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Lions make a couple of questionable calls...Fairleys Option

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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:02 PM

Lions make a couple of questionable calls...Fairleys Option 


Source: Dave Birkett on Twitter

Lions GM Martin Mayhew has "zero interest" in trading Mikel Leshoure. Mayhew says he's had "no trade talks of any kind," and expects Leshoure to be a Lion in 2014. The Lions are supposedly committing to the running game, but at best, Leshoure will be a distant third on the depth chart behind Reggie Bush and Joique Bell. Leshoure shouldn't take his spot on the 53-man roster for granted.

Source: Tim Twentyman on Twitter

The Lions will not exercise DT Nick Fairley's fifth-year option for 2015. It means he'll be an unrestricted free agent next offseason. According to the team's official website, GM Martin Mayhew wants Fairley motivated for 2015, and doesn't believe he's a "$5.5 million player right now." The No. 13 overall pick of the 2011 draft, Fairley has dealt with weight and injury issues. A consistent and healthy 2014 could result in a monster payday

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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:20 PM

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I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.



*Suh, Megatron & Best*

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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:35 PM

Nick Fairley's option not being picked up? 


Im shocked that this isnt being discussed.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:35 PM

Re: Lions make a couple of questionable calls... 


Rather pay Fairley 5 million a season, then pay Suh 12 or 13 million a year.
LionsSlashWings wrote:

I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.

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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:36 PM

Re: Nick Fairley's option not being picked up? 


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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:45 PM

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Probably means that the Lions will be looking at the DT position in the draft, especially with the possibility we could lose both Fairley and Suh. Couple things to think about, maybe a transition to a 3-4 defense, even if we resign Suh? Ziggy and Suh at the end positions and a NT to anchor the middle?
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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:50 PM

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Suh's work ethic & conditioning is unquestioned. And he's a:

- a 2 time ALL-PRO
- defensive rookie of the year in 2010
- since 2010, no other DT has accumulated more QB hurries & pressures
- no other DT (besides Atkins) has accumulated more sacks in that span
- in 2013, PFF graded him as the 2nd best DT

- and I don't have an actual number, but I think it's fair to say one would be hard pressed to find any another DT that's taken on as many double teams in that span as well.

And Fairley... ?


everyniciuseistaken wrote: Rather pay Fairley 5 million a season, then pay Suh 12 or 13 million a year.
LionsSlashWings wrote:

I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.



*Suh, Megatron & Best*

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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:55 PM

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Yeah he is a great player..but not worth that amount of money, plus the Lions have won squat with the big 3 contracts.
LionsSlashWings wrote: Suh's work ethic & conditioning is unquestioned. And he's a:

- a 2 time ALL-PRO
- defensive rookie of the year in 2010
- since 2010, no other DT has accumulated more QB hurries & pressures
- no other DT (besides Atkins) has accumulated more sacks in that span
- in 2013, PFF graded him as the 2nd best DT

- and I don't have an actual number, but I think it's fair to say one would be hard pressed to find any another DT that's taken on as many double teams in that span as well.

And Fairley... ?


everyniciuseistaken wrote: Rather pay Fairley 5 million a season, then pay Suh 12 or 13 million a year.
LionsSlashWings wrote:

I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.

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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:29 PM

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The big 3 are what puts butts in Ford Field. None of them are going anywhere until they retire or no longer play at a high level.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:43 PM

Re: Nick Fairley's option not being picked up? 


Just hearing about it from you Ed. Damn, I don't know what to say. I think this whole city is in a brain freeze about all our sports teams. They are all in such a state of flux. Everyday it's a different story about someone else on one of our teams, and none of it seems good. We're all in wait and see mode, because our teams just aren't operating in a "normal" fashion—even for them!
As for Fairley...it seems like a good motivation idea for him. "Play to get paid". Problem is, I think no matter how well he plays next season, I think he'll hold a grudge and I think he will play elsewhere next year.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:49 PM

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I think athletes are over-paid in general, but as it pertains to Suh, for what he's done, has lived up to his end of the bargain at least (all things considered).. wouldn't you agree?

And Fairley?...

It's not Suh's fault the Schwartz build philosophy up front didn't shatter the record books. That is the approach they took up front at the sacrifice of leaving holes on that back end. Can't win too many games like that.

everyniciuseistaken wrote: Yeah he is a great player..but not worth that amount of money, plus the Lions have won squat with the big 3 contracts.
LionsSlashWings wrote: Suh's work ethic & conditioning is unquestioned. And he's a:

- a 2 time ALL-PRO
- defensive rookie of the year in 2010
- since 2010, no other DT has accumulated more QB hurries & pressures
- no other DT (besides Atkins) has accumulated more sacks in that span
- in 2013, PFF graded him as the 2nd best DT

- and I don't have an actual number, but I think it's fair to say one would be hard pressed to find any another DT that's taken on as many double teams in that span as well.

And Fairley... ?


everyniciuseistaken wrote: Rather pay Fairley 5 million a season, then pay Suh 12 or 13 million a year.
LionsSlashWings wrote:

I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.



*Suh, Megatron & Best*

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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:54 PM

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lionking299 wrote: Probably means that the Lions will be looking at the DT position in the draft, especially with the possibility we could lose both Fairley and Suh. Couple things to think about, maybe a transition to a 3-4 defense, even if we resign Suh? Ziggy and Suh at the end positions and a NT to anchor the middle?
Ziggy isn't big enough to play end in a 3-4.  Most ends are 300+ pounds.  Ziggy is around 270.  He'd have to gain some major weight and IMO, it's really not suited to his skill-set.

When healthy, the Packers three starting lineman last year were:  Johnny Jolly (325), BJ Raji (337), Ryan Pickett (340).
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:24 PM

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Long time, no see CM3beast. what you guys looking for in the draft?
gkelly: Stafford can always put these together when the game is out of reach.  He's simply a fantasy football QB who racks up stats in garbage time.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:29 PM

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Hey buddy!  Hope things are going well.

If I were GM, I'd be looking at Safety and LB, but a lot of Mocks have us going after Ebron (if still available).  Knowing Thompson though, it's really a crap shoot.  I never know what we're in for when it comes to 1st rounders.  It's clear to me that the offense isn't the problem with the team, so, as enticing as Ebron is, I think it would be a mistake to spend the 1st on O.  I'd love to get Dix or Pryor, but they might both be gone by the time the Pack picks. 

I'm just excited for the draft period.  It's so deep.  Can't wait to see what the NFC North brings us this season after such a disappointing year for all 4 teams.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:37 PM

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I wonder if that brings the DT's into the draft discussion.

It sure is a good thing we didn't draft Quinn.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:48 PM

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I just want the Lions to win..but I don't see that happening with 3 huge contracts on the book, just my opinion. Really interested to see if the Lions go 6-10 what happens with Mayhew.
LionsSlashWings wrote: I think athletes are over-paid in general, but as it pertains to Suh, for what he's done, has lived up to his end of the bargain at least (all things considered).. wouldn't you agree?

And Fairley?...

It's not Suh's fault the Schwartz build philosophy up front didn't shatter the record books. That is the approach they took up front at the sacrifice of leaving holes on that back end. Can't win too many games like that.

everyniciuseistaken wrote: Yeah he is a great player..but not worth that amount of money, plus the Lions have won squat with the big 3 contracts.
LionsSlashWings wrote: Suh's work ethic & conditioning is unquestioned. And he's a:

- a 2 time ALL-PRO
- defensive rookie of the year in 2010
- since 2010, no other DT has accumulated more QB hurries & pressures
- no other DT (besides Atkins) has accumulated more sacks in that span
- in 2013, PFF graded him as the 2nd best DT

- and I don't have an actual number, but I think it's fair to say one would be hard pressed to find any another DT that's taken on as many double teams in that span as well.

And Fairley... ?


everyniciuseistaken wrote: Rather pay Fairley 5 million a season, then pay Suh 12 or 13 million a year.
LionsSlashWings wrote:

I think this is a good ploy on Mayhew’s part. Either:


a) it’s a good motivational tactic, forcing Fairley to shape up once & for all and prove his worth finally. Or..
b) He continues down the same path and doesn’t meet the challenge, thus forcing the Lions to cut their losses.


Let’s face it. The likelihood of Suh & Fairley co-existing for very long was slim to begin with. To me, it was either or, and only a matter of time before the inevitable reared it’s ugly head. That being that you can’t expect to keep 2 1st RD DT’s on the roster for very long. Even if they both become studs.. it’s just not financially feasible to commit that kind of money on 2 DT’s.


The Earthquake/Typhoon wrestling tag-team was nice in theory, but ya gotta have some semblance of balance on your roster. Not overload at one position.

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Posted: 3/24/2014 5:08 PM

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I wonder what they could get for Fairley this year... A second round pick?
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Posted: 3/24/2014 5:15 PM

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1) I don't think saying it matters since Mayhew likely will be able to keep Fairley next year regardless of what he says now. I believe its just motivation tatic.

2) If Suh gets 12-13 Million a year I will picket outside for a week the day contract is announced. I don't see that happening. Again I think he will make slightly more then Atkins with more guaranteed money.

3) LeShoure fell into Doghouse with Schwartz and Co IMO and I think he may surprise next year.

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Posted: 3/24/2014 5:47 PM

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Actually Ziggy could easily play a 3-4 DE. He has the frame to easily add 10-20 lbs, and most importantly he has the power.

I think he is best suited in a 4-3 playing as a 7-9 tech, but he could easily play a 5 in a 3-4 and still be a heckuva football player.
CM3Beast wrote:
lionking299 wrote: Probably means that the Lions will be looking at the DT position in the draft, especially with the possibility we could lose both Fairley and Suh. Couple things to think about, maybe a transition to a 3-4 defense, even if we resign Suh? Ziggy and Suh at the end positions and a NT to anchor the middle?
Ziggy isn't big enough to play end in a 3-4.  Most ends are 300+ pounds.  Ziggy is around 270.  He'd have to gain some major weight and IMO, it's really not suited to his skill-set.

When healthy, the Packers three starting lineman last year were:  Johnny Jolly (325), BJ Raji (337), Ryan Pickett (340).
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Posted: 3/24/2014 6:20 PM

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i feel a heck of a lot better now about our def tackle position now that we re-signed fluellen   

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