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How is Broyles not a lock for this team?

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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:19 PM

How is Broyles not a lock for this team? 


This past week, articles about how Ryan Broyles is a tough call for the roster keep popping up in Detroit media.

Am I missing something here?  How in the world could they watch his play this preseason and NOT have him on the roster?  Do people seriously think Fuller/Ogletree add more to the team?

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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:31 PM

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Your first problem is listening to the media. Nothing but fluff pieces and headlines created to generate clicks.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:33 PM

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I would be shocked and disappointed if Broyles doesn't make the team.  He's a good player.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:59 PM

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Broyles is easily the 3rd best WR on the roster
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:01 PM

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Those reports probably came out before the games. Prior to that, all any media source would know is that Broyles was still recovering and didn't look healthy in practices (limping around and such).

I would still keep one extra receiver with the idea that Broyles is going to go down again.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:11 PM

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I will be shocked if someone doesn't start another Broyles thread today. I like him too but man.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:15 PM

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We all also get caught up using the games a our only source. Maybe he doesn't practice well? Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
Every single year, there's a couple guys who play great preseason, only to be one of the final cuts. Tristan davis, mat willis etc...
Sure, i think the games should matter the most. But I'm not watching every practice of every day.
For the record, I want Broyles to be our third. But I'll never be shocked when dominant 3rd stringers get cut.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:16 PM

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The media gets paid to talk. They don't get paid to say anything.

 

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:21 PM

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LyingFan wrote: I will be shocked if someone doesn't start another Broyles thread today. I like him too but man.

He is rapidly approaching Delmas in the level of being mythical in greatness.

He and Delmas are two of the greatest players to never play the game.... confused
#NONEpride

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:23 PM

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Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote:
LyingFan wrote: I will be shocked if someone doesn't start another Broyles thread today. I like him too but man.

He is rapidly approaching Delmas in the level of being mythical in greatness.

He and Delmas are two of the greatest players to never play the game.... confused
Delmas played 65 out of 80 games.  Get real.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:25 PM

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irishfury6 wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote:
LyingFan wrote: I will be shocked if someone doesn't start another Broyles thread today. I like him too but man.

He is rapidly approaching Delmas in the level of being mythical in greatness.

He and Delmas are two of the greatest players to never play the game.... confused
Delmas played 65 out of 80 games.  Get real.

Played in.

Usually not 100% and often didn't finish the game but he did play in them.

Nor was he anywhere near as great as people made him out to be.  The constant references to him being a Top 10 and even Top 5 Safety in the NFL were laughable.
#NONEpride

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:29 PM

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You need to check out the Shaun Hill thread to see discussion on the best that never played.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:38 PM

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humberto20 wrote: We all also get caught up using the games a our only source. Maybe he doesn't practice well? Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
Every single year, there's a couple guys who play great preseason, only to be one of the final cuts. Tristan davis, mat willis etc...
Sure, i think the games should matter the most. But I'm not watching every practice of every day.
For the record, I want Broyles to be our third. But I'll never be shocked when dominant 3rd stringers get cut.

Broyles is not going to get cut.  They have kept him around this long for a reason, and he has not shown anything this far to suggest that they won't keep him.  The one difference between him and the other guys you list is that he's a high pick with a top college pedigree.

 

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:40 PM

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SportyCliche wrote: You need to check out the Shaun Hill thread to see discussion on the best that never played.

surprised

True
#NONEpride

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:52 PM

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humberto20 wrote: We all also get caught up using the games a our only source. Maybe he doesn't practice well? Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
Every single year, there's a couple guys who play great preseason, only to be one of the final cuts. Tristan davis, mat willis etc...
Sure, i think the games should matter the most. But I'm not watching every practice of every day.
For the record, I want Broyles to be our third. But I'll never be shocked when dominant 3rd stringers get cut.

Broyles is not going to get cut.  They have kept him around this long for a reason, and he has not shown anything this far to suggest that they won't keep him.  The one difference between him and the other guys you list is that he's a high pick with a top college pedigree.

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I hope he doesn't. But what I was trying to say is: I won't be shocked if he's clipped.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:53 PM

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And he is receiving little to no snaps with the 1st team O for a reason. Broyles is making the decision very difficult, as he is playing well.. But to start camp he was on the outside looking in.. He is definitely still on the bubble.

He just started practicing with the 2s last week..


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humberto20 wrote: We all also get caught up using the games a our only source. Maybe he doesn't practice well? Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
Every single year, there's a couple guys who play great preseason, only to be one of the final cuts. Tristan davis, mat willis etc...
Sure, i think the games should matter the most. But I'm not watching every practice of every day.
For the record, I want Broyles to be our third. But I'll never be shocked when dominant 3rd stringers get cut.

Broyles is not going to get cut.  They have kept him around this long for a reason, and he has not shown anything this far to suggest that they won't keep him.  The one difference between him and the other guys you list is that he's a high pick with a top college pedigree.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:54 PM

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Ryan Broyles made several nice plays during these Preseason games .....'I' never liked him OR wanted him to BE a LION because I thought he just hadn't shown enough the last year or so....BUT as I already MENTIONED, even I can say he opened my eyes....more than once I outright said he's a lock for this roster by the effort and plays he made.

NOW, In 2014, I want Broyles to make the team...I feel that he's noticeably IMPROVED.....just like Pettigrew had a while ago.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:00 PM

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iggy14 wrote: And he is receiving little to no snaps with the 1st team O for a reason. Broyles is making the decision very difficult, as he is playing well.. But to start camp he was on the outside looking in.. He is definitely still on the bubble.

He just started practicing with the 2s last week..


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humberto20 wrote: We all also get caught up using the games a our only source. Maybe he doesn't practice well? Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
Every single year, there's a couple guys who play great preseason, only to be one of the final cuts. Tristan davis, mat willis etc...
Sure, i think the games should matter the most. But I'm not watching every practice of every day.
For the record, I want Broyles to be our third. But I'll never be shocked when dominant 3rd stringers get cut.

Broyles is not going to get cut.  They have kept him around this long for a reason, and he has not shown anything this far to suggest that they won't keep him.  The one difference between him and the other guys you list is that he's a high pick with a top college pedigree.

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I don't see how anyone can say he was on the bubble or started on the outside looking in.  Who else was or is ahead of him?  And let's not forget that he's NEVER had an issue with talent, he had injury issues and those are not on the table right now.

 

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Posted: 8/24/2014 6:01 PM

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I think the staff have done a nice job with Broyles this pre-season. Broyles is a guy with talent and health issues. SO...give his reps to other guys (Ogletree) to see what Ogletree can do with the opportunity.

If Broyles gets injured again at least you were already developing other guys at the position (Fuller, Ogletree and Durham) and there should be little to no bump. Well here we are, game four coming up and Broyles is playing pretty good ball right now. Earning his reps and moving chains.

There was one other development that bodes well for Broyles this week: TH Jones went on the PUP and not IR. Broyles brings a chain moving slot mentality to the offense. If Broyles gets injured...TJ Ford may be ready to step up if necessary.

Broyles didn't have to prove his ability too much, he has to prove his DURABILITY. And Lions fans who see the meaningless pre-season games see a WR in Broyles who is a real NFL talent. As long as he stays healthy he should have a place here. But the staff need to be ready for a plan if Broyles goes down again. Right now I see the Lions keeping Broyles with TJ Ford as a replacement level guy they like who maybe can move into that role as the season progresses.

I do not see what Ogletree has done to justify his spot. Further, Jeremy Ross opened as the #3 WR against the Jags, not Ogletree. Kevin had no catches versus the Jags, 1 nice 16 yard grab V. the Raiders (that led to the Durham TD), and a HUGE dropped pass that hit him in the head versus the Browns. All in Ogletree has 1 catch for 16 yards in three games.

That is not to say the Ogletree will not make the roster. BUT...I think it is fair that the WR position is WIDE open aftre the top two guys right now.

To me the Lions have a pretty good look at Jeremy Ross (depth WR, good returner, can makle plays with the ball in his hands), Ogletree (has speed and size but is incocsistent), Durham (experienced, rapport with Stafford), and Fuller (speed, size, raw).

I can easily see Broyles becoming the #3 WR with Ross as depth and Fuller as the emergency plan there...with Durham AND Fuller.

To me the best GROUP if WRs is Calvin, Tate, Broyles, Durham, Fuller and Jeremy Ross. TJ Ford can be re-evaluated in six-7 weeks and maybe Ogletree goes unclaimed and becomes an emergency player?
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Posted: 8/24/2014 6:10 PM

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MyLions wrote: I think the staff have done a nice job with Broyles this pre-season. Broyles is a guy with talent and health issues. SO...give his reps to other guys (Ogletree) to see what Ogletree can do with the opportunity.

If Broyles gets injured again at least you were already developing other guys at the position (Fuller, Ogletree and Durham) and there should be little to no bump. Well here we are, game four coming up and Broyles is playing pretty good ball right now. Earning his reps and moving chains.

There was one other development that bodes well for Broyles this week: TH Jones went on the PUP and not IR. Broyles brings a chain moving slot mentality to the offense. If Broyles gets injured...TJ Ford may be ready to step up if necessary.

Broyles didn't have to prove his ability too much, he has to prove his DURABILITY. And Lions fans who see the meaningless pre-season games see a WR in Broyles who is a real NFL talent. As long as he stays healthy he should have a place here. But the staff need to be ready for a plan if Broyles goes down again. Right now I see the Lions keeping Broyles with TJ Ford as a replacement level guy they like who maybe can move into that role as the season progresses.

I do not see what Ogletree has done to justify his spot. Further, Jeremy Ross opened as the #3 WR against the Jags, not Ogletree. Kevin had no catches versus the Jags, 1 nice 16 yard grab V. the Raiders (that led to the Durham TD), and a HUGE dropped pass that hit him in the head versus the Browns. All in Ogletree has 1 catch for 16 yards in three games.

That is not to say the Ogletree will not make the roster. BUT...I think it is fair that the WR position is WIDE open aftre the top two guys right now.

To me the Lions have a pretty good look at Jeremy Ross (depth WR, good returner, can makle plays with the ball in his hands), Ogletree (has speed and size but is incocsistent), Durham (experienced, rapport with Stafford), and Fuller (speed, size, raw).

I can easily see Broyles becoming the #3 WR with Ross as depth and Fuller as the emergency plan there...with Durham AND Fuller.

To me the best GROUP if WRs is Calvin, Tate, Broyles, Durham, Fuller and Jeremy Ross. TJ Ford can be re-evaluated in six-7 weeks and maybe Ogletree goes unclaimed and becomes an emergency player?
I've been wondering, along with others why it seems Broyles in on the bubble, so to speak. We don't know if he is or if he isn't. IMO, he has been the best WR so far this preseason... not just in terms of catches, but knowing the route, the schemes, when and how to sit, and most of all... yards after the catch. If he gets cut, IMO, it's because of injury history... and IMO, that is a turrible reason to cut a guy, unless it has a significant impact on his performance. That doesn't seem to be the case with Brian Royals (LOL VLG).

So... MyLions... this goes down as the best post I've seen on the WR situation; especially the last line of your post, in terms of predictions. In addition, I pretty much agree with everything you suggest. It's great that we've got solid depth there. But the depth - is, in large part - due to Brian Royals being a rehabbing, workout, scholar type of athlete... all the more reason to keep him on the roster.

Last edited 8/24/2014 6:11 PM by RickOShea

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