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eligibility question

Posted: 12/31/2011 3:07 PM

eligibility question 


I'm trying to figure out how many years of football i have left in both division 1 and division 2. I've graduated highschool in 2008

Fall 2008 i went to an local community college (school does not have the sport of football at all) full-time.. I had the urge to still play football so i transferred to an Juco out of state in spring 2009 fulltime but that Juco ended up dropping the sport of football right before spring ball later in the the semester... I transferred again to an Juco in northern California for fall 2009 fulltime and redshirted but played in 2010 and this past fall 2011. I basically want to know when did my clock for division 1 start and how many years do i have left? Also how many years do i have for division 2 since it might be different?
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Posted: 12/31/2011 7:26 PM

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ncaa323818 wrote: I'm trying to figure out how many years of football i have left in both division 1 and division 2. I've graduated highschool in 2008

Fall 2008 i went to an local community college (school does not have the sport of football at all) full-time.. I had the urge to still play football so i transferred to an Juco out of state in spring 2009 fulltime but that Juco ended up dropping the sport of football right before spring ball later in the the semester... I transferred again to an Juco in northern California for fall 2009 fulltime and redshirted but played in 2010 and this past fall 2011. I basically want to know when did my clock for division 1 start and how many years do i have left? Also how many years do i have for division 2 since it might be different?
Like NCoast told you on the So Cal Board your clock started when you enrolled in 12 units or more even if the JC  you started at didn"t have Football.

So when the clock starts you have 5 to play 4 meaning you have 1 yr for RS and 4 yrs to play FB. I know others will chime in with other slants, but basically that's the jest of it.

Even in D 2 you most likely only have one year of eligebillity. What you want to do is deceide what school you want to play at and contact the Staff there they can give you the correct answer, and a lot of times they can steer you to a school that needs players and get you connected to them.

You'll be surprised at how helpfull the Coaching staffs at just about all of the schools will be
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Posted: 12/31/2011 11:36 PM

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Also, the NCAA has an 800 number for eligibility questions.

NAIA is a lot less rigid regarding a players eligibilty clock.
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Posted: 01/01/2012 10:31 AM

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To clarify what I stated earlier......

1) Your clock starts when you enroll in 12 units whether you attend even 1 day in the class
2) 11 units or less don`t count against your clock.......... but
3) NCAA says you must make progress toward a degree by taking 24 units per year...... and
4) You can make up a total of a maximum of 6 units only by enrolling in summer school
5) D2 says you have 10 semesters to play 8 semesters enrolled in 12 or more units.... but progress toward a degree of 24 units per year is the catcher !!!!

PS................  seek out the schools NCAA compliance official for advise .... they will be most helpful

Last edited 01/01/2012 10:33 AM by NCoast65

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Posted: 01/01/2012 5:01 PM

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Another quick question since i only played 2 years and red-shirted one but only have a year of football left since my clock started in fall 2008. In d2 they give you 10 semesters to play 4 years. I'm due to earn my Bachelor Degree in criminal justice in Fall 2012 in which i plan to play. My question is since ill be graduating in the fall in theirs no need for me to attend school the following spring. Could I comeback for my master degree and play the following fall 2013 since i would have had 1 more semester left of eligibility left in d2 football.
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Posted: 01/14/2012 4:47 PM

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Taking a semester off at the DII level is relatively common for players transfering in.  It is used as a method of extending eligibility when the player is close to bumping against their 10-semester limit.  DII also has an interesting slant on what "competition" is concerning eligibility.  Here's how it worked for QB Zach Amedro at West Liberty.  Amedro was recruited by App State and was on their team for two years (Used a total of four semesters of DII eligibility, fall & spring freshman and sophmore year).  He transfered to WLU and played four on field years.  His first two years at WLU he played and partisipated in both the fall and spring (four DII semesters used for a total including his App State time of 8).  He played in the fall of his third year (total 9) but took the spring off and used his 10'th semester the following fall.  On the surface it looks like he "played" for six years (2 at App and 4 at WLU) BUT the NCAA didn't consider his two years at App as "competition" since he didn't get into any games.

WLU has a D1 transfer QB that is doing somthing similar to you with regard to graduate school.

I'm no expert in the inter workings of the NCAA but it certainly seems like you could extend your on-field eligibility to two years.  My advice would be to contact a DII school that is experienced in doing this and see if they are interested in having you play for them.  Hummm, what school has experience doing this sort of thing???? wink

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Posted: 01/15/2012 6:35 AM

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oldscout09 wrote:

Taking a semester off at the DII level is relatively common for players transfering in.  It is used as a method of extending eligibility when the player is close to bumping against their 10-semester limit.  DII also has an interesting slant on what "competition" is concerning eligibility.  Here's how it worked for QB Zach Amedro at West Liberty.  Amedro was recruited by App State and was on their team for two years (Used a total of four semesters of DII eligibility, fall & spring freshman and sophmore year).  He transfered to WLU and played four on field years.  His first two years at WLU he played and partisipated in both the fall and spring (four DII semesters used for a total including his App State time of 8).  He played in the fall of his third year (total 9) but took the spring off and used his 10'th semester the following fall.  On the surface it looks like he "played" for six years (2 at App and 4 at WLU) BUT the NCAA didn't consider his two years at App as "competition" since he didn't get into any games.

WLU has a D1 transfer QB that is doing somthing similar to you with regard to graduate school.

I'm no expert in the inter workings of the NCAA but it certainly seems like you could extend your on-field eligibility to two years.  My advice would be to contact a DII school that is experienced in doing this and see if they are interested in having you play for them.  Hummm, what school has experience doing this sort of thing???? wink

Good points. Actually a player could take 11 hours instead of "taking off" a semester. The 10 semesters only count if they are full time. The glitch is that players must pass 24 hours to be eligible each year.
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Posted: 01/16/2012 7:57 PM

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That's where Summer School would come in!biggrin. 22 units during the year and 3 with summer school. Or, if you could pass 15 in the fall, and play, then take 9-11 in the spring and still be able to play the next fall. There are numerous ways to work it. See your coach and Athletic counselor to find out what is the best option for all.biggrin
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Posted: 01/17/2012 2:50 PM

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There are a number of ways to work the system.  The key terms and numbers are "competition", 10 and 4.  At the DII level, if you are not part of the team (not partisipating in official team sanctioned practices or activities) then according to the NCAA, you are not "competing" and the semester(s) you do this don't count against your 10.  Couple of years back West Liberty had a punter who went to a D1 college for one semester (which started his D1 clock) dropped out for five years, came back to football and college via the JUCO route for two years and finished up his college career playing for two years at WLU.  Guy was close to 30 when he graduated!

Point is that the rules for DII's are TOTALLY different than for D1 at almost every level...eligibility requirements are different...qualification requirements are different...etc.
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Posted: 01/18/2012 6:05 AM

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So basically i would actually have 4 semesters to play football since my first year of fulltime college in 2008 i attended a school without a football program. The fact that i did not compete/ no competition. That year never counted towards my 10 semester clock
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Posted: 01/18/2012 11:59 AM

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ncaa323818 wrote: So basically i would actually have 4 semesters to play football since my first year of fulltime college in 2008 i attended a school without a football program. The fact that i did not compete/ no competition. That year never counted towards my 10 semester clock

Actually no.....

WHEN THE CLOCK STARTS:
D1/D2/D3: You first register as a FULL TIME (12+ credit hours) student at a recognized college/university, NOT if/when you complete said credits. If you drop/withdraw from a class that drops you below 12 credit hours, your clock still runs, but you immediately become ineligible for practice/play until you become full time again.

D1 eligibility clock begins. The D1 clock is a constant clock, it never stops, so regardless if you participate or not, regardless if you take only 6 credits for a semester or drop from college completely, the D1 clock still runs until it ends 4 years later -- of course red shirt rules apply too. If you already are in college, the moment you signed up as a full time student your D1 clock started.

D2 and D3 clock counts down 1 semester from the 10 semester clock. The difference is that the D2/D3 clock only takes 1 semester at a time only when you register as a full time student on a semester by semester basis, so if you sign up for 6 credit hours you will not lose a D2/D3 semester of eligibility, however you won't be able to participate in athletics as the NCAA requires full time status to be eligibile to play.

The main thing is that the NCAA clocks are affected by your student status, regardless if you play sports or not. Also keep in mind that no matter what level of college athletics you participate in, all 3 NCAA divisions overlap -- in that if you are at a D1 school, not only is your D1 clock counting down when you first become a full time student, but every time you register as a full time student every following semester your D2/D3 clock also counts down, 1 semester at a time.
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Posted: 01/18/2012 12:07 PM

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Great explanation............  best thing to do is check with the schools NCAA compliance officer. The progress toward a degree also has to be met but can be appealed by the school first to the conference and if favorable then the appeal goes to the NCAA. The NCAA generally accepts the conference ruling ........... thus a D2 is less stringent than a D1 program.... main issue is 12 units equals a semester and 24 units per year..... you might have to submit an academic plan but the compliance officer at your school should help you with it.
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Posted: 01/20/2012 6:46 AM

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I can only speak to what I've observed.  QB Zach Amedro was part of the App State football team (partisipated in practice and played in the spring game) during his freshman and sophmore years.  He transfered to West Liberty during the summer after his sophmore year played in the fall and spring for the next two years, played in the fall of the following year, took the spring off and played the fall of the next season.  Given the success of Amedro (one of the best QB's in DII history), I know of at least three programs that questioned the NCAA on his eligibility and at every turn, the NCAA said he was eligible.  One of the prime complaints was that if he was on the App State team (and partisipated in practice) for two full years, how could he have four years of on field eligibility.  Reason given was that the NCAA has its own definition of "competition" that doesn't necessarily include just practicing with the team.

I also recall a case were a guy went to college and earned a Bachelors degree in five years.  Went into the world and worked for several years.  Enrolled in Grad school and played DII ball for the two years he was there. 

One side note, the NCAA will at times reach eligibility decisions that seem to run counter to its rules so trying to pick up a rule book and determine your exact eligibility can be difficult.  As I said before, contact a school you are interested in and they should be able to give you an idea of what your complicated situation would result in eligibility wise.  But I would note that the NCAA has the final word and they may reach a conclusion that is completely different that what the coaches think your eligibility would be...and the NCAA has the FINAL word!
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