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Mortensen Says Suh Deal

Posted: 7/24/2014 4:53 PM

Mortensen Says Suh Deal 


Not Likely.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:54 PM

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Good.

Apparently Lions won't negotiate during the season:

www.freep.com/article/20140724/SPORTS01/307240171

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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:02 PM

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Hopefully we get something done at some point....
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:13 PM

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Who knows with these things. Birkett says he believes a deal will get done before the season. Yes, no, maybe.. we've heard it all. Week 1 can't get here soon enough.
*Suh,Megatron,Best,Broyles*
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:25 PM

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Suh must want to be the highest paid defensive player in the league. Lewand and Co haven't had issues dealing out big time contracts in the past aka stafford and CJ so I can't imagine that they're low balling Suh. That leads me to believe he must be demanding something ridiculous. If that's the case, so be it. I know a lot of teams would pay Suh a ton of money, but I don't know that they would make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

I still think something gets done before the season, probably outdoing geno Atkins by 2 million more a year, but we'll see.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:31 PM

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I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:35 PM

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Neither do salary cap dollars. Unfortunately.

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--- Hazer wrote:

Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.


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"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09

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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:38 PM

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Hazer wrote: I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
I think the majority of Lions fans do.  The vocal minority though...
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:41 PM

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The article just says he's "unlikely to sign before camp" which I didn't expect anyways. I do think a deal will get done but it will be at the last minute.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:02 PM

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I hope he signs. Suh makes a lot of other people on defense better, but the Lions do have a lot of other players to worry about next year. Soooo, the Lions should make him a good offer but they can't afford to overpay one guy that much. JMO.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:42 PM

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SportyCliche wrote:
Hazer wrote: I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
I think the majority of Lions fans do.  The vocal minority though...
I'm in this camp too. I'd like to see Suh as a Lion for Life.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:54 PM

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TigerLionWings wrote:
SportyCliche wrote:
Hazer wrote: I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
I think the majority of Lions fans do.  The vocal minority though...
I'm in this camp too. I'd like to see Suh as a Lion for Life.
BUT....not if it cripples the team for years to come. Can't pay everyone $15-$20 mill a season, and with 3, that makes it super hard for the team to do much going forward.

"The Detroit Lions-Perfecting the art of the collapse for over 50 years"

."Promoting Mayhew to GM was beyond stupid, only the Lions would have done that."

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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:57 PM

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I want Suh to be a Lion for life as much as anyone, but I really have had that gut feeling all along that he doesn't want it.  It takes two to tango.
TigerLionWings wrote:
SportyCliche wrote:
Hazer wrote: I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
I think the majority of Lions fans do.  The vocal minority though...
I'm in this camp too. I'd like to see Suh as a Lion for Life.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:03 PM

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iggy14 wrote: Good.

Apparently Lions won't negotiate during the season:

www.freep.com/article/20140724/SPORTS01/307240171
Good?, now WE have to defend against him, NOW we have to search like hell to Find a DT "as good" - or better than Suh...cost what??

AND we lose a annual Pro Bowl DT...in HOPES that we get a few "good playmakers" out of Suh..which we don't typically do...might get 1 out of the two or three guys.....disappointed, and ticked off is what I am -typical Lions move though.

wonder when they start shopping CJ- he's too good to stay a Lion!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:10 PM

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i dont even have coherent thoughts on this anymore.

just phhhttttt frfrfrfrff grrrr blech
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:16 PM

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May not be the worst thing to let him play out his contract. Maybe Fairley finally breaks out AND the new defense gets the Dline loose. Then perhaps we decide that two high paid DT's in this system isn't imperative. Then we resign Fairley and draft or bring in a good talent in FA or the draft next year. Highest paid DT, fine, highest paid defensive player? Nope. Suh has to realize that he's already been paid the highest amount an NFL DT has ever earned over 5 seasons and he's not that much of a difference maker to get paid THAT much more than other elite DT's. A lot can be discovered over a season outside of what we have in Suh. I'd like him to be here, but not at all cost.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:37 PM

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If he doesn't want to be here, that's fine.

The team has always been built primarily offensively. That won't change.

Whatever success they have will be based mostly on offense.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:24 PM

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Major fail by the Lions front office. Letting him walk in UFA next year and POTENTIALLY getting a 3rd round pick (because of the way comp picks are calculated, we may even end up getting nothing for letting Suh walk) in the 2016 NFL Draft, is the equivalent of getting nothing for him. If we got a 1st, 3rd and 6th for Roy Williams when no one in the NFL thought Williams was worth much (except Jerry Jones), we should have been able to get a nice bounty for Suh before the 2014 draft. And while the Lions are virtually prohibited from placing the franchise tag on Suh ($27M for one year), if a team traded for Suh, the cost of the tag would be $15M, a lot of money, but not unbearable or impossible for a player of Suh's caliber. The cost of the tag would not have prevented a team from trading for Suh. On top of the teams that could trade for Suh with the intention of tagging him if a long-term deal isn't worked out, there are also teams that would be willing to trade for Suh with no intention of keeping him, but using him to make a run at the 2014 Superbowl.

Now if we were a team that was one player away from the Superbowl, I'd be all for keeping Suh and making a run, but we finished 7-9 and have a new coach . . . we are not a Superbowl contender.

If we wouldn't have franchise tag Cliff Avril in 2012, Suh wouldn't have needed to renegotiate his contract that year. Mayhew made a huge mistake keeping Cliff Avril in 2012 and he's made another huge mistake by misjudging whether or not we could sign Suh Long-term.

Mayhew's role is easy to judge, it's the product he's putting on the field. Tom Lewand isn't so easy to judge. I'm sure Mayhew and others within the Lions organization have discussed internally on how much they'd be willing to pay Suh with an extension and I'm sure that Lewand was asked if he thought he could get Suh's agents to agree to that number, if he's telling Mayhew, "Yes I can get it done", it's on Lewand . . . if he's saying "No I don't think I can get him to sign for that", it's on Mayhew. Either way, Lewand has been a part of a losing organization since Millen took over in 2000, both he and Mayhew should be on the hot seat and not getting Suh signed long-term by the start of the season is a huge failure for the organization.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:32 PM

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Nice to see you again Deadstroke. Well said.. I'm with you.

To think, this team without Suh AND Fairley no less next season? Definitely Mayhew should be fired on the spot. Inexcusable.
*Suh,Megatron,Best,Broyles*
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:37 PM

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canucklehead74 wrote: I want Suh to be a Lion for life as much as anyone, but I really have had that gut feeling all along that he doesn't want it.  It takes two to tango.
TigerLionWings wrote:
SportyCliche wrote:
Hazer wrote: I guess I am in the minority, but I want Suh resigned. Pro Bowl DTs don't grow on trees.

I still expect that this will be done by the end of training camp - there is no real incentive to get things done until then at this point.
I think the majority of Lions fans do.  The vocal minority though...
I'm in this camp too. I'd like to see Suh as a Lion for Life.
Suh probably saw what happened to Barry and is now happening to Calvin.  All time greats that never even whiffed a Superbowl.  I can't blame him if he wants to jump ship.  It's probably a smart idea if he wants to win a championship some day.
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