this weekend, taking some cash for either a scope, stage 2 trigger, ammo, AR10 part or a deal on a 22 pistol or 357 revovler... if i come home empty handed then that just means i can get whatever i was looking at cheaper online.

Very nice value on the S&W ORC.  Just stick with the lighter bullets in 5.56 like the 55 grain which is most common.  It has a 1:9 twist barrel which has stabilization issues with heavier bullets.  You can use this as a great platform and modify as you go if you want.

As far as my range report from Memorial Day it was a mixed bag.  I still am not 100% happy with my trigger, which is a Spikes Battle Trigger group with JP reduced power springs.  For popping rounds at close range, it's fine, but for bench shooting it just isn't where I want to be.  To crunchy on the pre-travel and though break is crisp, it's heavier than I want.  I tried to stay away from a 2 stage trigger, but that is what I love about my sweet shooting Ruger Mark II Varment.  I haven't put a scale on the trigger to see what poundage it breaks at, but Timiney sells a fully enclosed drop in single stage at 3 lbs.  I'd lose my tacticool looking oiled bronze finished trigger, but I think that's the route I'm going to go eventually.  That said, I was able to zero my scope, holosight and back up magpul flip up iron sights (they were dead nuts on without one adjustment).  It was hot as hades, but it was made a little better by my great idea of putting up a lean-two to give us some shade.  We were in a horse pasture and unfortunately the way the terrain was, we could only get about 65 yards from our targets.  I really wanted some longer range work, but since the ammo and place to shoot were free, I couldn't really complain.  Had a lot of fun.  Got some good AR and pistol work in.

The trip itself was awesome.  Got to hang with my Ranger buddy and went back home (Ft. Benning).  We toured the old Ranger barracks, which have been converted to a Medic outfit.  With no CQ on duty and an open door.... we slid upstairs and stood outside our old room where much pain was inflicted upon us.  Then we went to the new Ranger barracks...  WOW.  These boys are livin right (when they are in town).  We went to old Peden Field where we used to do our PT.  I did one pullup for the Ranger in the Sky, (always the last Ranger killed in combat) and marveled at what we USED to be able to do back when we were hard. 

We toured the Ranger Memorial which was really cool.  You can still buy marble blocks that are inscribed with your name and Ranger unit there.  Probably going to get that done.  We saw quite a few old buddies names enshrined there and legends such as Frank Merrill of Merrill's Mauraders in WWII and even a Ranger from Marion's Rangers of the Revolutionary War.  Then we went to the Infantry Museum.  If anyone wants an amazing place to go view some military history.  This is it.  Unbelievable.  You'd go into the WWI area and would be in a trench system with actual footage being projected on a huge boulder.  The Vietnam room, you open the door and the heat and humidity is cranked up.  When you shut the door it goes pretty dark and you are engulfed by simulated jungle.  A recording is going of a guy talking about a day in the life and all of the sudden "AMBUSH" and gunfire and explosions are going off all around you.  My buddy said that it used to be more intense but they had to tone it down a bit because some vets were not taking the "surpise" too well.  Understandibly so.  So, all in all, a great Memorial Day weekend for a couple of slow fat former Rangers.  Some pics of the weekend below.



Still got it...sort of...



New A Co. 3/75 Barracks



3rd Batt Memorial



Ranger Monument



Me and the worlds largest dagger



Omaha Beach display at U.S. Army Infantry Museum



Not so affectionately known as "Cardiac Hill" a 1/4 mile plus beast that would come at the END of a 12 mile run around the airfield.  No, I was not inclined to re-live that action!!!



Range day.  My buddy Scott trying to unsuccessfully hang with my shot groups.  The lean-two served it's purpose beating back the blazing Alabama sun.  He did win the larger beer belly contest however...

sid11 wrote: If you want the real memorial, go over and stare and point du hoc. I can't imagine what was running through those guys minds climbing that thing.

Me4LionsPresident wrote: There are a lot of post war places id like to visit, we are waiting til the kids are older. Thanks for sharing your weekend!

Me4LionsPresident wrote: There are a lot of post war places id like to visit, we are waiting til the kids are older. Thanks for sharing your weekend!

the M&P15OR should be in on Monday, Im hoping. I already have a few parts for it, Spent 120 on a foregrip, stock, handguard, and trigger guard from Magpul... I have Troy flip sights and also the sights that came off my M&P15-22, not sure if they'll work on the M&P15 though. Next up is a trigger, not sure if Im gonna go with a Timiney, Wilson, or a stage 2 from RRA which is $130. I hear good things about the RRA Varmint trigger as well. Gonna do some more reading, its too bad I cant try them all and see for myself which I like better. My neighbor has the RRA Elite Operator 2, I shot it and loved it.

Yea like you said about the 1:9 twist barrel, I will only s hoot 53gr to 62gr, nothing over that. All the ammo i have now is 55gr 5.56 and .223. I also have some varmint rounds, 53gr.

This is part of the reason Im going to go with a Spikes at the right price, so I can have an AR mostly mil-spec with 1:7 twist barrel. I shot my neighbors RRA unsupported, with iron sights at 100 yards... 5 of 5 on a 10in steel target. I really liked it. Found it for a little over $900 at buds and it comes complete with Ergo suregrip, half quadrail handguard, full top rail, flip front sight, choice of rear sight, stage 2 trigger, winter trigger guard, nice adjustable stock, not much room to grow IMO. I think chromed bolt carrier group and chromelined barrel.

3RDRGR wrote:

Me4LionsPresident wrote: There are a lot of post war places id like to visit, we are waiting til the kids are older. Thanks for sharing your weekend!

the M&P15OR should be in on Monday, Im hoping. I already have a few parts for it, Spent 120 on a foregrip, stock, handguard, and trigger guard from Magpul... I have Troy flip sights and also the sights that came off my M&P15-22, not sure if they'll work on the M&P15 though. Next up is a trigger, not sure if Im gonna go with a Timiney, Wilson, or a stage 2 from RRA which is $130. I hear good things about the RRA Varmint trigger as well. Gonna do some more reading, its too bad I cant try them all and see for myself which I like better. My neighbor has the RRA Elite Operator 2, I shot it and loved it.

Yea like you said about the 1:9 twist barrel, I will only s hoot 53gr to 62gr, nothing over that. All the ammo i have now is 55gr 5.56 and .223. I also have some varmint rounds, 53gr.

This is part of the reason Im going to go with a Spikes at the right price, so I can have an AR mostly mil-spec with 1:7 twist barrel. I shot my neighbors RRA unsupported, with iron sights at 100 yards... 5 of 5 on a 10in steel target. I really liked it. Found it for a little over $900 at buds and it comes complete with Ergo suregrip, half quadrail handguard, full top rail, flip front sight, choice of rear sight, stage 2 trigger, winter trigger guard, nice adjustable stock, not much room to grow IMO. I think chromed bolt carrier group and chromelined barrel.

Yeah, the RRA Operator or Elite Operator as well are some pretty well put together "off the shelf" AR's.  If you can find them, I'd pass on the Magpul trigger guard for the Spikes.  That are metal as opposed to plastic and the are scallped on the sides.  Very sweet and like 20 bucks I think.

Ah... here you go: 

http://www.joeboboutfitters.co...&Click=4368

iTopher wrote: playing a lot of Call Of Duty has made me appreciate gun science..

i'm learning a lot about guns here..
never knew it was so customizable....
it's almost like gearheads talking about lifters, cams, headers and carburetors..

watched these the past couple of days...

Four part series on Modern Snipers...

Ep. 1 www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTjNFK...feature=related
Ep. 2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn61cU0zxJw&feature=re lmfu
Ep. 3 www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM_wrnhabvc&feature=re lmfu
Ep. 4 www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoiKmWKE3LM&feature=re lmfu

sid11 wrote: I'm sure you guys will disagree with me, but I never got the rationale behind tricking out the AR's. Most of them right out of the box will outshoot me, no matter how good I get. I've just never seen that the time and money to make one of those super shooters would every pay off for a normal person.

3RDRGR wrote:

sid11 wrote: I'm sure you guys will disagree with me, but I never got the rationale behind tricking out the AR's. Most of them right out of the box will outshoot me, no matter how good I get. I've just never seen that the time and money to make one of those super shooters would every pay off for a normal person.

Same argument can be made for many things.  Why do you need to spend 35K on a sports car when a rusted out pinto will get you to the same place?  Why do you need a 200K house when a one room apartment will keep the rain off you?  There are indeed reasons why.  It just may not worth it to the Pinto driver or the apartment liver.  I mean a standard mil spec BCG is 100 bucks.  It will work splendidly IF you keep it well lubricated and relatively clean.  In a controlled environment that isn't hard to do.  Downrange, or during the Zombie Apocolypse it just might be.  So I pay an extra 100 bucks for something that to the average bear, looks like a shiney cool BCG which is stupid.  But the reality is that it is coated with Nickle Boron and can run thousands and thousands of rounds without failure DRY.  The number one cause of failure in the AR platform is a BCG that gets too dry or dirty.  That's no longer a problem for me.  Well worth the 100 bucks extra.

i hear hear both you guys... no point in spending the money or adding the weight on things for your gun you wont use just cuz it looks cool, but some actually have a use for them. Right now I collect, shoot, and hunt with guns... In the military we had dismounted patrols at night in Baghdad, in which much of the accessories came in handy such as lights and lasers... IF someone chooses to use to use a light on a home defense weapon its perfectly understandable incase of a brake-in at night and lasers for better aim for those that have difficulty with sights/scopes.

Most accessories can be taken off with the turn of an allen wrench, flat head screw driver or a knob with your hand. Then you can take it out and shoot during the day with less mods. Each gun has its own purpose. My first 2 ARs are the same (M&P15) but they are different because one is for longer range that I equip with a 3-12x42 Nikon scope and bipod... while the other will have just a red dot or fixed 3x30 mil-dot reticle for a quick-grab unsupported method.

Either can be used for hunting. When I get my spikes AR(may be a few years from now) I will be able to throw a bit heavier rounds down range than I can with the M&P.

I want 2 AR-10s, 1 with a 20-24 inch barrel for long range and hunting and one for CQC/home defense and fun at the range. And of course everyone should have an AK on their list!

Ive got a super magnum 12Ga for hunting, nothing special other than it shooting 3.5" 3" and 2.75"... Then I got a tactical 12Ga light/laser ready 18" barrel for home defense. 2.75" 00Buck and the super mag is my backup with 3" or 3.5" 00Buck... I'll take that one the wife can take the 2.75"

sid11 wrote:

3RDRGR wrote:

sid11 wrote: I'm sure you guys will disagree with me, but I never got the rationale behind tricking out the AR's. Most of them right out of the box will outshoot me, no matter how good I get. I've just never seen that the time and money to make one of those super shooters would every pay off for a normal person.

Same argument can be made for many things.  Why do you need to spend 35K on a sports car when a rusted out pinto will get you to the same place?  Why do you need a 200K house when a one room apartment will keep the rain off you?  There are indeed reasons why.  It just may not worth it to the Pinto driver or the apartment liver.  I mean a standard mil spec BCG is 100 bucks.  It will work splendidly IF you keep it well lubricated and relatively clean.  In a controlled environment that isn't hard to do.  Downrange, or during the Zombie Apocolypse it just might be.  So I pay an extra 100 bucks for something that to the average bear, looks like a shiney cool BCG which is stupid.  But the reality is that it is coated with Nickle Boron and can run thousands and thousands of rounds without failure DRY.  The number one cause of failure in the AR platform is a BCG that gets too dry or dirty.  That's no longer a problem for me.  Well worth the 100 bucks extra.

I gotcha, but not quite what I was getting at.

What's a BCG?

I kind of look at it like a really nice spec AR is darn good to begin with.  There's some things that are indeed prudent, but I look at the laundry list here and say "really"??  I wasn't suggesting rusty pinto or apartment thing as I see the standard ARs to be pretty nice to begin with.  I see a lot of this (but again, not all) like they way those goofy geeks trick out those civics with the noisy mufflers and spoiler wings and the rest.

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

i hear hear both you guys... no point in spending the money or adding the weight on things for your gun you wont use just cuz it looks cool, but some actually have a use for them. Right now I collect, shoot, and hunt with guns... In the military we had dismounted patrols at night in Baghdad, in which much of the accessories came in handy such as lights and lasers... IF someone chooses to use to use a light on a home defense weapon its perfectly understandable incase of a brake-in at night and lasers for better aim for those that have difficulty with sights/scopes.

Most accessories can be taken off with the turn of an allen wrench, flat head screw driver or a knob with your hand. Then you can take it out and shoot during the day with less mods. Each gun has its own purpose. My first 2 ARs are the same (M&P15) but they are different because one is for longer range that I equip with a 3-12x42 Nikon scope and bipod... while the other will have just a red dot or fixed 3x30 mil-dot reticle for a quick-grab unsupported method.

Either can be used for hunting. When I get my spikes AR(may be a few years from now) I will be able to throw a bit heavier rounds down range than I can with the M&P.

I want 2 AR-10s, 1 with a 20-24 inch barrel for long range and hunting and one for CQC/home defense and fun at the range. And of course everyone should have an AK on their list!

Ive got a super magnum 12Ga for hunting, nothing special other than it shooting 3.5" 3" and 2.75"... Then I got a tactical 12Ga light/laser ready 18" barrel for home defense. 2.75" 00Buck and the super mag is my backup with 3" or 3.5" 00Buck... I'll take that one the wife can take the 2.75"

Me4LionsPresident wrote:

thinking about swapping the 16" 1:9 twist barrel on the M&P(w/scope and quadrail) for a 20" 1:8 twist...

what do you guys think of this: http://www.fulton-armory.com/b...x8threaded.aspx

not sure if its compatible with M&P