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The guy no one has been talking about....Van Noy

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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:00 PM

The guy no one has been talking about....Van Noy 


What did you guys think of his first game?

How come no one is talking about him?

Is he going to start come the regular season?

How has he been doing in practices?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:16 PM

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He needs to get stronger.


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What did you guys think of his first game?

How come no one is talking about him?

Is he going to start come the regular season?

How has he been doing in practices?

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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:27 PM

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Needs to make an adjustment to the pro game still. Left his feet a couple of times going for sweep tackles from a distance that worked for him against slower guys in college, and whiffed. Needs to understand closing distance a little better when going for a tackle in the NFL.

Watched him in practice. Saw flashes, but didn't see a starter yet. Poster above says he needs to get stronger, and I agree. But that isn't how he is going to win in this league. He is going to win with his quickness and instincts at the end of the day. He isn't going to win by taking blocks on, and getting underneath them because he just isn't strong enough for that.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:35 PM

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scottallen222 wrote: What did you guys think of his first game?

How come no one is talking about him?

Is he going to start come the regular season?

How has he been doing in practices?

He's no Kellen Moore thats for sure!
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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:36 PM

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He needs to learn zone, like most rookies he will be learning zone coverage press and man to man his first 3 years.
Now if this was the Steelers it would take him almost 5 yrs to become a starter under LeBeaus system..
Here he is a starter and you saw him in coverage and it didnt look so good. Give him 3 yrs and he will be a good linebacker for the Lions.
Zone is learning instinct, not learned overnight. JasonWorilds took forever to become a starter. Now he has them by the gonads.$$

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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:50 PM

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mongoose wrote: Needs to make an adjustment to the pro game still. Left his feet a couple of times going for sweep tackles from a distance that worked for him against slower guys in college, and whiffed. Needs to understand closing distance a little better when going for a tackle in the NFL.

Watched him in practice. Saw flashes, but didn't see a starter yet. Poster above says he needs to get stronger, and I agree. But that isn't how he is going to win in this league. He is going to win with his quickness and instincts at the end of the day. He isn't going to win by taking blocks on, and getting underneath them because he just isn't strong enough for that.

Well said Mongoose, all of it. The only thing I'll add is that I'd like to see them start to utilize his pass rush skills from the strong side of edge 'cuz he does possess a good inside swim move as well as an Up & Under inside counter. Even if that means inside blitzing. I hope at some point in the near future we get to see a glimpse of this.

But other then that, yeah, for the vanilla D we saw in the 1st game.. I was a bit underwhelmed with his 1st showing.




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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:57 PM

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Ziggy is behind in zone and he needs to learn zone if they use him as 34LEO
So where is our 300#LDE? Nick Fairley.... lost weight and also lost his stamina along with it.
Not a good move by the Lions trainers. Now he is in the doghouse. Lacks Stamina and intestinal fortitude
due to the wrong training methods.. Suh up in his ear like usual..... But Suh plays 3Tech duh..... easier job.
So we got Fairley walkin around dazed and confused..... only a few weeks away from the opener.
And a rook tryin to learn zone on the fly......LOLB. And Suh wants more money and to get paid.......or he splits to FA
I think they shelve the Hybrid scheme and run 43base until next year, just too lightweight for now. Get run over big yardage...

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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:20 PM

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Fairley never had any stamina :D

Not sure why losing weight would hurt his stamina anyhow? Quite the opposite you'd think.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:34 PM

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1mathis wrote: He needs to learn zone, like most rookies he will be learning zone coverage press and man to man his first 3 years.
Now if this was the Steelers it would take him almost 5 yrs to become a starter under LeBeaus system..
Here he is a starter and you saw him in coverage and it didnt look so good. Give him 3 yrs and he will be a good linebacker for the Lions.
Zone is learning instinct, not learned overnight. JasonWorilds took forever to become a starter. Now he has them by the gonads.$$

You can't be serious about this!  If someone takes 5 years to develop they aren't gonna be on a team very long!  And I would imagine any staff that takes so long to develop player wouldn't last either ohlord

Yes...its a 40oz original!
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:41 PM

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Maybe Fairley needs to eat ice cream instead of candy bars.....
For Fairley it has worked the opposite apparently , I for one am stronger with more weight but Im not 300# either.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:43 PM

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Sadly, I have to read things posted by people I have on ignore if I'm not signed in. I'll remember to not make that mistake again.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:57 PM

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    Hopefully the Lions draft picks didnt drink too much of the stuff as kids.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:09 PM

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rugbylion wrote:
1mathis wrote: He needs to learn zone, like most rookies he will be learning zone coverage press and man to man his first 3 years.
Now if this was the Steelers it would take him almost 5 yrs to become a starter under LeBeaus system..
Here he is a starter and you saw him in coverage and it didnt look so good. Give him 3 yrs and he will be a good linebacker for the Lions.
Zone is learning instinct, not learned overnight. JasonWorilds took forever to become a starter. Now he has them by the gonads.$$

You can't be serious about this!  If someone takes 5 years to develop they aren't gonna be on a team very long!  And I would imagine any staff that takes so long to develop player wouldn't last either ohlord
I'm not joking.....  Worilds got the nod over jarvis Jones then woodley got injured so he went to the left side and all the sacks happened.
Worilds can only rush from the left and was barely starting over JarvisJones at ROLB. Look how long it took Cam Heyward to start.
James Harrison went FA so they needed worilds to step up, Worilds could not beat out either woodley or Harrison.
Steelers wanted Harrison to take a paycut and he refused. he got cut. Salarycap casualty. Woodley reinjures the hammy refuses to cut his pay and got cut also a year later.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:11 PM

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These preseason threads are bizarre
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:14 PM

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Oh great, a thread about Van Noy suddenly turns into candy bars, Coca-Cola & Gatorade...

kewl.




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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:17 PM

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LionsSlashWings wrote:

Oh great, a thread about Van Noy suddenly turns into candy bars, Coca-Cola & Gatorade...

kewl.

were talking about linebackers and how they seem to fit in the overall scheme as it applies to the Lions defensive front 4
Ziggy missed alot of practice so he didnt pickup any zone skills to play 34LEO
VanNoy is a rook with minimal zone skills and u have Fairly struggling
A speed rusher at LDE not a 300#LDE like most Hybrid multifront schemes run,  nor a 330#NT

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:19 PM

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It's gotta take most rookies a year to acclimate to the NFL, and maybe a year or two after that to get comfortable mentally with all the nuances and techniques they have to use.   Didn't it take Levy a few years to develop into the player he is today?   I mean they gotta read and react pretty fast or they're out of position, and that times to master that skill.   So it's kinda hard to expect a rookie to do everything right in his 1st year, and Van Noy is no different.   I don't think he played great, but not that bad either.   The trick is to learn from his mistakes and those of his teammates and stay healthy.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:24 PM

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Why is a Steeler's fan making much of our forum unreadable?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:24 PM

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Wiseacres wrote: It's gotta take most rookies a year to acclimate to the NFL, and maybe a year or two after that to get comfortable mentally with all the nuances and techniques they have to use.   Didn't it take Levy a few years to develop into the player he is today?   I mean they gotta read and react pretty fast or they're out of position, and that times to master that skill.   So it's kinda hard to expect a rookie to do everything right in his 1st year, and Van Noy is no different.   I don't think he played great, but not that bad either.   The trick is to learn from his mistakes and those of his teammates and stay healthy.
Read and react is zone skills, u saw VanNoy in coverage it wasnt pretty. He is lucky to be in this scheme and not in Pittsburgh
He'd be a backup in the Burgh. Shazier is only starting because he is the lesser of two evils. Vince Williams the other.
When larry Foote went down so did the Steelers signal caller. If Tulloch goes down who calls the signals for the defense, Mongoose?

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:26 PM

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Yeah I know. Weird that we would discuss how guys did in game action on a football board where you talk about football...
edjames01 wrote: These preseason threads are bizarre
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