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Stafford 13th best QB, Tier 2

Posted: 7/2/2014 4:21 PM

Stafford 13th best QB, Tier 2 


ESPN’s Mike Sando, however, polled 26 “league insiders” – two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – on each projected starting quarterback in the NFL. And by composite ranking, Stafford ranks 13th of 32 – in the second tier.


There's a feeling among evaluators that Stafford, more than any other QB outside the top five, has the talent to ascend into the first tier. He is arguably the most intriguing starter in the league.
"I've watched Stafford a lot and some of the decision-making is questionable," a defensive coordinator said. "[But] as a talent, I would have drafted the kid No. 1 when he was coming out of Georgia."
A head coach said it's critical for Stafford to work on his mechanics the way Brady and Peyton Manning have done over the years.

Just five starting quarterbacks made the top tier in Sando’s list: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck. 


I think most Lions' fans would agree with this assessment.  I still think Luck is just a little bit overrated, but you can't argue with his W-L results....


Jay Cutler is at 17, Bears' fans are whining about that one big time.

Last edited 7/2/2014 4:27 PM by SportyCliche

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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:32 PM

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I am cool with that assessment. Especially if the names had an arrow up or down meaning where is their career going.

And yep, I agree with the overrating of Andrew Luck. A completion % of 54.1 as a rookie and 60.2 in 2013 with a QB rating of 76.5 as a rookie in 2012 and 87 in 2013.

But wins do matter and WHEN the wins come matters. Luck went 4-1 in December in 2013 and in 2012 Luck went 4-1 in December. That matters to me.

What is kind of crazy is that Luck turns 25 in September and Stafford turned 26 in February meaning Matt is roughly 1.5 years older then Luck. But really 1 football year separates these guys despite Stafford playing 5 football seasons to Luck's 2. That is kinda crazy.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:05 PM

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well has Matt 'played' 5? he was injured his first two seasons....remember the "Glassford" and other colorful names he had incurred back in the day??
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:08 PM

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Here come the apologies..................He played IN 5 seasons. He has had time to bring up the level of his game to both his draft status and paycheck and neither has happened. There is a reason we aren't seeing how he compared to the stellar QB's of the league, they broke out by now and Matt regressed.
wolfcub36 wrote: well has Matt 'played' 5? he was injured his first two seasons....remember the "Glassford" and other colorful names he had incurred back in the day??
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:12 PM

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LyingFan wrote: Here come the apologies..................He played IN 5 seasons. He has had time to bring up the level of his game to both his draft status and paycheck and neither has happened. There is a reason we aren't seeing how he compared to the stellar QB's of the league, they broke out by now and Matt regressed.
wolfcub36 wrote: well has Matt 'played' 5? he was injured his first two seasons....remember the "Glassford" and other colorful names he had incurred back in the day??
my bad he played a combined 13 games his first two seasons...10 games in 09 and 3 in 2010...but he did play  SOME in all 5.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:00 PM

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the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:11 PM

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ArgentBlue wrote: the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
It was a survey. It probably didn't take more than 20 minutes to complete.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:22 PM

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edjames01 wrote:
ArgentBlue wrote: the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
It was a survey. It probably didn't take more than 20 minutes to complete.
20 minutes is a long time when you can be doing something else.. better... like improving your own team.  i don't know, my guess is these guys are busy with their jobs, family or whatever (maybe they're not).   but if you think they made 20 minutes for this guy, do you know how many other guys would be trying to get these same guys to fill our *their* survey?  that starts adding up to a lot of time even just ignoring the calls and emails.  just saying.  i wonder how serious something like this really is.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:25 PM

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ArgentBlue wrote: the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
That's an ignorant stab at those at the top.
You cannot understand the reality of the top executive
There are always lame perspectives like yours, picking at every freaking detail ...
Gouge Away ...
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:27 PM

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LyingFan wrote: Here come the apologies..................He played IN 5 seasons. He has had time to bring up the level of his game to both his draft status and paycheck and neither has happened. There is a reason we aren't seeing how he compared to the stellar QB's of the league, they broke out by now and Matt regressed.
wolfcub36 wrote: well has Matt 'played' 5? he was injured his first two seasons....remember the "Glassford" and other colorful names he had incurred back in the day??

There is no need to apologize. Stafford raised his level of play in 2010 and he raised it again in 2011. 2011 he raised it to a Hall of Fame level. He did not maintain it and hasn't been able to get back to that level. I pick the Lions to win the North this year and a great deal of that prediction hinges on Stafford, at the very least, returning to the 2011 form. Andrew Luck's assessment is warranted. But Luck, like every NFL QB, will regress. Then what will people say about him? Probably the same stuff they say about Stafford...noidea
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:33 PM

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Andrew Luck isn't overrated at all.. He is the best scrambling QB in the league. In 2 seasons he has one less win than Stafford has in 5. 8 wins against winning clubs in 2 years.. This kid is the real deal. Luck is everything that you want in a franchise QB.

I haven't seen the rankings but 13th is pretty reasonable. The guy who I think is very underrated is Roethlisberger.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:36 PM

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sleats wrote:
ArgentBlue wrote: the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
That's an ignorant stab at those at the top.
You cannot understand the reality of the top executive
There are always lame perspectives like yours, picking at every freaking detail ...
Gouge Away ...
dude read my reply to edjames.  

in regards to the top executives.  i picture rightly or wrongly a lot of executives more like fans of the game that just happen to have a couple of extra hundreds of million dollars to throw around and buy a team.  they hire people to manage and coach their teams for them like they often do their businesses.  the GMs and coaches they hire should probably be more concerned with their own teams than mike sando's surveys whereas for an exec, perhaps a survey like this might be fun and entertaining.  would you value jerry jone's opinion about football?  or what about william clay ford's?  enough said.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:41 PM

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I am confused. Wouldn't a defensive coordinator not look at other teams QBs? I mean this is the off-season..right now there isn't much going on anyway....
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:46 PM

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ArgentBlue wrote:
edjames01 wrote:
ArgentBlue wrote: the first thought that came to my mind is which if any of the - two head coaches, eight GMs, two former GMs, seven coordinators, four pro personnel evaluators, two position coaches and a top executive – actually have or are willing to give the time to sit down and rank 30+ QBs for a guy named mike sando because he calls them out of the blue asking if they can conduct an informal poll? ;) don't these guys have better things to do than this? :).. yeah that's what i thought..... except maybe the top executive..
It was a survey. It probably didn't take more than 20 minutes to complete.
20 minutes is a long time when you can be doing something else.. better... like improving your own team.  i don't know, my guess is these guys are busy with their jobs, family or whatever (maybe they're not).   but if you think they made 20 minutes for this guy, do you know how many other guys would be trying to get these same guys to fill our *their* survey?  that starts adding up to a lot of time even just ignoring the calls and emails.  just saying.  i wonder how serious something like this really is.
I've personally filled out surveys just to get a subscription to a computer trade magazine. What would be so difficult for them to fill out of form based on what they already know?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:48 PM

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SportyCliche wrote: I am confused. Wouldn't a defensive coordinator not look at other teams QBs? I mean this is the off-season..right now there isn't much going on anyway....
Right. Those folks probably know everything there is to know about the QBs in the NFL
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:40 PM

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That's a pretty fair rating....now, in the next 2-3 years, 3 of those guys will fall out of that top 5...

of the next 10 guys, who will take their place?

Romo
Stafford
Matt Ryan
Roethlisbeger
Flacco
Eli
Rivers
Wilson
Kap
Foles

Roethlisberger will fade. Kap will never get there because he's not a very good passer. Romo is peaked out, Ryan too. Flacco and Cutler not even in the discussion.

IMO  I think Stafford Wilson and Rivers make the jump up...but Rivers may be peaked out too....maybe Eli.



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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:44 PM

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Luck is overrated, he plays in the easiest division in football, while we have 3 very competitive teams in ours.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:58 PM

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weaselpuppy wrote: That's a pretty fair rating....now, in the next 2-3 years, 3 of those guys will fall out of that top 5...

of the next 10 guys, who will take their place?

Romo
Stafford
Matt Ryan
Roethlisbeger
Flacco
Eli
Rivers
Wilson
Kap
Foles

Roethlisberger will fade. Kap will never get there because he's not a very good passer. Romo is peaked out, Ryan too. Flacco and Cutler not even in the discussion.

IMO  I think Stafford Wilson and Rivers make the jump up...but Rivers may be peaked out too....maybe Eli.
Biggest Rivers fan you will meet and I think you may be correct.

IMO, I like Ryan to take the step. I have always liked Ryan. Wilson too. I think Foles has more potential than guys like Kap. To me, Kap is wildly overrated. I have gained respect for him, but I still am not that blown away.
"He was the backup last year. He was a backup the year before that.He's been a back up his whole career. I don't think anybody would be surprised if I thought he was a backup".

Martin Mayhew on Dan Orlovsky. Detroit Free Press, 2.21.09
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:59 PM

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thecurseisover wrote: Luck is overrated, he plays in the easiest division in football, while we have 3 very competitive teams in ours.
Wins this year- @ San Fran, Seattle, Denver, KC twice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Denver, SF and Seattle all make it to their conference championship games?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 9:12 PM

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iggy14 wrote:
thecurseisover wrote: Luck is overrated, he plays in the easiest division in football, while we have 3 very competitive teams in ours.
Wins this year- @ San Fran, Seattle, Denver, KC twice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Denver, SF and Seattle all make it to their conference championship games?
But Andrew Luck didn't when it matters.  Loser.
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