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Article: Are the Lions up to fixing Stafford

Posted: 7/14/2014 3:15 PM

Article: Are the Lions up to fixing Stafford 


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SB Nation is taking a look at the NFL's most notable underachievers, the players who failed to live up to big expectations in 2013, and exploring whether or not they can turn things around in 2014.

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The Detroit Lions were driving the NFC North with seven games to go in the 2013 season. The Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers lost starting quarterbacks at the same time the Lions assumed the top  spot in the division courtesy of a 21-19 win over the Bears to improve  to 6-3.

To that point, Matthew Stafford was in the midst of a fine season. He had 19 touchdown passes to seven interceptions and, with the help of Calvin Johnson,  looked something like a plausible No. 1 overall pick. Then the rest of  the season happened, and as Stafford began racking up interceptions the  Lions' playoff hopes dimmed to black. The Lions won just one game over  the rest of the season, and Stafford threw just 10 touchdowns to 12  interceptions.

Why did Stafford decline? Well, that's sort of a mystery. He had  perhaps the best wide receiver in the game at his disposal, a good  offensive line in front of him, and a solid running back duo of Reggie Bush and Joique Bell to take some pressure off. On the surface, his struggles were entirely his own and apropos of nothing.

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Photo credit: Leon Halip

How he got here

Stafford has never been bad per say. He  certainly doesn't deserve entrance into the annals of first-round flame  outs. It'd be hard to argue that he has lived up to expectations,  however. His first two seasons were rendered null due to injuries and his  last two have been healthy but underwhelming.

Detroit is doing everything it can to give Stafford support

That leaves a 2011 season when Stafford was exactly what he should  be. He threw for 5,000-plus yards and a career-high 7.60 yards per  attempt. He threw 41 touchdowns, 12 more than he had last season, and 16  interceptions. That season was also the only time in his career he has  completed better than 60 percent of his passes. Stafford's 97.2  quarterback rating ranked fifth in the NFL.

He has posted ratings of 79.8 and 84.2 since. And that wouldn't be so  bad if he hadn't developed a bit of Tony Romo's inopportune timing.  Last season, he committed late, backbreaking turnovers in losses to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Baltimore Ravens and New York Giants.  Over the course of the 1-5 stretch after the 6-3 start, Stafford  committed 14 turnovers -- 12 interceptions and two fumbles lost.

The culprit? Trained eyes came to the same consensus: Stafford's mechanics went to ****. Kurt Warner and Jon Gruden were among those who piped up. Lions blog Pride of Detroit delved in-depth into the subject:

On this third-and-long play in the fourth quarter,  you can see Stafford has a pretty clean pocket. Yet, look at his stance.  His feet are facing toward the middle of the field, but his arm is  swinging toward the sideline.

Let's get a sense of what this footwork does in terms  of the release of the football. Stand up. Pick out a target to aim at  (you don't have to actually throw anything). Now, as you bring the ball  back to throw it, take a big step to the left of your target with your  front foot (if you are a lefty, take a step to the right of your  target). As you begin to move your arm forward, notice what is happening  to your throwing shoulder. It's dipping. This lowering of the shoulder  causes you to overcompensate. So what happens then?

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You overthrow your target.

The stakes

The Lions still have big issues to deal with in the  back seven of the defense, but if they could guarantee improvement at  any one position it would be quarterback. The team has spent years  putting together the right pieces around Stafford, from Calvin Johnson  to Reggie Bush to this year's selection of tight end Eric Ebron at No. 10 overall in the 2014 NFL Draft.

Detroit wants an elite offense. Whether that's coming at the  detriment of the defense is a fair question. For now, the team  associates scoring points with playoff berths, and so it's doing  everything it can to give Stafford support.

Just look at the newly-hired coaching staff. Head coach Jim Caldwell  has spent several years as a quarterbacks coach, including seven in  Indianapolis tutoring Peyton Manning. New offensive coordinator Joe  Lombardi is coming off a five-year stint as the Drew Brees'  position coach in New Orleans. In addition to those two men, the Lions  hired former Tennessee Volunteers backup quarterback Jim Bob Cooter as  Stafford's position coach.

With so much invested in Stafford, his weapons and his maturation,  the Lions' ambitions are naked. They believe they can make a playoff  run, and that Stafford is the key. If he fails, it will mean another  long, dark period for Lions fans.

Can he succeed in 2014?

The good news for those fans is that Stafford has performed  well before -- that 2011 is on the books, it happened. And though he  has had accuracy problems, no on can question his arm, which remains one  of the strongest in the NFL.

Jim Schwartz and his staff should absorb some of the blame for  Stafford's problems. Throughout his struggles, they were quick to bury  their heads in the sand. Though he is a defensive-minded coach, Schwartz  insisted he was happy with Stafford's mechanics,  something suggesting, perhaps, that offensive coordinator Scott Linehan  and quarterbacks coach Todd Downing were not up to the challenge of  diagnosing or fixing Stafford's faults.

Here's what we know about Stafford: He's a young 26 years old, and  has as much physical potential as anyone in the league. He has already  proven himself in the NFL, and to suggest, without a doubt, that we have  seen his best days would be foolhardy.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:40 PM

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Thanks for the article. I think Stafford will have a relatively good season, Perhaps not a great one, but a good one. The way I see, mechanics & flaws aside.. I think moving forward, less is better in regards to the reliance solely on Stafford's arm. Keep him on a pitch count sort of speak. There were times last year when it just looked like J.Bell plowed up & down the field with relative ease. Go with the hot hand when that's the case.

This is the most talented group on Offense he's had obviously, and even the most balanced team across the board. So I just wanna see him play within himself & within the system. For the younger fans that play Madden.. I'm merely saying that I want him to go from an 83 overall to an 89! tongue




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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:11 PM

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I don't think any fan disagrees that Stafford needs to step up his game, fix mechanical issues, and whatnot.


There are some things I disagree with in the article. The same old "but the defense" argument.
from the article: "The Lions still have big issues to deal with in the back seven of the defense". The back 7 has big issues? I get CB, but LBer is an issue for Detroit? Hell Safety is an issue for Detroit? CB is an issue...but the back 7...nope.

From the article: "Detroit wants an elite offense. Whether that's coming at the detriment of the defense is a fair question. For now, the team associates scoring points with playoff berths, and so it's doing everything it can to give Stafford support."

The biggest issue last season was that O stunk. It was bad. That blame rests mostly on Stafford's shoulders. The D was solid, no one was going to confuse it with Seattle's D or anything, but it wasn't bad at all last season. And how the hell can anyone think we have ignored D? The Lions biggest issue last season on O was that WR 2-5 were bad, really freaking bad, like probably would be #5 WRs on most offenses bad...or if they were decent we picked them up during the season so we were basically teaching them on the run (guys like Ross and Ogletree). The Lions went out and fixed that problem.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:19 PM

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I am with you but the D did fail to hold leads in the 4th Quarter several times.

They were not "terrible" all season or even most of any game.

They just seemed to not be able to make a stop when we really needed one.  Examples are the 95 yard drive by Pittsburg after the stupid fake FG, Raven's game had them pinned on their own goal line then let them make a 3rd and forever (or was it 4th and forever, I forget) in order to get a first down to keep the drive alive that evenutally led to the long FG

I think the Bucs or Bengals we let up game winners.

I don't have the stats but it seemed like we had several games where it was in our D's hands to seal the game at the end and they didn't.

That was the biggest failing on the D in my recollection, not that they were generally bad.  Just folded when we really needed them too often as I recall it without going back at lookig at the box scores/game summaries/tape

SportyCliche wrote: I don't think any fan disagrees that Stafford needs to step up his game, fix mechanical issues, and whatnot.


There are some things I disagree with in the article. The same old "but the defense" argument.
from the article: "The Lions still have big issues to deal with in the back seven of the defense". The back 7 has big issues? I get CB, but LBer is an issue for Detroit? Hell Safety is an issue for Detroit? CB is an issue...but the back 7...nope.

From the article: "Detroit wants an elite offense. Whether that's coming at the detriment of the defense is a fair question. For now, the team associates scoring points with playoff berths, and so it's doing everything it can to give Stafford support."

The biggest issue last season was that O stunk. It was bad. That blame rests mostly on Stafford's shoulders. The D was solid, no one was going to confuse it with Seattle's D or anything, but it wasn't bad at all last season. And how the hell can anyone think we have ignored D? The Lions biggest issue last season on O was that WR 2-5 were bad, really freaking bad, like probably would be #5 WRs on most offenses bad...or if they were decent we picked them up during the season so we were basically teaching them on the run (guys like Ross and Ogletree). The Lions went out and fixed that problem.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:26 PM

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I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:59 PM

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Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I am with you but the D did fail to hold leads in the 4th Quarter several times.

They were not "terrible" all season or even most of any game.

They just seemed to not be able to make a stop when we really needed one.  Examples are the 95 yard drive by Pittsburg after the stupid fake FG, Raven's game had them pinned on their own goal line then let them make a 3rd and forever (or was it 4th and forever, I forget) in order to get a first down to keep the drive alive that evenutally led to the long FG

I think the Bucs or Bengals we let up game winners.

I don't have the stats but it seemed like we had several games where it was in our D's hands to seal the game at the end and they didn't.

That was the biggest failing on the D in my recollection, not that they were generally bad.  Just folded when we really needed them too often as I recall it without going back at lookig at the box scores/game summaries/tape

SportyCliche wrote: I don't think any fan disagrees that Stafford needs to step up his game, fix mechanical issues, and whatnot.


There are some things I disagree with in the article. The same old "but the defense" argument.
from the article: "The Lions still have big issues to deal with in the back seven of the defense". The back 7 has big issues? I get CB, but LBer is an issue for Detroit? Hell Safety is an issue for Detroit? CB is an issue...but the back 7...nope.

From the article: "Detroit wants an elite offense. Whether that's coming at the detriment of the defense is a fair question. For now, the team associates scoring points with playoff berths, and so it's doing everything it can to give Stafford support."

The biggest issue last season was that O stunk. It was bad. That blame rests mostly on Stafford's shoulders. The D was solid, no one was going to confuse it with Seattle's D or anything, but it wasn't bad at all last season. And how the hell can anyone think we have ignored D? The Lions biggest issue last season on O was that WR 2-5 were bad, really freaking bad, like probably would be #5 WRs on most offenses bad...or if they were decent we picked them up during the season so we were basically teaching them on the run (guys like Ross and Ogletree). The Lions went out and fixed that problem.
The Steelers game is the best example of that.  The Eagles game they finally broke in the 2nd half as well.

But the Ravens game..they allowed 6 field goals including a freaking record breaking one and the O tripped on its own dick all game.

The Bucs game: the D played with its back against the wall including turning turnovers on our own side of the field into FGs (or even no points, I need to check that out).  It did allow a big TD pass play in the beginning of the 4th quarter..but it played well throughout..and that includes one of Tampa Bay's scores being a pick-6.

Bengals game: that was set up on a bad punt.  They did allow 15 yards on 2 pass plays to set up a 54 yard game winning field goal. Of course if the last 2 plays against the Bengals by the Lions were not: Incomplete pass, incomplete pass.

The O was the biggest issue last season by far.  The D allowed big plays, no doubt and was by no means innocent in terms of our overall record. The Steelers game we expected the D to hold off a 97 yard drive..and it failed.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:01 PM

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Couple things:

1. What Schwartz and co. said to the media about Stafford maybe isn't exactly what they really believed. What're they gonna do, throw their franchise QB under the bus for the inaccurate throws and turnovers? Don't think so.

2. I read that if Lions receivers had the league average of drops then Stafford woulda been over 60% and my guess we would have maybe won another game or two. Dunno, and I ain't going to check; there's no question he missed a few throws and made some bad decisions that cost 'em. But he did put it up more times than most, no?   People who have more responsibility are usually the ones who make the most mistakes, in any line of work.

3. As it was, the Lions offense was actually not that bad. 6th in the league in total yards, and they had balance too. Best rushing season we've had in awhile I think. Funny, they were 13th in scoring, and most us know why: they were tied with the Vikes at 28th in TO ratio, something like -12. A lot of that is on Stafford, fair enough, but sometimes it was somebody else coughing up the ball or dropping it.

4.  48 TDs last year, 44 on offense, that's around 8th or so in the league. Gave up only 38, these guys shoulda had 9 or 10 wins doing that. But they found ways to lose, as we all know.

5.  Adding Tate and Ebron, plus hopefully a healthy Broyles, AND a healthy Calvin, Stafford doesn't have to get too much better for these guys to be everybody's nightmare. Gotta say I'll be quite shocked if he doesn't and the Lions don't score a heck of a lot of points this year. Caldwell coached teams don't make as many mistakes as most others, I'm hoping their focus and execution will be much improved. If that happens and they avoid a bunch of serious injuries, then these guys are gonna win a lot of games.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:34 PM

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I would also add that there should be some competition at WR this year. We have spots that are filled with guys who have some time here except for Tate, so there is familiarity this year that wasn't there last year. Look at how many guys we had to work in last year because of injuries, etc. Warford, Waddle, Fauria, Bush, Ross, Ogletree, Reiff...OK I'll say it, Riddick. This year on O, Tate and Ebron. I hear guys say that changing systems is a big deal. Well, so is changing players, and we're sitting pretty good right now.

Re the drops, we had over 30. I like that you included Broyles, I think he IS all that and is going to move the chains for us. I know, he has to stay healthy, exactly the same thing people said about Stafford after 2 years. I also think a more aggressive scheme will see us be better on D. Our CB's are a huge question mark, the only position on the team where there really is one. I have faith that Stafford can play up to a higher level than last year. I also have faith that this staff won't be afraid to make a move if they have to, something that cost Schwartz his job.

My bad, kicker is also a big question mark, and it's an important question yet to be answered. We'll find out soon enough.
Wiseacres wrote: Couple things:

1. What Schwartz and co. said to the media about Stafford maybe isn't exactly what they really believed. What're they gonna do, throw their franchise QB under the bus for the inaccurate throws and turnovers? Don't think so.

2. I read that if Lions receivers had the league average of drops then Stafford woulda been over 60% and my guess we would have maybe won another game or two. Dunno, and I ain't going to check; there's no question he missed a few throws and made some bad decisions that cost 'em. But he did put it up more times than most, no?   People who have more responsibility are usually the ones who make the most mistakes, in any line of work.

3. As it was, the Lions offense was actually not that bad. 6th in the league in total yards, and they had balance too. Best rushing season we've had in awhile I think. Funny, they were 13th in scoring, and most us know why: they were tied with the Vikes at 28th in TO ratio, something like -12. A lot of that is on Stafford, fair enough, but sometimes it was somebody else coughing up the ball or dropping it.

4.  48 TDs last year, 44 on offense, that's around 8th or so in the league. Gave up only 38, these guys shoulda had 9 or 10 wins doing that. But they found ways to lose, as we all know.

5.  Adding Tate and Ebron, plus hopefully a healthy Broyles, AND a healthy Calvin, Stafford doesn't have to get too much better for these guys to be everybody's nightmare. Gotta say I'll be quite shocked if he doesn't and the Lions don't score a heck of a lot of points this year. Caldwell coached teams don't make as many mistakes as most others, I'm hoping their focus and execution will be much improved. If that happens and they avoid a bunch of serious injuries, then these guys are gonna win a lot of games.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:48 PM

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Well let's all pray that the staff can get Matt to get his mechanics corrected, because as we have seen glimpses of what this offense can do when Matt is on. I am really starting to think the previous staff did him no favors, by not working with him more on his mechanics. However, it is hard to do that, when it seems they really don't have the experience to help him.

We can all agree, that this offense will only go as far as Matt takes them. He has all the weapons at his disposal, CJ, Tate, Ebron, Bush, Bell and a pretty good offensive line. They have the possibilities of being really good
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:17 PM

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WE are just ordinary fans, everyday folk that work all sorts of jobs and go about our lives, the majority of us do not work for the NFL, or the Lions but we sure as hell can see that Matt was struggling with these things...it is/was obvious to the casual fan, so WHY do professional QB coaches, and Offensive Quality Control guys and Head coaches ignore these issues and claim they don't have a problem with the way Matt plays???

in 2014, WE HEAR that Matt was getting some help finally. Schwartz and them didn't "have to berate Matt or throw him under the bus"

say a bunch of negative things to the public...they could say "look we noticed some things Matthew Stafford can work on and we are going to see that we address these areas."...if asked what areas, they could have stated them outright.

there is no crime in saying a player is struggling a bit and we want to win more so we are going to get them the help they need.

BUT -"saying" they are going to help him and- watching Stafford come out doing the exact same things as before -would really tick me off -I'd take offense to that as a fan, believing OUR new HC/staff lied.

IF Stafford exhibited no marked improvement...He 'should be better just for the players listed by lionking and others alone.

but what we'll look for to, is that Matt isn't still throwing off his heels, his mechanics do look better, ect... as well-ON TOP OF- that we just got good players around him.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:48 PM

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This....

I think the coaches were to lack last year (With ever growing hindsight!) and for whatever reason (Hell, maybe Jim wanted to get fired?  bad relationships .... who knows) and as stated, you do not have to say "Matt sucks"..... You say, "The position of the QB is a lifelong learning process..... we have him strengthening his strong points and working to eliminate errors." done....

I really feel that somewhere, last season, even in the midst's of winning and being 6-3, Matt lost focus and motivation.... why try if no one what to truly help you get better?

I could be wrong, but we will never know....

I also see the new coaches making things happen....

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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:03 PM

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Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
I wouldn't say that, but any article discussing what a bad year Stafford the last two years without bringing up the fact that his WR's dropped THE most passes in the NFL the past two seasons.  Not bad, not troublesome, but THE WORST.  Last year his WR's dropped 44 balls.  Drew Brees threw MORE passes, yet his WR's dropped only 15.  They bring up the TB game and his inopportune INT's, not acknowledging that CJ's drop at the 5 yard line that he hot potatoed into an INT cost the game.  I love me some CJ and he had broken fingers, BUT that INT nor the loss was on Stafford.  Can he be better?  Yes.  Was he coddled by the previous staff?  Yes.  Have the drops been a major issue?  Absolutely.  I don't think this is being an apologist.  Just acknowledging a major truth that must be considered when you look at Stafford's stats and W-L record.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:16 PM

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3RDRGR wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
I wouldn't say that, but any article discussing what a bad year Stafford the last two years without bringing up the fact that his WR's dropped THE most passes in the NFL the past two seasons.  Not bad, not troublesome, but THE WORST.  Last year his WR's dropped 44 balls.  Drew Brees threw MORE passes, yet his WR's dropped only 15.  They bring up the TB game and his inopportune INT's, not acknowledging that CJ's drop at the 5 yard line that he hot potatoed into an INT cost the game.  I love me some CJ and he had broken fingers, BUT that INT nor the loss was on Stafford.  Can he be better?  Yes.  Was he coddled by the previous staff?  Yes.  Have the drops been a major issue?  Absolutely.  I don't think this is being an apologist.  Just acknowledging a major truth that must be considered when you look at Stafford's stats and W-L record.
No doubt.

It IS pathetic that we lead the league in drops 2 years in a row.   That has to change also.

You have to wonder if some of those drops are not the result of Matt always throwing fastballs when sometimes taking a little heat off (ie use some touch) might not make a more catchable ball?  That is just speculation on my part.  I think Brees throws with more touch and accuracy than Stafford does

But the drops must be reduced no matter what
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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:30 PM

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3RDRGR wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
I wouldn't say that, but any article discussing what a bad year Stafford the last two years without bringing up the fact that his WR's dropped THE most passes in the NFL the past two seasons.  Not bad, not troublesome, but THE WORST.  Last year his WR's dropped 44 balls.  Drew Brees threw MORE passes, yet his WR's dropped only 15.  They bring up the TB game and his inopportune INT's, not acknowledging that CJ's drop at the 5 yard line that he hot potatoed into an INT cost the game.  I love me some CJ and he had broken fingers, BUT that INT nor the loss was on Stafford.  Can he be better?  Yes.  Was he coddled by the previous staff?  Yes.  Have the drops been a major issue?  Absolutely.  I don't think this is being an apologist.  Just acknowledging a major truth that must be considered when you look at Stafford's stats and W-L record.


To a point however. That TB game for example, speaking of which:

- a telegraphed INT in the end-zoneby Tandy
- a telegraphed pick 6 by Leonard Johnson

So while yes, Stafford is none to blame on the very last play of the game, it sadly enough.. shouldn't have even come down to that. Same thing on the Durham in bounds INT. Both those plays came at the very end as we were trying to go for yet another "miracle comeback".

That game should've been out of reach well before CJ & Durham messed up. But Stafford's costly mistakes prior should not get lost in any of this just as well.

Tandy INT in the end-zone:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/...&tab=videos

Leonard Johnson pick 6:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/...&tab=videos

Then there's the Ravens game. We lost to them despite them failing to score a single TD. That's pathetic.

And lastly, the game vs the Giants we lost in OT. Stafford had that oh so familiar look we've seen before. The look on a player that's been Lionized for the 1st time:

- 59.5 completion %
- 0 Td's & 2 INT's?

Against the hapless Giants considering how they stunk up the joint all season?

Puke performance to say the least.




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I dunno how they decide what is a drop and what isn't, but I gotta say if the receiver gets 2 hands on it then he oughta catch the damn thing unless he gets popped before he can secure the ball. Granted, a Stafford fastball that's behind you or too high or low is a tough catch, gotta be a little latitude there. Maybe they should have a half drop for the really tough ones; but an NFL receiver is paid to catch it, no excuses. IMHO, our guys dropped too many last year.
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I honestly think Stafford is set up right now to be better than he was in 2011 and if he isn't better or at least close to what he was, then I will be worried. In 2011 we had Nate play in 16 games while he only played in 6 in 2012 and 9 in 2013. We also had pre losing his mind Titus Young who showed enough that I thought he would EASILY surpass Nate for the #2 WR spot in the 2012 season. So Nate keept getting older and hurt, Titus went bonkers, we bring in Broyles who can't stay on the field, and basically Matt is throwing to CJ and the bums, not a bad band name but horrible one to describe your WRs.
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Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote:
3RDRGR wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
I wouldn't say that, but any article discussing what a bad year Stafford the last two years without bringing up the fact that his WR's dropped THE most passes in the NFL the past two seasons.  Not bad, not troublesome, but THE WORST.  Last year his WR's dropped 44 balls.  Drew Brees threw MORE passes, yet his WR's dropped only 15.  They bring up the TB game and his inopportune INT's, not acknowledging that CJ's drop at the 5 yard line that he hot potatoed into an INT cost the game.  I love me some CJ and he had broken fingers, BUT that INT nor the loss was on Stafford.  Can he be better?  Yes.  Was he coddled by the previous staff?  Yes.  Have the drops been a major issue?  Absolutely.  I don't think this is being an apologist.  Just acknowledging a major truth that must be considered when you look at Stafford's stats and W-L record.
No doubt.

It IS pathetic that we lead the league in drops 2 years in a row.   That has to change also.

You have to wonder if some of those drops are not the result of Matt always throwing fastballs when sometimes taking a little heat off (ie use some touch) might not make a more catchable ball?  That is just speculation on my part.  I think Brees throws with more touch and accuracy than Stafford does

But the drops must be reduced no matter what
To be sure, there were plenty of passes that he could have taken heat off.  That arm is a blessing and a curse, just like with Favre.  The drop stat isn't "official" but it's pretty much one that SHOULD have been caught WITHOUT undue effort.  IE just because a receiver gets two hands on a laser from 5 feet away, they don't have to label that a drop.  They could decide, well who could have caught that, that's on the QB.  If it's behind or too low or high, they supposedly throw those out, and yes with Stafford there were plenty of those to go around too.  But this stat is supposed to TOTALLY rule out QB error.  He can get better, he's not "elite" yet, but he's plenty good enough to win it all and any talk about needing someone else is IMO poppycock.

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Re: Article: Are the Lions up to fixing Stafford 



LionsSlashWings wrote:
3RDRGR wrote:
Jadedandnolongerdissappointed wrote: I do think there are a few here that are in denial about Stafford though and don't think he needs "fixing"

But then, Schwartz and Linehan and Stafford didn't think he needed any "fixing' either so they were not alone.
I wouldn't say that, but any article discussing what a bad year Stafford the last two years without bringing up the fact that his WR's dropped THE most passes in the NFL the past two seasons.  Not bad, not troublesome, but THE WORST.  Last year his WR's dropped 44 balls.  Drew Brees threw MORE passes, yet his WR's dropped only 15.  They bring up the TB game and his inopportune INT's, not acknowledging that CJ's drop at the 5 yard line that he hot potatoed into an INT cost the game.  I love me some CJ and he had broken fingers, BUT that INT nor the loss was on Stafford.  Can he be better?  Yes.  Was he coddled by the previous staff?  Yes.  Have the drops been a major issue?  Absolutely.  I don't think this is being an apologist.  Just acknowledging a major truth that must be considered when you look at Stafford's stats and W-L record.


To a point however. That TB game for example, speaking of which:

- a telegraphed INT in the end-zoneby Tandy
- a telegraphed pick 6 by Leonard Johnson

So while yes, Stafford is none to blame on the very last play of the game, it sadly enough.. shouldn't have even come down to that. Same thing on the Durham in bounds INT. Both those plays came at the very end as we were trying to go for yet another "miracle comeback".

That game should've been out of reach well before CJ & Durham messed up. But Stafford's costly mistakes prior should not get lost in any of this just as well.

Tandy INT in the end-zone:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/...&tab=videos

Leonard Johnson pick 6:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/...&tab=videos

Then there's the Ravens game. We lost to them despite them failing to score a single TD. That's pathetic.

And lastly, the game vs the Giants we lost in OT. Stafford had that oh so familiar look we've seen before. The look on a player that's been Lionized for the 1st time:

- 59.5 completion %
- 0 Td's & 2 INT's?

Against the hapless Giants considering how they stunk up the joint all season?

Puke performance to say the least.
This is true as well.  Like I said, I'm not his brother or anything.  I do think he can get better and he needs to.  I don't think the prior staff did him a lot of favors.  From constantly shielding him from blame, to putting everything on him for so long.  I mean giving him CJ is one heck of a great thing, but Grew has been a bit of a disappointment as far as a "reliable" target.  They tried with Nate and Titus but both were short lived as far as production as the #2.  The running game just came on last year and even then it wasn't really consistent enough or Linehan didn't trust it enough to lean on it when Stafford was struggling, with the exception of the GB game which was a lot of fun and we just ran the ball down their throats.  For me the best, most exciting offseason move was......FB Jed Collins...  I think a true FB is exactly what this offense needs.  Put Stafford under center.  We can pound the ball with the running game, we can run play-action, we won't be so darned predictable.  We can run no huddle and be super versatile with Ebron and Tate.  If Stafford sucks this year, then I may begin to sour, but for now I still think the best is yet to come and 2011 happened which was pretty darned good.

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