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Observations from the Game Last Night? Stock Up/Down?

Posted: 8/16/2014 8:42 AM

Observations from the Game Last Night? Stock Up/Down? 


A pretty good first half overall last night.  Matt looked pretty darn good, Bush and Bell did their thing, Ebron made a nice grab, Tate showed his value and so on.

Time to think Durham and Ogletree and in fact going to make this team I think.  CJ, Tate, Ogletree, Durham, Broyles (who had a VERY nice play last night), Fuller (who I think is really starting to get it now), and Jeremy Ross (who also made some nice grabs).  That is seven dudes...three locks and it is possible only 5 WRs spots are open (or 6 of course).  This is a HUGE battle and it is not over.  But Ogletree and Durham are in the drivers seat right now and Broyles is making a strong case for himself.  Tough stuff there.

Ashlee Palmer...just bad in coverage.  To me Kyle will earn that starting spot yet.  

CB...still a concern.  Mathis is going to be up an down all season I think.  And I can live with that.  I think Chris Greenwood is quietly making a push to be a depth CB and he is settling in to the spot.  

NIce 56 yard FG.  The starting OL looked pretty good.  Some depth players didn't fare too well overall.  

Other thoughts/observations on the game?
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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:02 AM

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I don't think Durham is a lock at all. Right now, he is pretty much just Calvin's preseason body double. The 4th or 5th WR slot should be someone that could perform better underneath the coverage or a true deep threat.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:19 AM

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That seems to be the job of the TE'S in this offense.
They some hard decisions at WR and RB. Something has to give.

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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:33 AM

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I think Broyles is solidifying a spot this preseason.  He has looked great- something I certainly did not expect.  We spent a 2nd rounder on him and he's starting to show his value...  I don't see us cutting him.

Ross is obviously in because of his return ability, as well as consistent play on offense.  The depth chart, in my opinion, should look like:

1. CJ
2. Tate
3.  Broyles
4. Ross
5. Durham
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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:41 AM

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First initial thought was I hope the refs aren't gonna be this anal about illegal contact downfield when the regular season rolls around (that call on Lawson especially was bogus). It's bad enough our secondary play is suspect to begin with. Our D is going to need all the hands to the face penalties generated by Suh & Co upfront they can get.. just to stay afloat.

a) a healthy Broyles can't be cut. This guy will land a job elsewhere faster than you can say Rob Ryan! 
b) good to see Stafford develop that comfort level with Tate already. Good showing by them both 
c) Nice to also see a little more blitzing & stunts
d) Jonte Green still shows a propensity to hold. He's just not cut out for the job

Overall it was a better showing by the 1st & 2nd units than last week and I hope they carry that momentum into next week.




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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:43 AM

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Just curious, which RB's does everyone think will stick? It looks like we are committed to using a FB, that eats a roster spot. I dont see how we keep more than 4, invluding FB. That would mean we let Riddick and Wynn walk?

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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:49 AM

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QB- all 3 QB's played weel, DanO and KM each had one bad pass 

RB- other than Riddicks long run after catch and LeShoure's tough first down the RB's did not show well

WR- l liked what I saw out of Broyles, Durham, Tate, and Peacock

TE- not many targets, Ebron and Thompson showed well, so far zero targets to Pettigrew in 2 games

Oline- not happy with the Oline's performance last night.

Dline- so-so performance. Webster should have been credited with a sack/fumble because I think he hit the ball before the arm went forward.

LB's- not happy with the LB's performance in either of the 2 games.

CB- (mathis, greenwood, ) made some plays, bad call on lawson, as good as green looked 2 years ago he does not look good now.

S's starters looked good and Osprey is a keeper.

K's 56 yarder by Freese answered my question about his leg strength.

Last edited 8/16/2014 9:50 AM by lionsfanstuckincheeseland

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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:55 AM

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You keep Durham or Broyles over Fuller?
Broyles is still eligible for the Practice Squad. Fuller wouldnt clear waivers, Broyles might.

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I think Broyles is solidifying a spot this preseason.  He has looked great- something I certainly did not expect.  We spent a 2nd rounder on him and he's starting to show his value...  I don't see us cutting him.

Ross is obviously in because of his return ability, as well as consistent play on offense.  The depth chart, in my opinion, should look like:

1. CJ
2. Tate
3.  Broyles
4. Ross
5. Durham

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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:59 AM

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I think Fairley is Gone, I'd be Shocked if they kept Jonte Green, So far- I've seen nothing out of Couplin.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:35 AM

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Stafford was great last night, Dan O was night and day better than game 1.

Winn is playing on 1st team special teams and made a couple of tackles.. Good sign for him.

WRs- Everyone chipped in, Ross, Broyles, Ebron, Tate, all had solid outings. Nice TD catch from Durham. I really think that it is an uphill climb for Broyles and I don't believe that he or Durham would find employment if released.

Fairley can be dealt at anytime.. We have the DT depth to be fine without him. He played awful and is a fat slob again. Send a message and deal him.

Tulloch, Mathis and George Johnson were the standouts on D for me.. Johnson could end up being productive for us this season IMO. Freese showed ton of leg on that 56 yard bomb.. Nice to see.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:35 AM

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No way would Broyles clear waivers. He has shown too much this offseason, he would be snatched up real quick.
notfishinsunday wrote:
You keep Durham or Broyles over Fuller?
Broyles is still eligible for the Practice Squad. Fuller wouldnt clear waivers, Broyles might.

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I think Broyles is solidifying a spot this preseason.  He has looked great- something I certainly did not expect.  We spent a 2nd rounder on him and he's starting to show his value...  I don't see us cutting him.

Ross is obviously in because of his return ability, as well as consistent play on offense.  The depth chart, in my opinion, should look like:

1. CJ
2. Tate
3.  Broyles
4. Ross
5. Durham

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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:43 AM

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I like Stafford. He's our qb... But his mechanics still looked eratic. Luckily, with his arm strength, he can get away with it.
DanO looked way better this week.
Winn has real special teams value. Does Leshoure?
Not sure if Broyles will make squad, but he sure looks good in every oppurtunity he gets.
Looks like my man Jonte isn't what I had hoped he was. But, Greenwood making the most out of oppurtunites!
Waddle didn't look so hot. Is th comp between he and Hilliard closer then we thought?
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:44 AM

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notfishinsunday wrote: Just curious, which RB's does everyone think will stick? It looks like we are committed to using a FB, that eats a roster spot. I dont see how we keep more than 4, invluding FB. That would mean we let Riddick and Wynn walk?
You see them keeping Leshoure over Riddick or Wynn? I don't really. Leshoure has done OK, but he is basically a lesser-man's Joique Bell, if such a thing exists. He can grind up yards and be a reasonably tough inside runner with a little bit of shiftiness (and he's improved in not dancing as much as he used to). But if Bell is going to alternate with Bush to show a different look, I don't know what Leshoure really gives us other than somebody who can spell Bell, playing the same role but without as much pop. 

I see Riddick and Winn both being more valuable, not least because they stand out on special teams as well. I'd like to keep both, but that's probably unlikely.


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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:51 AM

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notfishinsunday wrote: Just curious, which RB's does everyone think will stick? It looks like we are committed to using a FB, that eats a roster spot. I dont see how we keep more than 4, invluding FB. That would mean we let Riddick and Wynn walk?
Saints kept 5 RB plus a FB and 3 TE's and 5 WR's.  I think we go 4 plus FB, 3 TE and 6 WR's.

Bush
Bell
Riddick
Winn
Collins

Ebron
Grew
Fauria

CJ
Tate
Broyles
Ross
Tree
Fuller

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2013/8/31/4680656/nfl-roster-cuts-2013-saints-53-man-roster

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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:56 AM

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UP(depth players only): Fuller, Broyles, Greenwood, Webster, Couplin... each of these players continued upward from last week.

 

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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:58 AM

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last night Herman Moore said that the Lions won't carry 6WRs due to the addition of Ebron.

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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:04 AM

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if I go 5 I go Fuller over Durham and Ogletree, the other 4 are obvious... that said Fuller is still eligible for the PS so I can also see he and Peacock getting stashed on PS with Jones on IR or PUP for now.

 

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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:05 AM

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3RDRGR wrote:
notfishinsunday wrote: Just curious, which RB's does everyone think will stick? It looks like we are committed to using a FB, that eats a roster spot. I dont see how we keep more than 4, invluding FB. That would mean we let Riddick and Wynn walk?
Saints kept 5 RB plus a FB and 3 TE's and 5 WR's.  I think we go 4 plus FB, 3 TE and 6 WR's.

Bush
Bell
Riddick
Winn
Collins

Ebron
Grew
Fauria

CJ
Tate
Broyles
Ross
Tree
Fuller

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2013/8/31/4680656/nfl-roster-cuts-2013-saints-53-man-roster
You think they keep both Ogletree and Fuller over Durham? If we keep 6 WRs, I think Durham slips in there over one of them. 6-6 versus 6-1/6-2. Can't teach height and length. 

Tate and Broyles are both 5-10. One more smaller/quicker receiver behind them is plenty. I think it's too tempting to imagine red-zone options when you can throw out CJ (6-5), Durham (6-6), Fauria (6-7), Ebron (6-4)--mixed up with another quick receiver or back. Ha! Yeah, go ahead and defend that.


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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:07 AM

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Honestly its nice to watch some of the young guys get out there and compete but all I care about is #9. 
This team will go as he goes and a good-great year from #9 will help cover up a lot of our deficiencies. Thats what good QB play does. 
Look at New England, Green Bay with Rodgers or the Colts with Manning. Good QB helps overcome deficiencies everywhere. Not that Stafford is on that level but if we get back to 2011 #9 then I think we are gonna be a playoff team.

So for me, last night was a success. He looked comfortable. He showed some touch. Didn't see any glaring mechanical deficiencies. I was kinda tired when I watched but I plan on rewatching.

As Stafford goes, this team will go. So I am hoping he truly turns that corner under Caldwell and Co.

I believe it was my boy Mongoose who said he went to training camp and noticed Stafford was working very hard on his fundamentals. Let us hope so. I am confident our coaches and our added weapons will put him in a place to succeed. The rest has to come from him. 

After last night, I am feeling a little more optimistic even if it is only preseason.

Are we ever gonna win it??

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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:14 AM

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Flanker - 1a) CJ, 1b) Durham
SE - 1a) Tate, 1b) Ogletree
Slot - Broyles, Ross (WR/KR)




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