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NFL team in London rears it's head again..

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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:51 AM

NFL team in London rears it's head again.. 


The NFL is really ramping up the idea recently. Both Robert Kraft and Goodell have been quoted in the last 24 hours preaching the need for a team in London. I for one don't want a team in any other country besides the U.S.A. and really don't think the logistics would allow it. The owners are getting a little too greedy and I can see a big backlash coming if something like this does come to fruition. Here are the links:

Goodell want team in London

Kraft want team in London

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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:56 AM

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nflions20 wrote: The NFL is really ramping up the idea recently. Both Robert Kraft and Goodell have been quoted in the last 24 hours preaching the need for a team in London. I for one don't want a team in any other country besides the U.S.A. and really don't think the logistics would allow it. The owners are getting a little too greedy and I can see a big backlash coming if something like this does come to fruition. Here are the links:

Goodell want team in London

Kraft want team in London
Hey here is an idea, if Robert Kraft wants a team in London, so bad, then move the pats there and be done with it all ready
Hanks admits that Suh’s hit on Browns QB Brandon Weeden on Sunday was “not an egregious play,”
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:23 AM

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The only positive would be that at least one of the current teams would not lose a home game to play a game there anymore like Atlanta is this year.

If they do, I hope the team is in the AFC East Division so we only have to play the London team once every few years.

Unfortunately I think it is only a matter of time before this happens.   And not a long time.ohlord
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Last edited 7/18/2014 9:24 AM by Jadedandnolongerdissappointed

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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:57 AM

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Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: The only positive would be that at least one of the current teams would not lose a home game to play a game there anymore like Atlanta is this year.

If they do, I hope the team is in the AFC East Division so we only have to play the London team once every few years.

Unfortunately I think it is only a matter of time before this happens.   And not a long time.ohlord
Well they are saying they want it done by the end of the decade. 

The only way the fans will ever be able to rein in the owners and Goodell is if we cut off their money flow. Stop buying NFL ticket, game tickets, jerseys, etc.  Sadly we are all to addicted to football for this to ever happen so they basically have the freedom to do whatever they want.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:03 AM

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nflions20 wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: The only positive would be that at least one of the current teams would not lose a home game to play a game there anymore like Atlanta is this year.

If they do, I hope the team is in the AFC East Division so we only have to play the London team once every few years.

Unfortunately I think it is only a matter of time before this happens.   And not a long time.ohlord
Well they are saying they want it done by the end of the decade. 

The only way the fans will ever be able to rein in the owners and Goodell is if we cut off their money flow. Stop buying NFL ticket, game tickets, jerseys, etc.  Sadly we are all to addicted to football for this to ever happen so they basically have the freedom to do whatever they want.
Only problem with this is the teams make their money from the television contracts, so we would all have to stop watching, all together, and that wont happen in today's society
Hanks admits that Suh’s hit on Browns QB Brandon Weeden on Sunday was “not an egregious play,”
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:19 AM

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lionking299 wrote:
nflions20 wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: The only positive would be that at least one of the current teams would not lose a home game to play a game there anymore like Atlanta is this year.

If they do, I hope the team is in the AFC East Division so we only have to play the London team once every few years.

Unfortunately I think it is only a matter of time before this happens.   And not a long time.ohlord
Well they are saying they want it done by the end of the decade. 

The only way the fans will ever be able to rein in the owners and Goodell is if we cut off their money flow. Stop buying NFL ticket, game tickets, jerseys, etc.  Sadly we are all to addicted to football for this to ever happen so they basically have the freedom to do whatever they want.
Only problem with this is the teams make their money from the television contracts, so we would all have to stop watching, all together, and that wont happen in today's society
Yes, but half empty stadiums and declining revenue, no matter how small, would send a message.  I have even heard them (NFL) state that they are not worried about over saturation because they have not seen any disinterest by fans, so they just keep on marching along. Once they see the fans start to pull back I guarantee  they would take notice.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:48 AM

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Life would be really tough on the London team, 8 weeks out of the year they gotta fly back and forth over the Atlantic to play their away games, not counting the preseason or the playoffs. That's a pretty big handicap IMHO. If I'm Goodell and the owners I put a team in LA first. Forget Europe unless you want to put an entirely new league over there, which I believe was tried once already.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:05 AM

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Marc Cuban says the NFL is getting dangerously close to overexposure.

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...right-question/

Also, isn't it ironic that the owner of the PATRIOTS wants a team in England?

How about a tea party in reverse: everyone dumps their NFL tix and gear into Boston harbor.  cool


I think Cuban is correct on this.  The NFL execs are getting high on their own supply.

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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:32 AM

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This will happen and fail.  I expect it to be in place by 2018 and fold by 2025.

Cuban is absolutely correct about football's overexposure.

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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:10 PM

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Logistically it won't work. For instance, Tuesday is almost every teams day off. Many players jet home for a day and jet back. London players would not have that option. As Pat Kirwan pointed out, there are a lot of last minute calls for workouts on Tuesday's after reviewing game film or getting medical results from the Sunday game. Not only would these be tough calls to coordinate, but as Pat said "what if the guy you want to workout doesn't have a passport, or worse, he has something on his record that prevents him from getting a passport?"

How about healthcare? If you have money in the US, you have access to the best medical care in the world. Those guys over there pride themselves in having less advanced care for more people. What about taxes? Are the players going to have to pay the insane tax rates they have over there? Will it be one of those deals where London grants them an exemption for a few years, then after they are committed, change their minds?

I'm with the poster who said if Kraft wanted a franchise over there so bad, he could move his own team. It rings as hollow as Warren Buffet saying he doesn't pay enough taxes. If he really wanted to pay more, he could just write a check anytime he wanted. He could also pay himself salary instead of capital gains, which is taxed at different rates.

If they do this, I hope the team moves into the NFC North. I'm okay making a trip to London once a year to get a team that has a competitive disadvantage and will be a doormat.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:39 PM

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wesleysh21 wrote: Logistically it won't work. For instance, Tuesday is almost every teams day off. Many players jet home for a day and jet back. London players would not have that option. As Pat Kirwan pointed out, there are a lot of last minute calls for workouts on Tuesday's after reviewing game film or getting medical results from the Sunday game. Not only would these be tough calls to coordinate, but as Pat said "what if the guy you want to workout doesn't have a passport, or worse, he has something on his record that prevents him from getting a passport?"

How about healthcare? If you have money in the US, you have access to the best medical care in the world. Those guys over there pride themselves in having less advanced care for more people. What about taxes? Are the players going to have to pay the insane tax rates they have over there? Will it be one of those deals where London grants them an exemption for a few years, then after they are committed, change their minds?

I'm with the poster who said if Kraft wanted a franchise over there so bad, he could move his own team. It rings as hollow as Warren Buffet saying he doesn't pay enough taxes. If he really wanted to pay more, he could just write a check anytime he wanted. He could also pay himself salary instead of capital gains, which is taxed at different rates.

If they do this, I hope the team moves into the NFC North. I'm okay making a trip to London once a year to get a team that has a competitive disadvantage and will be a doormat.
I don't actually see those problems.  We live in a global economy and big business can deal with all of those things.  It will cost a lot to get it set up, but guys like Kraft think in terms of barriers to entry in business and if they don't see any walls they can;t bust through then they will look at the potential profits to be had and decide based on that. 

I do see the NFL losing its way though.  As much as people want to see their product, do they want it 24/7 and intercontinental?  Football was special when it was on Sundays and then a feature Monday game.  I get sick of ANYTHING that I get too much of.  There is the saying about beautiful married women:  somewhere there is a guy who is bored with sleeping with her!
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:52 PM

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redwing777 wrote:
wesleysh21 wrote: Logistically it won't work. For instance, Tuesday is almost every teams day off. Many players jet home for a day and jet back. London players would not have that option. As Pat Kirwan pointed out, there are a lot of last minute calls for workouts on Tuesday's after reviewing game film or getting medical results from the Sunday game. Not only would these be tough calls to coordinate, but as Pat said "what if the guy you want to workout doesn't have a passport, or worse, he has something on his record that prevents him from getting a passport?"

How about healthcare? If you have money in the US, you have access to the best medical care in the world. Those guys over there pride themselves in having less advanced care for more people. What about taxes? Are the players going to have to pay the insane tax rates they have over there? Will it be one of those deals where London grants them an exemption for a few years, then after they are committed, change their minds?

I'm with the poster who said if Kraft wanted a franchise over there so bad, he could move his own team. It rings as hollow as Warren Buffet saying he doesn't pay enough taxes. If he really wanted to pay more, he could just write a check anytime he wanted. He could also pay himself salary instead of capital gains, which is taxed at different rates.

If they do this, I hope the team moves into the NFC North. I'm okay making a trip to London once a year to get a team that has a competitive disadvantage and will be a doormat.
I don't actually see those problems.  We live in a global economy and big business can deal with all of those things.  It will cost a lot to get it set up, but guys like Kraft think in terms of barriers to entry in business and if they don't see any walls they can;t bust through then they will look at the potential profits to be had and decide based on that. 

I do see the NFL losing its way though.  As much as people want to see their product, do they want it 24/7 and intercontinental?  Football was special when it was on Sundays and then a feature Monday game.  I get sick of ANYTHING that I get too much of.  There is the saying about beautiful married women:  somewhere there is a guy who is bored with sleeping with her!
Yes, when games were played on Sunday and Monday, along with the T-Day game and the Saturday games they use to have late in the season, around the Christmas holiday, as a fan I could not wait, but now, there is a game on every Thursday, Sunday, Sunday night, Monday night and then they show replays on the off days. I watch games on Sunday and will watch the Thursday and Monday game, off and on, during commercials of what ever I maybe watching
Hanks admits that Suh’s hit on Browns QB Brandon Weeden on Sunday was “not an egregious play,”
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:11 PM

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I could see it happening, a couple years ago Goodell was talking about the NFL expanding to 34 teams. Everybody know they want a team in LA and apparently now they want a team in London. Boom, 34 teams. noidea
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:42 PM

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I think the London team would have to play 2 or 4 game road trips and stay in the USA inbetween and then have like 4 home games in a row...I think the idea sucks, personally
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:58 PM

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Yes, they would have to do like the baseall teams do when the do a west coast road trip.  They don't play in LA then the next series lplay in NY.

So as was pointed out the London team would have to swing several road games together then be home or several

And I agree... I think it sucks.

I travel to Europe for business to know it takes several days to adjust

sgtricc wrote: I think the London team would have to play 2 or 4 game road trips and stay in the USA inbetween and then have like 4 home games in a row...I think the idea sucks, personally
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:04 PM

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more like stop paying for cable.
nflions20 wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: The only positive would be that at least one of the current teams would not lose a home game to play a game there anymore like Atlanta is this year.

If they do, I hope the team is in the AFC East Division so we only have to play the London team once every few years.

Unfortunately I think it is only a matter of time before this happens.   And not a long time.ohlord
Well they are saying they want it done by the end of the decade. 

The only way the fans will ever be able to rein in the owners and Goodell is if we cut off their money flow. Stop buying NFL ticket, game tickets, jerseys, etc.  Sadly we are all to addicted to football for this to ever happen so they basically have the freedom to do whatever they want.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:14 PM

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I like the idea, but then again I'm not the one racking up the frequent flyer miles.  I think the Brits will absolutely support a team over there.  Maybe in exchange we can get a team in the Premier League, which would basically be our World Cup team and they could just fold that awful MLS league.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:44 PM

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lionking299 wrote:
Hey here is an idea, if Robert Kraft wants a team in London, so bad, then move the pats there and be done with it all ready
Haha.. "London Patriots" devil
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:03 AM

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What are they going to do with the Divisions? Just add them to the AFC East or NFC East or AFC North? You still have all those teams having to travel to England once a season which is a long flight. What happens when that Division has to play the AFC West and the flight gets 5 hours longer? Seems like a logistical nightmare.

Let me guess.  You aren't here for the Alcohol or Tobacco...
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:14 PM

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London Monarchs are HUGE! They drew almost 19,000 fans per game that one season.
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