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Kris Durham not likely to make final roster..

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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:11 PM

Kris Durham not likely to make final roster.. 


What most of us already new ( or at least hoped). Hope this is a sign that our WR corp is up to NFL level now and not the joke it was last year.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:27 PM

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Durham is not a WR2 or WR3, not many would argue that. But as a WR5 or 6, that's a different story. Cuz then you're looking for somebody who excels on ST as both a blocker and a coverage guy. We know that Johnson and Tate are locks, and that Ross is our return guy and will play some as a WR. So there could be 3 slots left, maybe 2 for a bunch of guys to fight for. My personal opinion is that the team will look for guys that can play in the slot or outside, but also on Special Teams. And they gotta be good at run blocking, as the Lions are expected to run the ball more often.

I think the decisions for who makes the team as a WR is pretty much open and will be decided in the PS games. Dunno whether the Lions have already decided not to keep Durham or not, I don't know what they think of him compared to his competition in all the areas I mentioned. My guess is that it's too soon to be making any projections. Agree that he sucks as a WR2, not so sure about a WR5 or 6.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:31 PM

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With Tate's acquisition, Broyles coming off IR, Ogletree an off season to adjust, I figured he'd (Durham) would have to pull a rabbit out of his rectum to make the roster.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:37 PM

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Wiseacres wrote: Durham is not a WR2 or WR3, not many would argue that. But as a WR5 or 6, that's a different story. Cuz then you're looking for somebody who excels on ST as both a blocker and a coverage guy. We know that Johnson and Tate are locks, and that Ross is our return guy and will play some as a WR. So there could be 3 slots left, maybe 2 for a bunch of guys to fight for. My personal opinion is that the team will look for guys that can play in the slot or outside, but also on Special Teams. And they gotta be good at run blocking, as the Lions are expected to run the ball more often.

I think the decisions for who makes the team as a WR is pretty much open and will be decided in the PS games. Dunno whether the Lions have already decided not to keep Durham or not, I don't know what they think of him compared to his competition in all the areas I mentioned. My guess is that it's too soon to be making any projections. Agree that he sucks as a WR2, not so sure about a WR5 or 6.
pretty much agree with this.   it's still an open race.  that's a good thing.

i will say this though.  fuller and ogletree both have good size and pretty damn good speed.   it sounds like fuller has made the best of his development year and ogletree as well.  both having good camps so far.  having a new staff to evaluate with fresh perspective helps too.   i'm actually looking for one of these guys to surprise a lot of people this year.  not like miles austin did when he came out of nowhere and to that extent, but i think both are going to wind up having really good years.  if that actually happens, the lions are going to be crushing people week in and week out.

durham is a redwood.  he's got a year of relevant experience in this system and some rapport with stafford.  don't count him out yet.  but i think these other guys might give us more consistent #3 type output.  

i also think ross could be #2 / #3 type output in the slot right now.  but b/c he's so important to special teams, his role may be somewhat limited.  in our offense, i think he could be big in the slot though.

we''ll see how it all plays out

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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:56 PM

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I just hate that Durham was forced to play so far above his pay grade. Kris Durham is a perfectly acceptable 5th receiver worth developing. Within a few short weeks, our developmental 5th receiver was our starting #2, and in one game was our #1 receiver. This was because Patrick Edwards failed, Nate Burleson had a freak accident, and Ryan Broyles does what he always does...get injured.

Personally, I would move on from Broyles, but I understand the talent level could reward the patience.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 7:05 PM

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Agree with others that Durham is a 5-6 WR. The question is, what are his chances of ever getting into the top 3. The league is full of plug-ins like Ogletree who can be picked up whenever to address an immediate unexpected need. You need to fill those 5 and 5 WR spots with guys who have upside. Not sure Durham qualifies.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 7:18 PM

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Trizz,

Durham is a 6-6 receiver who runs a 4.4. There are definite negatives we need to work out of his game, but I would say that qualifies as "upside."
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Posted: 8/3/2014 7:20 PM

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Calvin  Tate    Ross   are 3 locks

I'd bet money TJ Jones is on the practice squad


That leaves     Corey Fuller,   Kevin Ogletree, Kris Durham,  and Ryan Broyles  fighting for 2 spots maybe 3.


My 2 favorites are   Corey Fuller & Kevin Ogletree.    

I think we need the decoy deep route  Meachem/Titus Young guys,   hopefully FULLER can turn into Ryan Broyle's college teammate Kenny Stills for us.

Ogletree is a solid pass catching chain mover.


If we keep 6 I'm sure Broyles will beat out Durham get injured and then we spead dial DURHAM after a couple months into the season

1)Dennard CB trade w/NYG
2)Martin DE
3)Buchanon  S
4)Swanson OL
4b)Bryant WR
4c)Van Noy  LB
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Posted: 8/3/2014 7:42 PM

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wesleysh21 wrote: I just hate that Durham was forced to play so far above his pay grade. Kris Durham is a perfectly acceptable 5th receiver worth developing. Within a few short weeks, our developmental 5th receiver was our starting #2, and in one game was our #1 receiver. This was because Patrick Edwards failed, Nate Burleson had a freak accident, and Ryan Broyles does what he always does...get injured.

Personally, I would move on from Broyles, but I understand the talent level could reward the patience.
Broyles has had a rough start to his career, but moving on from a WR of his caliber for someone as below average as Durham would be moronic. You can find Durhams at any point during the year and plug them in if needed, and hopefully they aren't. Broyles is a very special player and if (I know big if) he can stay healthy he can help put or WR corp over the edge. I look at him and Slay in the same way. If they can both be healthy and fullfill their promise, then we will take that step forward and have a real chance to contend this year. Can you even pretend to say that about Durham? No way, that's why you keep Broyles over Durham.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:07 PM

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Read on rotoworld that Riddick is taking snaps at slot wr. Could this mean one more rb, and one less wr on the 53?
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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:07 PM

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Certainly not the alpha and omega, but food for thought:

www.canalstreetchronicles.com/...s-53-man-roster

The Saints kept 5 WR's last year 5 RB's + a FB and 3 TE's. Now they did have like 5,000 LB's so perhaps we'd keep 6. We'll probably also only go with 4 RB's and leave Miller on the PS, with Bush/Bell/Riddick/LeShoure. Here is my top 5 plus one.

CJ
Tate
Ross
Ogletree
Broyles

Then the question is, who is more likely to not be plucked off our PS? Fuller or Jones? I think Fuller is less of a known commodity, but maybe they stash Jones on IR. Durham is out IMO.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:30 PM

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I'm not even sure we keep 5 WRs, after all the selling point that made taking Ebron okay was that he was supposed to play WR3 right?
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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:44 PM

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Counting on Broyles' durability would be even more moronic.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:51 PM

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Nobody is counting on Broyles being healthy, but if he lasted the season I wouldn't be completely shocked either. Players can come back from injury and have good careers, just look at Stafford. I remember everyone talking about how he was made of glass and he's been pretty healthy after missing most of the first two years to injury.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:53 PM

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The slim chance of Broyles being healthy and lasting a year  >  Durham for sure being healthy and lasting a full year.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 9:54 PM

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One of the basic assumptions of this article is that Broyles is healthy.

I don't know why anybody would make that a basic assumption.

He could be hurt before the first game.

wesleysh21 wrote: I just hate that Durham was forced to play so far above his pay grade. Kris Durham is a perfectly acceptable 5th receiver worth developing. Within a few short weeks, our developmental 5th receiver was our starting #2, and in one game was our #1 receiver. This was because Patrick Edwards failed, Nate Burleson had a freak accident, and Ryan Broyles does what he always does...get injured.

Personally, I would move on from Broyles, but I understand the talent level could reward the patience.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 10:38 PM

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nflions20,

I wouldn't "keep Durham over Broyles." My Broyles move, would be independent of exactly who fills his spot. If you draft an injured player, and he proceeds to get injured the following two seasons for your team...it's time to re-evaluate and make the strong possibility of injury a consideration. For me, we have enough talent to move on. I've said it before, I would not put Broyles in as our 3rd WR on the roster. Every roster move would be with the idea that Broyles is the last WR on the roster. You can't trust him for anything else. People give Brady credit for working with young receivers all year long, and all of the headaches that comes with it. Thanks to guys like Broyles, Stafford had to work with young receivers that were not even on the roster when the season began.

As far as Broyles talent level, let's not make him a world beater when he's not. This was a 2nd to 3rd round receiver at best when he was healthy, and we took him at the high side of where he should have went despite being hurt. Trying to justify anything more is like Vikings fans trying to justify that Christian Ponder was a 1st round talent and not the 2nd to 3rd round guy at best that he was.

If they decide to keep Broyles, I certainly hope they choose to carry an extra receiver. To gamble on Broyles AND go thin at WR would be a huge mistake.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 10:58 PM

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wesleysh21 wrote: nflions20,

I wouldn't "keep Durham over Broyles." My Broyles move, would be independent of exactly who fills his spot. If you draft an injured player, and he proceeds to get injured the following two seasons for your team...it's time to re-evaluate and make the strong possibility of injury a consideration. For me, we have enough talent to move on. I've said it before, I would not put Broyles in as our 3rd WR on the roster. Every roster move would be with the idea that Broyles is the last WR on the roster. You can't trust him for anything else.  I agree completely with this. Broyles should not be counted on to start. His injuries the last two years have taken that right from him. People give Brady credit for working with young receivers all year long, and all of the headaches that comes with it. Thanks to guys like Broyles, Stafford had to work with young receivers that were not even on the roster when the season began.

As far as Broyles talent level, let's not make him a world beater when he's not. This was a 2nd to 3rd round receiver at best when he was healthy, and we took him at the high side of where he should have went despite being hurt. Broyles had a first round grade on him before he was inured, so no he was not a 2nd and definitely not a 3rd round rated  pick.Trying to justify anything more is like Vikings fans trying to justify that Christian Ponder was a 1st round talent and not the 2nd to 3rd round guy at best that he was.

If they decide to keep Broyles, I certainly hope they choose to carry an extra receiver. To gamble on Broyles AND go thin at WR would be a huge mistake.   Again I agree. They should have better depth at WR and should have had it last year. No one is making the argument that we should count on Broyles. My point is only that a chance of a healthy Broyles is better than Durham. Anyone can replace Durham and we would be fine. If Broyles were to stay healthy, as the all time NCAA reception leader,  he could be a huge gain for this offense. I for one am rooting for him as it would help this team.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:02 PM

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He did ok last year and was a pleasant surprise. I saw little upside though. If he wins the 5 and the Lions feel otherwise, I won't be shocked.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:13 PM

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Durham basically has to win the 4th WR, I can play the outside spot to make the team. I don't think he is a lock to make the roster, but after Megatron and Tate I don't know who does. We have a bunch of slot type WRs. It looks like TJ Jones will be IRed this year as a stash.

The biggest thing is that both Ebron and Riddick are going to bite into a slot WRs snaps. I honestly think we keep only 4 WRs. Maybe 5...but 4 would not shock me at all.
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