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Jim Caldwell not concerned about rookie Eric Ebron's drops

Posted: 7/30/2014 3:43 PM

Jim Caldwell not concerned about rookie Eric Ebron's drops 


http://www.freep.com/article/20140730/SPORTS01/307 300097/detroit-lions-jim-caldwell-eric-ebron-drops

"The biggest knock on Detroit Lions tight end Eric Ebron through off-season workouts and the first two days of training camp has been an inordinate number of dropped passes that have negated his big-play ability."

More at the link. Dunno this forum's rules on posting articles.


Lol @ Caldwell already making excuses for Ebron. He's continuing Schwartz's legacy of not holding players accountable.

*awaits more excuses in this thread, even though we've already sat through six seasons of this crap with Pettibust and drops were a big problem for Ebron in college*
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:07 PM

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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:12 PM

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I don't care if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time or don't know what you're doing, eventually you will learn those things. But it's your job to catch the freakin' football, do it or you're gone and I don't care if you are a first round pick or an UDFA. THAT's the message that needs to be sent.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:18 PM

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Posting an article, inferring too much from said article, and preemptively aiming condescension towards anyone who might disagree with that inference seems like an uphill message board approach.

Eric Ebron needs to consistently maintain concentration.  Bigger concerns for head coaches at this point in the offseason are making sure the installation of the packages goes smoothly and people are in the right place at the right time using the right terminology. 

When learning a new offense, players have a lot going on in their head, and are typically focusing on those things.  This is the same reason why we heard about how many drops CJ and Tate had in OTAs, and its why NFL teams use the number of repitions they do- so route trees and such can be second nature, and players can worry about things like catching the ball.

It seems like this is an effort to knock a pick which you presumably didn't like, while simultaneously knocking a coaching selection you didn't like, before the rookie has played a snap or the coach has coached a game.  Caldwell may be a doormat coach and Ebron a drops machine, but condemning either at this point seems premature.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:36 PM

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gqkings21 wrote: Posting an article, inferring too much from said article, and preemptively aiming condescension towards anyone who might disagree with that inference seems like an uphill message board approach.

Eric Ebron needs to consistently maintain concentration.  Bigger concerns for head coaches at this point in the offseason are making sure the installation of the packages goes smoothly and people are in the right place at the right time using the right terminology. 

When learning a new offense, players have a lot going on in their head, and are typically focusing on those things.  This is the same reason why we heard about how many drops CJ and Tate had in OTAs, and its why NFL teams use the number of repitions they do- so route trees and such can be second nature, and players can worry about things like catching the ball.

It seems like this is an effort to knock a pick which you presumably didn't like, while simultaneously knocking a coaching selection you didn't like, before the rookie has played a snap or the coach has coached a game.  Caldwell may be a doormat coach and Ebron a drops machine, but condemning either at this point seems premature.
I guess it's abhorrent behavior on my part to be concerned about what's already taking place...seeing as how it's all we've been accustomed to over the years and that hasn't worked out yet. Silly me for not accepting the norm.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 5:09 PM

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RegularP wrote:
gqkings21 wrote: Posting an article, inferring too much from said article, and preemptively aiming condescension towards anyone who might disagree with that inference seems like an uphill message board approach.

Eric Ebron needs to consistently maintain concentration.  Bigger concerns for head coaches at this point in the offseason are making sure the installation of the packages goes smoothly and people are in the right place at the right time using the right terminology. 

When learning a new offense, players have a lot going on in their head, and are typically focusing on those things.  This is the same reason why we heard about how many drops CJ and Tate had in OTAs, and its why NFL teams use the number of repitions they do- so route trees and such can be second nature, and players can worry about things like catching the ball.

It seems like this is an effort to knock a pick which you presumably didn't like, while simultaneously knocking a coaching selection you didn't like, before the rookie has played a snap or the coach has coached a game.  Caldwell may be a doormat coach and Ebron a drops machine, but condemning either at this point seems premature.
I guess it's abhorrent behavior on my part to be concerned about what's already taking place...seeing as how it's all we've been accustomed to over the years and that hasn't worked out yet. Silly me for not accepting the norm.

You are absolutely right my friend...
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Posted: 7/30/2014 5:22 PM

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RegularP wrote:
gqkings21 wrote: Posting an article, inferring too much from said article, and preemptively aiming condescension towards anyone who might disagree with that inference seems like an uphill message board approach.

Eric Ebron needs to consistently maintain concentration.  Bigger concerns for head coaches at this point in the offseason are making sure the installation of the packages goes smoothly and people are in the right place at the right time using the right terminology. 

When learning a new offense, players have a lot going on in their head, and are typically focusing on those things.  This is the same reason why we heard about how many drops CJ and Tate had in OTAs, and its why NFL teams use the number of repitions they do- so route trees and such can be second nature, and players can worry about things like catching the ball.

It seems like this is an effort to knock a pick which you presumably didn't like, while simultaneously knocking a coaching selection you didn't like, before the rookie has played a snap or the coach has coached a game.  Caldwell may be a doormat coach and Ebron a drops machine, but condemning either at this point seems premature.
I guess it's abhorrent behavior on my part to be concerned about what's already taking place...seeing as how it's all we've been accustomed to over the years and that hasn't worked out yet. Silly me for not accepting the norm.
Not one place in that article did Caldwell at any point say it was fine.  That was inferred by the author.  Caldwell described that Ebron had a lot of responsibilities to learn, which is indisputable, and that's it.

The closest thing he said to making excuses for Ebron was "it's not easy for him"  and "I think you'll see that he will continue to improve."

So no, it's not already taking place, and what Caldwell says to the media and the actual accountability that he brings inside the locker room don't have much to do with each other anyways.

I don't understand what norm you are not accepting at this point, but you clearly have an issue with how the Lions have been run (which is totally understandable) and use that slant on your assessment of the article. 

"He's a rookie, he's learning a lot, he has a lot more to learn, and he will continue to work to improve" is the entire gist of the quotes, and you can't infer any more than that.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:07 PM

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Weren't there some who thought Caldwell would bring instant accountability and ultimately bench players who don't perform?

To them (I'm not one, actually) this has to be daming.
"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:14 PM

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I think it was an issue in college, so it's very possible that it is an issue that will continue to plague him in the NFL. BUT what are you going to do at this point? Bench a #10OA pick during training camp because he's not catching every ball?? You've got to get this kid a ton of reps right now to prepare him to be the key piece of the offense that he was picked to be. Now if he becomes a liability during the season, then I think it's fair to question how often you want to throw to him. But at this point, people are just dying for storylines and this is one of them.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:27 PM

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To be fair, Eric Ebron's Scouting Report:

Nov 1st, 2013:


"I don't know if there's another prospect in this draft, regardless of position, with this much supreme athleticism and yet at the same time...can frustrate you with the littlest fundamental mistakes. A spectacular catch one minute, a drop the next. A great catch over 2 defenders another minute, a drop in traffic the next. This was true of Ebron especially last year. And while this year he has settled that down a bit?..it still shows up from time to time.


It really is frustrating because, well frankly, he's got tremendous upside. 6'4”,245 lbs, a fluid athlete with good speed, great agility, good body control, and he's a match-up nightmare capable of stretching the field vertically. He also possesses the ability to run after the catch extremely well for a TE, and he's difficult to bring down". - me biggrin

cont'd..

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=12239941




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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:43 PM

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I was going to ask if that's what his knock in college was but LSW beat me to it.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:48 PM

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VinceLombardisGhost wrote: Weren't there some who thought Caldwell would bring instant accountability and ultimately bench players who don't perform?

To them (I'm not one, actually) this has to be daming.
What does benching someone for dropping some passes do?  Is he going to learn to catch better from the bench?

Ebron is going to piss off fans no matter what.  His first drop is going to send those fans to a frenzy regardless.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:06 PM

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You're preaching to the choir.

You and I come from the same school of "you never bench your best players. Unless a better option exists behind".

You're correct about the reaction too.
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VinceLombardisGhost wrote: Weren't there some who thought Caldwell would bring instant accountability and ultimately bench players who don't perform?

To them (I'm not one, actually) this has to be daming.
What does benching someone for dropping some passes do?  Is he going to learn to catch better from the bench?

Ebron is going to piss off fans no matter what.  His first drop is going to send those fans to a frenzy regardless.

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"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:12 PM

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PettiDrop 2.0
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:23 PM

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EricALionsFan wrote: PettiDrop 2.0
Whoa there. He may be able to drop passes like Grew but running like you're in quicksand, turning into Gumby when touched, and gifting the ball to the defense in the worst possible situations takes years of hard work to accomplish. Let's wait till he hits the field in a real game before we start saddling him with such lofty comparisons.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:23 PM

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SportyCliche wrote:
VinceLombardisGhost wrote: Weren't there some who thought Caldwell would bring instant accountability and ultimately bench players who don't perform?

To them (I'm not one, actually) this has to be daming.
What does benching someone for dropping some passes do?  Is he going to learn to catch better from the bench?

Ebron is going to piss off fans no matter what.  His first drop is going to send those fans to a frenzy regardless.
I would say that benching somebody is probably a last resort, there are other tools at a HC's disposal.   Such as going to your playing captains and leaders and getting them to apply some peer pressure on individuals for a lack of focus and execution.   They did this somewhat last year, with the players running extra laps or whatever in practice during the week between games.   Or having them fine guys who have made too many mistakes that cost the team wins.  

But if nothing else works, then I think you gotta start benching people.   Not your superstars, nobody said the NFL is fair, cuz it ain't.   Nor are we talking about the first time or two somebody screws up.   But there's gotta be some price to pay that is enough to get the players attention, and it's gotta hurt a little bit in someway.   Nobody cares about a chicken crap fine, but if you have to sit out the first quarter of the next game, that'll perhaps accentuate the need to do your job more consistently.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:51 PM

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BSLIONS wrote:
EricALionsFan wrote: PettiDrop 2.0
Whoa there. He may be able to drop passes like Grew but running like you're in quicksand, turning into Gumby when touched, and gifting the ball to the defense in the worst possible situations takes years of hard work to accomplish. Let's wait till he hits the field in a real game before we start saddling him with such lofty comparisons.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:45 PM

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LionsSlashWings wrote: To be fair, Eric Ebron's Scouting Report:

Nov 1st, 2013:


"I don't know if there's another prospect in this draft, regardless of position, with this much supreme athleticism and yet at the same time...can frustrate you with the littlest fundamental mistakes. A spectacular catch one minute, a drop the next. A great catch over 2 defenders another minute, a drop in traffic the next. This was true of Ebron especially last year. And while this year he has settled that down a bit?..it still shows up from time to time.


It really is frustrating because, well frankly, he's got tremendous upside. 6'4”,245 lbs, a fluid athlete with good speed, great agility, good body control, and he's a match-up nightmare capable of stretching the field vertically. He also possesses the ability to run after the catch extremely well for a TE, and he's difficult to bring down". - me biggrin

cont'd..

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=12239941


Yeah, when reports of college drops surfaced before the draft, I was scared off Ebron.
When we drafted him I elected to let it play out.
I hope that they figure out how to eliminate that element of Ebron.
I'm concerned by the training camp reports but will not leap to the dark side.

The concept of benching a player in training camp (or in preseason games) is of course goofy.
I hope this doesn't become the theme of the board because the coach needs to hold everyone that makes a mistake accountable -- every team has players making mistakes on every play -- or games would end 0-0.  biggrin
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:53 PM

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sleats wrote:
LionsSlashWings wrote: To be fair, Eric Ebron's Scouting Report:

Nov 1st, 2013:


"I don't know if there's another prospect in this draft, regardless of position, with this much supreme athleticism and yet at the same time...can frustrate you with the littlest fundamental mistakes. A spectacular catch one minute, a drop the next. A great catch over 2 defenders another minute, a drop in traffic the next. This was true of Ebron especially last year. And while this year he has settled that down a bit?..it still shows up from time to time.


It really is frustrating because, well frankly, he's got tremendous upside. 6'4”,245 lbs, a fluid athlete with good speed, great agility, good body control, and he's a match-up nightmare capable of stretching the field vertically. He also possesses the ability to run after the catch extremely well for a TE, and he's difficult to bring down". - me biggrin

cont'd..

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=12239941


Yeah, when reports of college drops surfaced before the draft, I was scared off Ebron.
When we drafted him I elected to let it play out.
I hope that they figure out how to eliminate that element of Ebron.
I'm concerned by the training camp reports but will not leap to the dark side.

The concept of benching a player in training camp (or in preseason games) is of course goofy.
I hope this doesn't become the theme of the board because the coach needs to hold everyone that makes a mistake accountable -- every team has players making mistakes on every play -- or games would end 0-0.  biggrin
LOL. Brother! I am losing my humorous touch! tongue

I think the joke was missed.....

It was suggested that Caldwell was going to come in and start benching guys when they "don't perform". Caldwell's reaction was "I'm not concerned". That's a far cry from even Schwartz who, essentially, threw Bentley under the bus after the first quarter of the first preseason game...from a lower draft pick.

What I was/am saying is: Caldwell isn't going to start sitting players. I absolutely agree the concept is goofy. However, it was in reference to others who have said it many, many moons ago.

Hope that clears it up....I would be floored if we sat Ebron at ANY point this year for any reason. He was a top 10 pick. Has to be played as much as possible. Period.
"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:59 PM

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Certainly didn't direct sitting stuff at you -- clear you think it makes no sense.

Honestly, I did not see a quote FROM CALDWELL, saying he would bench players.
People read into things and make stuff up.
If Caldwell said this I'd like to see a linked quote.  I would be shocked if any coach in the NFL said they'd bench players to hold them accountable.  That's all fan made up BS,
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