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Here's to the Lions winning the super bowl.

Posted: 7/29/2014 9:50 AM

Here's to the Lions winning the super bowl. 




I'm tired of reading about how much Suh "want's to be here".   rolleyes



Caldwell (and the fans) are the ones getting screwed here.  Yes, Lewand and Mayhew enabled him.  Doesn't change what is happening.

Suh has already made more money than any other DT did in their first 4 years.   Now, something tells me had the largest contract for a DT in the league sitting on front of him, and he told the Lions to go F themselves.

If he signed a contract, it would have made him the top paid DT, given him security, and given Caldwell a better chance at a winning team.  You have to ask yourself why he is not interested in this.

He'll be a Seahawk at this time next year. 

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"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09

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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:56 AM

Re: Suh is screwing Caldwell straight in the a$$. My opinion. 


I hadn't heard that he was offered 5/65.  As a matter of fact I hadn't heard anything but they were negotiating and now they are not.  It is really hard to discern if we don't have the numbers.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:00 AM

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I'm tired of reading about how some fans think they know what is going on with Suh and want to throw blame around with nothing to support it.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:05 AM

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Are you saying the we have not paid him more than any other DT in their 1st 4 years?

Are you saying the we have not offered him a contract that would make him the top paid DT in the league?

I would say you are wrong on both accounts.

lionskickarse wrote: I'm tired of reading about how some fans think they know what is going on with Suh and want to throw blame around with nothing to support it.
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:08 AM

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This was simply my estimation of what we offered.  Could be more, or slightly less.  I didn't state this was a fact.

Lewand and Mayhew are willing to make him the highest paid DT in the league, goes without saying.  That was my point ...

Hins0042 wrote: I hadn't heard that he was offered 5/65.  As a matter of fact I hadn't heard anything but they were negotiating and now they are not.  It is really hard to discern if we don't have the numbers.
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09

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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:10 AM

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Come on now this is getting silly. Did Demarcus Ware screw the Cowboys because Jerruh put them in Cap Hell?




*Suh,Megatron,Best,Broyles*

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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:23 AM

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Venting.

Just something about his smugness, and telling everyone how much he "wants to be here" that finally put me over the edge.

I hope we win the Super Bowl this year, and Suh ends up in Jacksonville for a couple of pennies more than we could offer.

His new agent will look like a hero.  Good for them.


LionsSlashWings wrote: Come on now this is getting silly. Did Demarcus Ware screw the Cowboys because Jerruh put them in Cap Hell?
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:44 AM

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I understand, but what can I say.. it's a business, and past decision have ramifications.

I'm sure many fans held hatred & resentment towards Barry Sanders at 1st for leaving this organization up the river without a paddle.

A bit of a different scenario this time around, but you see, the root of the problem is bigger than the stem.

BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Venting.

Just something about his smugness, and telling everyone how much he "wants to be here" that finally put me over the edge.

I hope we win the Super Bowl this year, and Suh ends up in Jacksonville for a couple of pennies more than we could offer.

His new agent will look like a hero.  Good for them.


LionsSlashWings wrote: Come on now this is getting silly. Did Demarcus Ware screw the Cowboys because Jerruh put them in Cap Hell?




*Suh,Megatron,Best,Broyles*

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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:50 AM

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BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Are you saying the we have not paid him more than any other DT in their 1st 4 years?

Are you saying the we have not offered him a contract that would make him the top paid DT in the league?

I would say you are wrong on both accounts.

lionskickarse wrote: I'm tired of reading about how some fans think they know what is going on with Suh and want to throw blame around with nothing to support it.
While we was paid more then any other DT in his first 4 years he was the last DT taken under the old rookie pay scale, so that point is mute.  The Lions were stuck paying him and I am just happy that he at least earned that pay.

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:53 AM

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to play devil's advocate, say you're *really* good at what you do. like top 1% in your field. your company makes you a really good offer. you know a couple of other companies are willing to make that offer right now and a year from now. you'd actually really like to stay with your current company. but you're not sure where management is going or something else about the company you want to try out for a year before committing full-time. maybe the product or future isn't as good as it is somewhere else. that would be perfectly reasonable wouldn't it?

perhaps suh knows he's going to get paid the same amount wherever he goes but he wants to see the lions get to a playoff before he commits to them (the organization and the other players). he's already got enough money to live on for the rest of his life. outside of injury, there's not much risk in him waiting on this really.

i'm not particularly fond of suh as a person but he has his motives and they're as valid as anyone elses and not much different from non-athletes in similar situations really.

this will play itself out. suh risks the grass is greener scenario too where you think you might be going somewhere better but when you get there it isn't. for all we know he'll still be a lion next year.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:53 AM

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I'm all for players getting all of the money they can get, non guaranteed contracts mean you can be cut at any time.
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:59 AM

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BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:

I'm tired of reading about how much Suh "want's to be here".   rolleyes



Caldwell (and the fans) are the ones getting screwed here.  Yes, Lewand and Mayhew enabled him.  Doesn't change what is happening.

Suh has already made more money than any other DT did in their first 4 years.   Now, something tells me had the largest contract for a DT in the league sitting on front of him, and he told the Lions to go F themselves.

If he signed a contract, it would have made him the top paid DT, given him security, and given Caldwell a better chance at a winning team.  You have to ask yourself why he is not interested in this.

He'll be a Seahawk at this time next year. 

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Couldn't agree more, Suh IMO is all talk, he has no interest in being here, otherwise he would have signed a long term deal already, I am pretty confident the Lions have offered him a deal that would make him the highest paid DT in the game, he basically told them to GTH
Hanks admits that Suh’s hit on Browns QB Brandon Weeden on Sunday was “not an egregious play,”
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:04 AM

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Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:07 AM

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BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
Mayhew was on vacation overseas instead of negotiating with him as free agency first started. If anyone has screwed the pooch it's Mayhew not Suh. See, I can criticize Mayhew even if I have defended him in the past.
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:07 AM

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Agree.  I don't see how it could have played out any other way.  No other scenario would make sense.

Oh well ... I'm sure we won't be the last team that a great player walks away from.

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lionking299 wrote:
BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:

I'm tired of reading about how much Suh "want's to be here".   rolleyes



Caldwell (and the fans) are the ones getting screwed here.  Yes, Lewand and Mayhew enabled him.  Doesn't change what is happening.

Suh has already made more money than any other DT did in their first 4 years.   Now, something tells me had the largest contract for a DT in the league sitting on front of him, and he told the Lions to go F themselves.

If he signed a contract, it would have made him the top paid DT, given him security, and given Caldwell a better chance at a winning team.  You have to ask yourself why he is not interested in this.

He'll be a Seahawk at this time next year. 

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Couldn't agree more, Suh IMO is all talk, he has no interest in being here, otherwise he would have signed a long term deal already, I am pretty confident the Lions have offered him a deal that would make him the highest paid DT in the game, he basically told them to GTH
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09

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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:10 AM

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Can't disagree with you on Mayhew. 

BUT, who would he have negotiated with?  Suh strategically was "between" agents at this time.  Right?  Right.

Give me a break.

WhoCares1 wrote:
BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
Mayhew was on vacation overseas instead of negotiating with him as free agency first started. If anyone has screwed the pooch it's Mayhew not Suh. See, I can criticize Mayhew even if I have defended him in the past.
"Mayhew was a bad GM last year. He was a bad GM the year before that.He's been a bad GM his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a bad GM".

Dan Orlovsky on Martin Mayhew. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:12 AM

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Suh is going to get more than what Mario Williams got. I think Lions fans need to accept that. I am pretty sure Suh will be the highest paid defensive player in the game on his new contract. Of course that would be until JJ Watt signs his new deal.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:15 AM

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WhoCares1 wrote:
BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
Mayhew was on vacation overseas instead of negotiating with him as free agency first started. If anyone has screwed the pooch it's Mayhew not Suh. See, I can criticize Mayhew even if I have defended him in the past.
Not Martin's job, that is Tom Lewands job, to negotiate contracts.
Hanks admits that Suh’s hit on Browns QB Brandon Weeden on Sunday was “not an egregious play,”
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:36 AM

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BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote: Can't disagree with you on Mayhew. 

BUT, who would he have negotiated with?  Suh strategically was "between" agents at this time.  Right?  Right.

Give me a break.

WhoCares1 wrote:
BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
Mayhew was on vacation overseas instead of negotiating with him as free agency first started. If anyone has screwed the pooch it's Mayhew not Suh. See, I can criticize Mayhew even if I have defended him in the past.
I understand where you're coming from. We just see it differently but I see your side. I don't hold it against Suh that he wasn't happy with his current agent and wanted a new one.
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:37 AM

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lionking299 wrote:
WhoCares1 wrote:
BarrySandersAllTimeBest wrote:
Wrong.  Just plain wrong. 

The Lions actually had to come out and say that they were going to stop negotiations during the season.  What happens during prior negotiations?  They were putting offers on the table.

Sorry, but you are just trying to be argumentative.  The Lions have made offers.  There is no doubt.
lionskickarse wrote:

There is nothing to support that the Lions have made any offers to Suh or that he turned any offer down.  So I would say that you are wrong in that case.
Mayhew was on vacation overseas instead of negotiating with him as free agency first started. If anyone has screwed the pooch it's Mayhew not Suh. See, I can criticize Mayhew even if I have defended him in the past.
Not Martin's job, that is Tom Lewands job, to negotiate contracts.
I was wrong, good point.
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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