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CCSF 20-17 over ARC 2ndQ

Posted: 11/24/2012 1:52 PM

CCSF 20-17 over ARC 2ndQ 


12 minutes left in the 2nd
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Posted: 11/24/2012 2:11 PM

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Thanks Pressman, sounds like its going to be a great game!  we appreciate the updatescool
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Posted: 11/24/2012 2:30 PM

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34-17 at the half CCSF
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:32 PM

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34-23 starting the 4th. ARC just blocked a FG.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:39 PM

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34-29. ARC scores on a QB run and PAT is blocked.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:48 PM

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41-29 city on a short TD pass. ARC long KO run back called back by penalty.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 4:05 PM

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41-36 less then 2 minutes left.
ARC recovers onside kick at the 50
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Posted: 11/24/2012 4:16 PM

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ARC scores with no time left. Called back by penalty.
Last play now with no time left.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 4:32 PM

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Congrats to ARC and CCSF for an exciting championship game! Kudos to the announcers, they did a great job with the play by play calling.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:05 PM

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wow! what a game!!!devotae booker definitely made a difference being healthy the whole 4 quarters. great game.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:44 PM

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Wild finish at the end.
ARC scores with no time left. Called back by offsides I think.
Next play inc. pass and penalty on City for personal foul.
Puts ball at 11 yard line.
Next play inc pass short of the receiver near goal line.
Everybody is looking around to see if a flag is thrown.

ARC was hurt by penalties all day.
Big plays were called by.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:49 PM

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The big difference in this game was the officials. Very one- sided in the calls, including taking three ARC scores off of the board. The final score was done and the official threw a flag AFTER the play to screw ARC out pf the championship. It's too bad the officials were not up to the level of the play on the field. The stadium was very vocal in their displeasure with the officials after the game.

Both teams played well - sort of even in the first qtr, CCSF dominated the 2nd qtr and ARC dominated the 2nd half. And the officials decided the winner. Literally.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:13 PM

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VOR, the flag was thrown at the start of the play. ARC should have been called for illegal substitution on the play, they switched out a WR after they broke the hurdle. The penalty was changed from to many men in the backfield to false start which was what gave them the extra plays.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:34 PM

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whoa whoa, lets not put this on the refs,ARC was hurt by penalties period. calls were not one sided, but overall team discipline was.CCSF got thier fair share of calls as well. As far as the last play, the flag was thrown immediately, so to say the refs cost the game is poor sportsmanship. Penalties is what killed ARC in the first game and is what hurt them today. ARC linemen were providing CCSF players with plenty of extra activity after the whistle. I sat right in the middle of the ARC crowd toward the north endzone and even the parents were yelling at thier players to stop with shove matches after the play. A few even ripped the helmets off CCSF players including on the last play of the game. Was a great game, ARC seemed to always throw away from 45 McCauley, and QB Hicks did a good job keeping plays alive. Booker is a beast and Utah will appreciate his services. Great game from CCSF spivey and company a well, Im looking forward to the state game in 2 weeks.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:51 PM

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ARC does not huddle, so subbing a WR is perfectly legal.

The flag was thrown late - after the play. Lots of folks siting at that end all saw the same thing.

CCSF was the team ripping helmets off the ARC players (the CCSF DL). And the officials were not calling it. But they did call the ARC players for retaliating. They did a very poor job controlling the game. That is why the entire stadium boo'd the officials as they ran off.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:52 PM

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VOR59 wrote: The big difference in this game was the officials. Very one- sided in the calls, including taking three ARC scores off of the board. The final score was done and the official threw a flag AFTER the play to screw ARC out pf the championship. It's too bad the officials were not up to the level of the play on the field. The stadium was very vocal in their displeasure with the officials after the game.

Both teams played well - sort of even in the first qtr, CCSF dominated the 2nd qtr and ARC dominated the 2nd half. And the officials decided the winner. Literally.
One team being flagged 18 times for 160 plus yards is absolutely ridiculous in a championship game.  That was bad enough, but add in CCSF's 10 penalties for 100 yards and we can see the refs had absolutely no control of the game.   

I realize that ARC is a penalty machine and has been for three years but having three scores taken off the board?  That's a 21 point swing and it seems awful excessive.  ARC will be looking back at a lot of "what-ifs" and it just doesn't seem fair.

Unfortunately, their penchant for having flags thrown their way finally caught up to them - and it's the achilles heel of this team which has to be addressed for next years team.

Despite the flags and being down late, ARC came back and almost overcame it all.  It came down to the last play.  Props to the Beavers in their first season in the big leagues - they truly proved that they belong.

Last edited 11/24/2012 6:57 PM by squid725

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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:56 PM

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Very dramatic finish, CCSF survived non-decisive 2nd half play and a very strong ARC comeback effort.  The last minute of the game left the whole stadium exhausted, when the final play ended, and the officials began to signal "game over" and left the field, it seemed everyone was left uncertain as to what had just happened.  The final minute after the on sides kick recovery had a number of critical officials calls, especially as to why the clock kept running after an apparent CCSF sack with 18 seconds left. Then there were three "final plays", one of which was an apparent game winning TD. When the game finally ended, there were no celebrations, almost no noise of any kind. Everyone seemed stunned that it was over.

Beavers Mike Hicks and Devontae Booker had very big days running the ball, and Tyler Trosin had 124 yrds receiving.  But ARC was hurt by 150 yrds in penalties and 4 turnovers.

CCSF was led by Andrew Spivey's 4 TD passes and 278 yrds (one int), Dezmon Epps and Drake Whitehurst were very solid receiving all day. Kris Olugbode provided 143 yards rushing.

This game contained an intensity that explains some of the imperfections that might appear from the stat sheet.  In two weeks Northern California will be sending to the championship game a team that has survived mighty challenges from DVC, Fresno, ARC, DeAnza, San Mateo, and fell to Butte.  I think all of those games will help make the Rams a very tough opponent in the final game.

Tremendous season, congratulations to all who produced it.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:22 PM

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You may not sub a player once he is lined up. ARC did that. That should have been a substitution penalty according to the rules, at worst the Umpire should have stood over the ball to allow CCSF to adjust to the sub. The player followed the player almost out of bounds then had to cover the player who came in because he didn't see the sub. 

Here is the rule. They went to the line so I believe this is the correct rule from the NCAA:

While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution Team A is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes.

PENALTY—(First Offense)—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly, or delay of game on Team A for causing the play clock to expire. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S21]. The referee will then notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:45 PM

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JC Steiner:  thanks for the explanation, that matches exactly what I saw, and the flag was on the ground (near the CCSF sideline) before the pass into the end zone.

On the play before that, while QB Mike Hicks was rolling behind the line of scrimmage, looking to pass, he was tackled (sacked) in bounds near the ARC sideline around the 30 yard line with approx 18 seconds left.  ARC had no TOs remaining, but suddenly, the game clock stopped and the referee went to talk to the ARC coaches --he was there for around 4 minutes, and when he came back to set the ball for the snap sequence you are describing, the scoreboard deducted a TO from CCSF -why?--do you know what happened?  it seemed the correct thing would have been for the clock to keep running until ARC could stop it.

Also it is normal in these kinds of games that when the referee judges to game to be over, he takes the ball and holds it up, or gives some type of signal that the game is over ---no one where I was could see anything like that, and with the stadium PA system weak and the referee without a sound outlet, no one could tell what was going on after that last pass sailed out of the end zone.  Is it normal practice for the officials to give a definitive "game over" signal?
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Posted: 11/24/2012 11:58 PM

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I saw the penalty flag right at the start of the play so I assumed it was either the defense lined up in the neutral zone or an illegal formation. 

The next penalty I saw I though the center was more then 2 yards down field and assumed that was the penalty not what was called (I think it was hands to the face). I had ARC with 1 timeout when they called the last one so I'm thinking that they may not have reset it to 3 at the half but to be honest I have no idea but I could only remember two before the final one (CCSF is illegal in having the one scoreboard behind the visiting team and hoping they enforce the rule which allows the visiting team to decide which side they want if the one scoreboard is not able to be seen by both teams). 

I did see some penalties not called on CCSF and I think on the Block Extra Point I saw this on the play: Blocked PAT by CCSF which the ball went passed the LOS and was touched by a CCSF player and recovered in the End Zone by ARC which I would have awarded two points to ARC, but not sure after a Defensive try if there is a fumble is it a live ball, so I could be mistaken on that call.

And earlier VOR59 when I said breaking the hudle I mean the OL went to the LOS.

Last edited 11/25/2012 12:00 AM by JC Steiner

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