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No black head coaches or GM's hired this year

Posted: 1/18/2013 7:45 PM

No black head coaches or GM's hired this year 





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I dont want to hear anymore on how the Rooney rule is not needed. Look at Andy Reid's last 3 yrs and Lovie Smith's last 3 yrs. Andy was out of work for 4 days.   Still an old boys network..
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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:54 PM

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Really lol??
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:05 PM

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Who cares.  Honestly, that 'group' always tries to find something to complain about.  Maybe we should be suing the world because there aren't as many black Billionaire's and maybe there should be a rule to require at least half of hockey's coaches to be black.

OH, maybe we should complain about NASCAR too... or require at least 15 black CEOs.  It's stupid and bad business to require someone to hire a guy just to make sure there are a certain number of another race.  To me, that should be deemed racist.

Black people want to keep crying about racial this and racial that and THEY are the one's who start it all by claiming everything is about race.  Get over it already.  It's 2013... not 1962
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:13 PM

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HowSuhWeet wrote: Who cares.  Honestly, that 'group' always tries to find something to complain about.  Maybe we should be suing the world because there aren't as many black Billionaire's and maybe there should be a rule to require at least half of hockey's coaches to be black.

OH, maybe we should complain about NASCAR too... or require at least 15 black CEOs.  It's stupid and bad business to require someone to hire a guy just to make sure there are a certain number of another race.  To me, that should be deemed racist.

Black people want to keep crying about racial this and racial that and THEY are the one's who start it all by claiming everything is about race.  Get over it already.  It's 2013... not 1962
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segregation have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:21 PM

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mongoose wrote:
HowSuhWeet wrote: Who cares.  Honestly, that 'group' always tries to find something to complain about.  Maybe we should be suing the world because there aren't as many black Billionaire's and maybe there should be a rule to require at least half of hockey's coaches to be black.

OH, maybe we should complain about NASCAR too... or require at least 15 black CEOs.  It's stupid and bad business to require someone to hire a guy just to make sure there are a certain number of another race.  To me, that should be deemed racist.

Black people want to keep crying about racial this and racial that and THEY are the one's who start it all by claiming everything is about race.  Get over it already.  It's 2013... not 1962
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segration have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
I don't think racism doesn't exist... what I think, however, is that a lot of 'racial' stuff is actually conjured up by the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who claim they are fighting for equal rights and all that and yet... most of the time it's just them wanting to bitch and moan and be in the media.

As far as the women comment goes, maybe we should be suing the NFL for not allowing women to play or sue the NFL for not having or at least interviewing women head coaches. It's basically the same thing isn't it?  We can't complain about one and just turn a blind eye to the other.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:24 PM

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Bull.

Is racism and segregation still around?  Absolutely.

Is the fact that no black coaches or GM's hired this year an example of this?  NO.

The more troubling part of this is that it has been 6 years since a black head coach has been hired without being a member of the organization already.

However, the fact remains these teams are a business first for the owners, they are hiring whoever they think will produce the most wins for them and make their team successful.  The fact that they felt that white coaches and GM's were better qualified is their call.  Besides, I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asian or Latin GMs or coaches.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:27 PM

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If Schwartz had any guts he'd bring in Lovie Smith as our DC. But he knows he'd be hiring his replacement, so keeps Gunther and Linehan around because they are not HC candidates.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:28 PM

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mongoose wrote: 
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segration have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
Your whole post if full of stupid.

P.S. - "Its 2013" is actually true. More evidence that your the one living in the past...



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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:33 PM

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It isnt all about having women in the league and what not, its about the actual makeup of the game. Like it or not African-Americans have dominated the sport for decades, former players who have a lot to give back to the game are not receiving fair chances for advancement because a lot of the same guys are routinely taking so many of 32 spots. That's the old boy network at its greatest. Get a good coach in, he brings his guys, they win, move on and he either brings his guys or raids another buddy's top guys. The only way to combat that is to influx more from some form of fair legislation.



 

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:35 PM

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Lovie Smith went to the playoffs 3 times in 8 yrs while Andy Reid has been to the NFC championship 4 times won the NFC East 7 times and went to the playoffs 9 times..  Affirmative action is the only way Lovie Smith is more qualified then Andy Reid..
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:44 PM

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Dude even if you were trying to make a point, you used a bad comparison with Andy Reid and Lovie Smith. In 9 years Lovie made the playoffs 3 friggin times. Reid has made it 9 times in 13 years. Both made a Super Bowl and lost. Smith's resume doesn't even compare to Reid. You better off comparing him to Jim Schwartz or somebody. But Andy Reid? One of the more credible guys that was cut loose this off-season.

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I dont want to hear anymore on how the Rooney rule is not needed. Look at Andy Reid's last 3 yrs and Lovie Smith's last 3 yrs. Andy was out of work for 4 days.   Still an old boys network..

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:45 PM

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NFL teams are so expensive, it's old money who can afford to buy teams, and old money is rich white dudes who grew up around other rich white dudes and only was around non-white dudes if they were the help.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:47 PM

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I don't know if racism has gotten worse since the 70s, but it is far more sophisticated then it was then. It's not brutal like it was in the old days.

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mongoose wrote: 
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segration have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
Your whole post if full of stupid.

P.S. - "Its 2013" is actually true. More evidence that your the one living in the past...

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:51 PM

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Everyone is aware that racism still exists, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. You have actually gone out of your way to make a point of something that has nothing to do with race.  You actually think these super rich billionaires, who are running billion dollar entities, are more concerned with hating black guys than making more money?  All they care about is making money.  I'm sure if there were eight Mike Tomlins available for hire this year they would already be off the market.  There isn't. Some people work out, some people collect stamps, some people watch birds.  Your hobby is trying to find racism in benign harmless places where it doesn't exist, and then pretend to be outraged about it.  Quit crying wolf, it lessens what people of way higher moral character and conviction, like Dr King, died for, and makes people tune you out whenever there might be actual racism or discrimination.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...s-hired-in-2013



I dont want to hear anymore on how the Rooney rule is not needed. Look at Andy Reid's last 3 yrs and Lovie Smith's last 3 yrs. Andy was out of work for 4 days.   Still an old boys network..

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:59 PM

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TCsFinest wrote:
mongoose wrote: 
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segregation have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
Your whole post if full of stupid.

P.S. - "Its 2013" is actually true. More evidence that your the one living in the past...
Thank you for the very kind words!

You are right about one thing you technical sucker, it is 2013... jeez oh peets, I didn't know that!

Now maybe you should go and take a look at segregation issues that exist today, go and take those numbers and compare them to the 60's then you tell me if I'm fact or fiction.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:03 PM

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Btw just so people know I think the Rooney rule is indeed a stupid rule, I just have different viewpoints when it comes to racism and segregation today. I do indeed think it is very much present, and hasn't improved in the last 40 years.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:28 PM

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I wasn't at all surprised that Lovie didn't get a bite....in fact, I tweeted Adam Schefter multiple times during the firing / hiring process, predicting Lovie wouldn't get a HC gig.

It's not about being "smart"; it's about me being too old not to know the game. I call it the "120% Factor"....I'm just being candid: us black guys are usually required 120% - or else.....
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:51 PM

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snoits wrote: Bull.

Is racism and segregation still around?  Absolutely.

Is the fact that no black coaches or GM's hired this year an example of this?  NO.

The more troubling part of this is that it has been 6 years since a black head coach has been hired without being a member of the organization already.

However, the fact remains these teams are a business first for the owners, they are hiring whoever they think will produce the most wins for them and make their team successful.  The fact that they felt that white coaches and GM's were better qualified is their call.  Besides, I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asian or Latin GMs or coaches.
Who was the last Asian to play football? I really can't think of any.

I personally think that the best guy for the job will be hired period, but overall Asians don't have much of a say in this conversation.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 1:18 AM

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I have to agree completely that Lovie should have gotten a job before Andy Reid. Reid may have a longer history of success in his PAST, but nothing for a while and he has personal issues to consider as well. Lovie took over a junk franchise and brought them to a SB with a QB who is a #3 in the league right now. Lovie just won 10 games and Reid won 4. Reid has always had a real problem running the ball enough.

Lovie should have been a hot commodity in the NFL as a proven HC with a track record of success. There were several white guys with nowhere near the resume of Lovie who got jobs. It still comes down to many old white guys who feel more comfortable dealing with white HC's.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 6:06 AM

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Motorcitymaniac, I love the way you cherry picked Andy Reid's stats. look at his last three yrs. plus Phil was odds on preseason favorites to win it all. (dream team). But you told on yourself with the Lovie affrimative action line..  You are what we fight every day..  keep it up..
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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:11 AM

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mongoose wrote:
HowSuhWeet wrote: Who cares.  Honestly, that 'group' always tries to find something to complain about.  Maybe we should be suing the world because there aren't as many black Billionaire's and maybe there should be a rule to require at least half of hockey's coaches to be black.

OH, maybe we should complain about NASCAR too... or require at least 15 black CEOs.  It's stupid and bad business to require someone to hire a guy just to make sure there are a certain number of another race.  To me, that should be deemed racist.

Black people want to keep crying about racial this and racial that and THEY are the one's who start it all by claiming everything is about race.  Get over it already.  It's 2013... not 1962
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segregation have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
Women do make as much money as men.  You have to use some mighty distorted stats to show otherwise.

I'd also like to see your justification for showing that racism has gotten worse since the 70's, which is an absurd statement.  As far as segregation goes, as long as people can "segregate" by choice, you really can't measure that.

 

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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:13 AM

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acmjmm34 wrote: It isnt all about having women in the league and what not, its about the actual makeup of the game. Like it or not African-Americans have dominated the sport for decades, former players who have a lot to give back to the game are not receiving fair chances for advancement because a lot of the same guys are routinely taking so many of 32 spots. That's the old boy network at its greatest. Get a good coach in, he brings his guys, they win, move on and he either brings his guys or raids another buddy's top guys. The only way to combat that is to influx more from some form of fair legislation.
How are they not receiving their fair chance?

 

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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:36 AM

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mongoose wrote:
TCsFinest wrote:
mongoose wrote: 
I'm not totally disagreeing with everything that you have to say here HowSuhWeet, but racism and segregation have actually gotten worse since the 70's. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that things have improved in the last 40 years, because they actually haven't. Obviously their are exceptions, but that is why they are called exceptions and not the norm.

You prolly think women make as much money as men too.

"Get over it already, it's 2013" isn't actually true.
Your whole post if full of stupid.

P.S. - "Its 2013" is actually true. More evidence that your the one living in the past...
Thank you for the very kind words!

You are right about one thing you technical sucker, it is 2013... jeez oh peets, I didn't know that!

Now maybe you should go and take a look at segregation issues that exist today, go and take those numbers and compare them to the 60's then you tell me if I'm fact or fiction.
I'm not interested in your "stats". At this point in the information age you should be well aware that data can be manipulated to make any case you want. You want to see racism and segregation, so your going to find numbers that support that. Its no different that people that prefer Fox or MSNBC. 

Hows this for a stat: Our country just elected a black president. For the second time.

As for my kind words; sometimes people need a slap in the face to wake up.



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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:45 AM

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Maybe Lovie Smith is just an ass.  Very qualified people don't get hired for a number of reasons.

I have no reason why he hasn't been hired yet, but there was a reason Chicago let a 10-6 head coach go.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:20 AM

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In my view, the Rooney Rule may actually do a disservice to qualified African American head coaching candidates.  Instead of being treated the same as any other candidate for head coach, they're reduced to an item on a checklist before a head coaching hire may be made.

As for Lovie Smith, I see both sides of it. 

On the one hand, virtually every head coaching hire was from the offensive side of the ball (Bruce Arians, Rob Chudzinski, Doug Marrone, Marc Trestman, and Mike McCoy), or had an offensive orientation (Chip Kelly/Andy Reid).  The only exception is Gus Bradley in Jacksonville.  The NFL has become more of an offensive oriented league with defenses severely handcuffed.  Thus, it makes sense that owners want offensive-oriented head coaches. 

On the other hand, Lovie Smith had an excellent resume of success as a head coach.  To a great degree, I think he was handicapped by Angelo's often inept drafting.

There may better head coaching jobs available in 2014 anyway, e.g. Detroit Lions.pirate

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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:22 AM

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There's a new GM in Chicago who inherited Lovie from Angelo.  He probably wanted his own guy.  Part of it may be, "hey, you had a healthy Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Matt Forte, and you still couldn't get it done."noidea
WestCoastLionsFan wrote: Maybe Lovie Smith is just an ass.  Very qualified people don't get hired for a number of reasons.

I have no reason why he hasn't been hired yet, but there was a reason Chicago let a 10-6 head coach go.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:43 AM

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mongoose wrote:
snoits wrote: Bull.

Is racism and segregation still around?  Absolutely.

Is the fact that no black coaches or GM's hired this year an example of this?  NO.

The more troubling part of this is that it has been 6 years since a black head coach has been hired without being a member of the organization already.

However, the fact remains these teams are a business first for the owners, they are hiring whoever they think will produce the most wins for them and make their team successful.  The fact that they felt that white coaches and GM's were better qualified is their call.  Besides, I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asian or Latin GMs or coaches.
Who was the last Asian to play football? I really can't think of any.

I personally think that the best guy for the job will be hired period, but overall Asians don't have much of a say in this conversation.
It's not about Asian or Latin, I was just making a point.  To imply racism due to the fact that all white GM's and coaches were hired is crap.  If someone is going to complain that it is not fair that no Black coaches or GM's were hired, then that complaint needs to include all races in order to even hope to hold any water, and even then it's still crap.  

Hines Ward is probably the most notable Asian player.  Korean/Black, he was actually born in Korea.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 12:06 PM

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mongoose wrote:
snoits wrote: Bull.

Is racism and segregation still around?  Absolutely.

Is the fact that no black coaches or GM's hired this year an example of this?  NO.

The more troubling part of this is that it has been 6 years since a black head coach has been hired without being a member of the organization already.

However, the fact remains these teams are a business first for the owners, they are hiring whoever they think will produce the most wins for them and make their team successful.  The fact that they felt that white coaches and GM's were better qualified is their call.  Besides, I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asian or Latin GMs or coaches.
Who was the last Asian to play football? I really can't think of any.

I personally think that the best guy for the job will be hired period, but overall Asians don't have much of a say in this conversation.
You know the more I read your posts the more inclined I am to think your the racist here.

Your the one forming opinions and attitudes bases solely ones skin color, and your comment above about what Asians are and aren't entitled to is icing on the cake.

People of any color should be considered a job based on their aptitude for the task, and the relationship they can maintain with their employer. The color of their skin should never be a factor.

You should take a long look in the mirror...



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Posted: 1/19/2013 12:12 PM

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This thread should link to the Cognitive biases that make us do (And Say) dumb things thread.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 12:38 PM

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And the logical fallacies thread...

Maybe we should pin a post with both of them under "rules of engagement"?


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