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ARC get HS commits

Posted: 03/10/2012 9:01 PM

ARC get HS commits 


 

 

 

 

Last edited 03/12/2012 8:06 PM by broncosportstalk

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Posted: 03/11/2012 12:30 PM

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Congratulations to the Beavers and to all of the student-athletes that made the very wise decision to make ARC their new home!

I took a look at their website www.arcfootball.com and they have a lot of their top guys coming back from last season. (QB/RB/2WR/2OL, 2DL/2LB/3DB).  Added with the quality of these guys listed above i think they will be favorite to win the Valley next season. They have beat delta 2 years in a row last season by a near 50 point margin and in 2008 they beat Fresno with a much less talented team when Fresno was ranked #1 in Norcal right after beating Bakersfield and CCSF. It took Fresno a last second FG to beat them in 2009. With the talent that has amassed on ARC's campus over the last 2 years they will be a force to be reckon with.
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Posted: 03/11/2012 1:22 PM

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I am not aware that kids "sign" to a JC.  You may egt a verbal committment, but that is bout it.
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Posted: 03/11/2012 11:02 PM

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From what I know, it holds ZERO value. The players are not held to anything based upon this. You are not part of a school till you take your 1st class.
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Posted: 03/12/2012 2:24 AM

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ARC just reloaded and will be a force to reckon with for at least a few years from the look of things. This is a D1 squad parading as a JC....lol...Looking forward to watching some of their games.
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Posted: 03/12/2012 2:15 PM

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haha! this is laughable propaganda. Anyone who knows anything about JC football knows that this is driven at the uneducated person.

Let’s start here. JC Steiner is right. You can't "sign" with a JC out of high school. You can tell the coaches, "yea" I’m coming. But that's it. Until you are enrolled for the fall and showing up "committing" means nothing.

Second, I love how the person who wrote this put the schools that offered or "recruited" the athletes before they picked ARC. Seriously? Saying someone was "recruited" by USC could mean they went to a USC camp, they got a pre-sorted letter in the mail saying to come check us out, among other things. And when we see the word that he had "offers" from these big Pac-12 schools...don't you mean he had offers from them until he didn't qualify academically? You don't really expect us to think this guy picked ARC over a true Pac-12 offer right?

That being said, the poster is correct about this. ARC will get several of these guys with their inflated bios. They will also undoubtedly be very good next year. ARC is a fine program. Haflich is first a class guy and one heck of a coach. His staff is first rate as well. They will win lots of games and contend for a Valley Conference title. That’s why I find it hard to believe that he would sign off on someone bulleting his name on a post like this.

I wonder what the COA would think if they found out that ARC staffers really put out a release like this? Hmmmm.

Last edited 03/12/2012 3:25 PM by mgodi

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Posted: 03/12/2012 2:30 PM

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Agree with your take 100%............  I don`t believe that coaching staff at ARC signed off on this.. if so, they have violations coming !!!
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Posted: 03/12/2012 5:19 PM

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There are no violations, ARC holds a ceremony/celebration for high school kids to officially commit to come to ARC. There is no legal contract, no letter of intent. They are very upfront about it and say that it is nothing more then a hand shake but it is taken very seriously. My son signed on commitment day a couple years back and it was a great day for him. It made him feel special and wanted like all of the 4 year guys do. It was also a relief and a great sense of closure to the recruiting process which in my opinion is outrageous at the JC level. It seems as if there are no rules. Tisdale was rude and pushy and called every night. It might have been the most annoying thing ever. He tried to bully my son to playing at sierra and when he found out he had sign with ARC he cursed him out. But then tried calling back during the summer. Absolutely ridiculous. When we spanked them in 09 it was such a great feeling. lol
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Posted: 03/12/2012 5:35 PM

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You said the recruits signed to play at ARC.............. what did they sign ??? There is nothing to sign to attend a JC..........
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Posted: 03/12/2012 6:15 PM

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So they "signed" a napkin? A coaster? Sweet! I'm gonna tell people I signed with Stanford! Technically it's true. When I bought tickets to see them play a couple years ago I had to sign the recipt when I paid at the box office. I paid credit card. That means I"m a Stanford signee! Whoo hoo!

Last edited 03/12/2012 6:15 PM by mgodi

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Posted: 03/12/2012 6:24 PM

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They sign a letter of commitment. Basically saying they will attend in summer/fall. A hand shake on paper. It is not a legal document. But i loved it. and so did the recruits. As far as the mockery i would say this; in 2006-2007 ARC was a combined 7-13. They started this signing day the next off season and they are 33-10 since and 21-1 in the past 2 seasons. Each year they play with more and more DI caliber players. This next season they will only be better.

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Posted: 03/12/2012 6:50 PM

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Seriously mgodi?  This is what you're complaining about?  What exactly is wrong with announcing kids intentions?  It makes them feel like part of the team and gets them fired up to play for the Beavers. 

I'm thinking that a team who has just gone 21-1 and won two bowl championships would have lots of kids interested in playing for them.  I would think that this is ARC's way of welcoming them to the program.
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Posted: 03/12/2012 8:11 PM

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What is wrong is that it can't happen. The players can't commit to a school till they attend. Its not a ARC thing, its making a player think they made a commitment when they have not. I say wait till the players are attending classes on the campus before you make an announcement like this.
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Posted: 03/12/2012 9:53 PM

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I didnt know JuCos had signing days, didn't even know Jucos were supposed to recruit always thought it was players who made first contact, correct?
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Posted: 03/13/2012 1:43 AM

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First there was absolutely no deceit what so ever in how ARC approaches signing day. They set a date that they want your commitment by. And then recruiting is over for the kids. They start to begin to become part of the team. No longer a recruit. There was never any mention that we could not change our mind and go somewhere else. But rather an understanding that they were committing to us and we to them. Its a two way street.

Allowing recruiting to go all the way up to the fall is extremely unfair to the kid, their family, the coaches and the team. It is ridiculous to think that it is in the students best interest to be able to be swayed, lied to, angled at, recruited that late in the enrollment process. If you are a student athlete and you have not registered for classes by May. you are not going to get classes. Let alone in July. I have seen players in the summer fall victim to the used car salesmen, ugh i mean JC football coach,  Coach Carter/Pollock/etc. yes i am talking about you. It is never a happy ending.

I think that 1 extreme or the other needs to happen. either go back to the "true" purpose of JC football and only allow players from your immediate area to play. no more contiguous borders. Make the kids play locally and then more kids would get the opportunity to play. Shut out the out of state transfers. make them gain residency before being allowed participation. The tax payers are paying for the team to be able to play. So their kids should get first priority.

Or, go the opposite direction and open it all up. No borders throughout the entire state. No first contact rules except for out of state players. But change the time line to the summer. So that once they enroll in a class in the summer they are committed to that school for a season. I really wish they could make it sooner then that and have a letter of intent they could sign. The kids need to make the choice in March so they can get registered on time in May. Especially now that the NCAA idiots have made the requirements for non-qualifiers to transfer to a 4 year in 4 semesters almost impossible with the new rule changes.

Last edited 03/13/2012 1:46 AM by NorCalJCGuru

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Posted: 03/13/2012 12:14 PM

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I lean on the side that it's a bit hokie. BUT, if that is the effort they want to put into their players, then more power to them and I hope it works! I don't think for one second ARC is trying to manipulate anybody, I do believe that each player on that list whether they are really committed or not, felt pretty good about reading that. What is wrong with raising the standard? If ARC wins the championship, which isn't out of the question, I bet you see a lot more of those lists. Go Beavs!
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Posted: 03/13/2012 2:29 PM

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I tend to agree with JC Steiner on this one.............. to give the impression to these young men that they have commited to ARC by signing this document is wrong............. as impressionable as they are at this age I am sure that some believe that they are not in a position after " signing " to change their minds and go elsewhere !!!! This is wrong whether  it is intentional or not, to give the impression that they are committed to this school...

Last edited 03/13/2012 5:55 PM by NCoast65

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Posted: 03/15/2012 2:06 PM

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Norcaljcguru those are some bold words putting coaches names on blast on here. If you are bold enough to call them used car salesmen, would you have the nutts to post your own name on here as well?

Didnt think so.
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Posted: 03/17/2012 2:19 PM

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There is no JC-Signing day, so by claiming there is one it can effect other schools which don't have it. There is something wrong with posting things that don't exist. Put a disclaimer on the release that says that these players are not held to this or that this signing day is not approved by the CCCAA and I have no problem, but by releasing this information from a school official, I can't agree with this.
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Posted: 03/17/2012 7:38 PM

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I applaud the ARC program for this effort at building pride in their program.

I also applaud those on this board who point out suggestions that would make this particular
practice more accurate as to legal equities and procedures.

Bottom line --JC Football is in a competitive situation, fighting budget reviews, fighting other football products, including the fabulously successful NFL and NCAA ---

so whenever I see someone doing something to raise the level of JC Footall
I support that

but I also support those like JC Steiner who offer good faith suggestions that make these
effort come forward correctly.

given all that:

let's see if other programs adopt this effort

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