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I would let Suh walk

Posted: 7/21/2014 10:50 PM

I would let Suh walk 


To pay a DT what he wants to be paid is absurd. This team should just build around the 2 stars we have locked up. With 20 million plus we could get a couple of key contributors at different positions.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:55 PM

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So you would advocate cutting him?  What was his signing bonus?  what would be the cap hit to cut him?
Stafford2CJ7 wrote: To pay a DT what he wants to be paid is absurd. This team should just build around the 2 stars we have locked up. With 20 million plus we could get a couple of key contributors at different positions.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:59 PM

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MKatUmich wrote: So you would advocate cutting him?  What was his signing bonus?  what would be the cap hit to cut him?
Stafford2CJ7 wrote: To pay a DT what he wants to be paid is absurd. This team should just build around the 2 stars we have locked up. With 20 million plus we could get a couple of key contributors at different positions.
Cutting him would abolish our chance to receive a compensatory pick
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:07 PM

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Preface: I am fine letting Suh go, if the money is too high (NO DT is worth 16-20 per)

However, do we really know what Suh wants?

I will call him out at any chance, but I just won't throw the guy under the bus for what we THINK he wants to do. Until I know his demands, I will let it play out.
"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:08 PM

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The man is the best DT in the league. Pay him accordingly. I wouldn't overpay, the Lions can't afford that, but if he walks and Fairley walks then that's 2 really big holes in your defense. Right now CJ is in his prime, the next 3-4 years are the Lions' best shot at the SB. Go for it.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:31 PM

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I have yet to see anything about Suh's contract demands.

Here is the thing: What do you think the open market will give Suh? If no DT is worth X amount of money then why do you think Suh will get that X amount of money?
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:33 PM

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Wiseacres wrote: The man is the best DT in the league. Pay him accordingly. I wouldn't overpay, the Lions can't afford that, but if he walks and Fairley walks then that's 2 really big holes in your defense. Right now CJ is in his prime, the next 3-4 years are the Lions' best shot at the SB. Go for it.
But it also frees up resources.

I would say letting both go mean we won't have 2 STUD DTs, but we will have a number of other players with the money we'd of paid each.

Just me, but I can live without 2 stud DTs (that was a Schwartz thing, again....new staff, new priorities) if it means 3 or 4 extra GOOD players with 2 average DTs.

In either event, I think we all would agree it is best to keep Suh--just as long as the money adds up.
"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:35 PM

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If there ever was a DT worth X amount of dollars, it's Suh



If you were going to start afranchise TODAY,  he'd be up there in discussion with  JJ Watt, Andrew Luck, etc as #1 overall pick

1)Dennard CB trade w/NYG
2)Martin DE
3)Buchanon  S
4)Swanson OL
4b)Bryant WR
4c)Van Noy  LB
6)Freese K
7)Stephen DT
*) pick via trade Webster  DE/TE

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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:37 PM

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--- Jigga wrote:

If there ever was a DT worth X amount of dollars, it's Suh



If you were going to start afranchise TODAY,  he'd be up there in discussion with  JJ Watt, Andrew Luck, etc as #1 overall pick

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No, no he wouldn't.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:38 PM

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So again what is Suh asking for?
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:38 PM

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I wouldn't go that far but you do need star players to win a championship, not just money spread out between a bunch of decent players.
Jigga wrote: If there ever was a DT worth X amount of dollars, it's Suh



If you were going to start afranchise TODAY,  he'd be up there in discussion with  JJ Watt, Andrew Luck, etc as #1 overall pick
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:32 AM

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MKatUmich wrote: I wouldn't go that far but you do need star players to win a championship, not just money spread out between a bunch of decent players.
Jigga wrote: If there ever was a DT worth X amount of dollars, it's Suh



If you were going to start afranchise TODAY,  he'd be up there in discussion with  JJ Watt, Andrew Luck, etc as #1 overall pick
You also need star players to sell tickets and merchandise and also boost TV  ratings. Making money IS the objective of professional sports.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:46 AM

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you don't go out and just easily snatch up Pro bowl caliber DT's. yeah let Suh go, but you MUST find another man that's as good or better-right??

well guess what?? that man is going to want to be paid large to, putting us right back -here-.

ever hear of the saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it?" Suh isn't broke or old, he's strong, he's good, he's confident, he already knows his position inside and out, and is a contender for Pro Bowl every season.

why cut him!? that's nutz-UNLESS he asks for a huge amount of cash..BUT he will be the highest paid DT in the League.

you wanna cut a DT talk Fairley FIRST...he's the softer, slower, heavier, and just not as good as Suh...we can find his replacement )Fairley's).

I wouldn't miss him much, but who do you got to replace him with that's better??? NOW.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:48 AM

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Suh dominates, but hes not going to put up huge stats. His game is about opening things up for the other guys and making it easier for them, problem is, he is surrounded by garbage. His talent is completely wasted here. To the Lions, he is a complete waste of money because Lord Mayhew is unable to put talent around him that is able to capitalize off his dominance. The best thing that Mayhew could do for this franchise is trade him for some high DPs before the season starts.

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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:49 AM

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beergood wrote: Suh dominates, but hes not going to put up huge stats. His game is about opening things up for the other guys and making it easier for them, problem is, he is surrounded by garbage. His talent is completely wasted here. To the Lions, he is a complete waste of money because Lord Mayhew is unable to put talent around him that is able to capitalize off his dominance. The best thing that Mayhew could do for this franchise is trade him for some high DPs before the season starts.
Kinda ironic isn't that...

Lions D was pretty good last year and we have one of the better front 7's in the NFL right now
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:02 AM

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Suh requires a double team, and still dominates.

we're playing 10 on 9 ...basically 10 on 8 because of the QB/ball carrier,  AND winning the Suh matchup.

It's time.... Fairley's in a contract year, we've got Ansah/Taylor a year developed,  D. Tapp is a vet who can get after it, we've also added  Van Noy as a rusher....and got JasonJones coming back

I'm excited to see what the front 7 can do this year
SportyCliche wrote:
beergood wrote: Suh dominates, but hes not going to put up huge stats. His game is about opening things up for the other guys and making it easier for them, problem is, he is surrounded by garbage. His talent is completely wasted here. To the Lions, he is a complete waste of money because Lord Mayhew is unable to put talent around him that is able to capitalize off his dominance. The best thing that Mayhew could do for this franchise is trade him for some high DPs before the season starts.
Kinda ironic isn't that...

Lions D was pretty good last year and we have one of the better front 7's in the NFL right now

1)Dennard CB trade w/NYG
2)Martin DE
3)Buchanon  S
4)Swanson OL
4b)Bryant WR
4c)Van Noy  LB
6)Freese K
7)Stephen DT
*) pick via trade Webster  DE/TE

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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:22 AM

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I would pay him as if he's the best DT in the game because I believe he is, and I love him.  I want him wearing Honolulu blue for life.  

If we were to offer him a contract that makes him the top paid DT in the league and he leaves because another team offers him some crazy amount, then so be it.   I don't know for sure what he wants but I definitely wouldn't let him walk without a fight.  It wasn't that long ago when this team was completely devoid of talent.  We have a couple of elite talents here now and I think it's rare for a team to get better by letting their best players go, regardless of their position or perceived value.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:47 AM

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First who cares about a comp Pick?  Your talking best DT in NFL and anyone who says let him walk hasn't looked at his contract or what top DTs make.


If they let him walk this year the cap hit for dead money is $19,475,000 You want that?

Now try an look at what Top DT's make and he will likely average about 2 million over top guy.

You don't build winners letting top players in league to walk.

His agent is known to be a 11th hour agent when comes to his top clients and I expect a last minute or day or two late signing. 


CaptainObviou5 wrote:
MKatUmich wrote: So you would advocate cutting him?  What was his signing bonus?  what would be the cap hit to cut him?
Stafford2CJ7 wrote: To pay a DT what he wants to be paid is absurd. This team should just build around the 2 stars we have locked up. With 20 million plus we could get a couple of key contributors at different positions.
Cutting him would abolish our chance to receive a compensatory pick

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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:59 AM

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Is the Lions history worth anything in these discussions?

That is, the idea that we could get good value at other positions with Suh's money ignores the fact that the Lions don't historically get good value out of free agency. We're rarely anybody's first choice, and it's even more rare that we sign OUR first choice in free agency. Reggie Bush is probably the best deal/value we've gotten out of free agency in modern times, and that was basically because everybody else thought he was broken or done.

Whether you want to point to the city of Detroit itself, the cold weather, the franchise's not-so-winning culture and history, or our lack of cheerleaders (kidding), The Lions are not exactly an easy sell to make to any player on the FA market. Sure, while it sounds great to get 3-4 decent players of your choice with Suh's money, freeing up that money doesn't guarantee you any kind of quality players, it just grants you the ability to play the FA market with everybody else.....you might get 3-4 good contributors, but you might just as well end-up with 1 good contributor, a couple role players, a couple scrubs, and a few million dollars left over. That trade-off might not sound as great to a lot of people. And which possibility do you think is more likely given the Lions history?

While Suh's salary number is ridiculous, the idea that we could turn that money into the ability to pick and choose from all of the best values from the FA market isn't very realistic either. It seems worth noting that "a chance at 3-4 good players" is very, very different from "3-4 good players", and it seems like some of you are taking that huge jump when considering this issue.

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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:46 AM

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how much does he want? if we let him play for his 20 mil this year and then we want to re-sign him id give him a little more than 10 mil a year. no more than that. if he wanted like 14-15 mil a year id let him walk.

that's 3-4 top notch free agents. and that's just suhs money.

you let fairley walk as well and yea we would be lacking at DT but then we would have almost 25-30 mil of cap space from those two players?

how many free agents is that? and then if we needed a DT draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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