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Butler shut out of Region VI awards, again.

Posted: 11/13/2012 6:17 AM

Butler shut out of Region VI awards, again. 


Last year, Butler dominated the conference and was not awarded coach of the year, offensive player of the year, or defensive player of the year.  I posted at that time that it was a bunch of BS.  How is it possible that Butler annihilates the conference, has a historically dominant defense, and still can't manage any award for its players or coaches?  How in the hell does that work?

Well, it happened again.

I don't have a problem with the offensive player of the year.  Marshall is a great athlete, and he put up some numbers.  I would have given it to Barnes.  Smith was Butler's best option for OPOY, but he was injured/ineffective for the last 3 games.  So, fair enough.

But, Tommy Sanders is the best defensive player in the league.  I thought he made a good case for DPOY as a freshman.  They guy is everywhere all the time, and he can fill up the stat sheet.  He's plays the run, plays the pass, and is disruptive all over the field.  He's johny on the spot all the time.  He's the best player on the best defense in the league. 

Troy is the best coach in the league.  Is this seriously debatable?  I mean, if you mow down the entire conference by an average margin of over 40 points and you don't have the OPOY or the DPOY, then how is it possible that you don't have the best coach?  Garden City finished fourth, and fourth doesn't deserve a COY award in my opinion. 

Troy Morrell is 137-16. He is the most dominant coach in the history of junior college football.  He should win the award every year, but most especially in a year like this when there is  no other really strong candidate (ala Independence a few years ago or Fort Scott in '09). 

It's like the conference actively looks for reasons not to give awards to Butler.  This isn't pop warner, and not everyone is a winner.  There is nothing "fair" about spreading awards around to people who have not earned them.  Butler should have taken two of these awards. 

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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:01 AM

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Butler79 wrote:

Last year, Butler dominated the conference and was not awarded coach of the year, offensive player of the year, or defensive player of the year.  I posted at that time that it was a bunch of BS.  How is it possible that Butler annihilates the conference, has a historically dominant defense, and still can't manage any award for its players or coaches?  How in the hell does that work?

Well, it happened again.

I don't have a problem with the offensive player of the year.  Marshall is a great athlete, and he put up some numbers.  I would have given it to Barnes.  Smith was Butler's best option for OPOY, but he was injured/ineffective for the last 3 games.  So, fair enough.

But, Tommy Sanders is the best defensive player in the league.  I thought he made a good case for DPOY as a freshman.  They guy is everywhere all the time, and he can fill up the stat sheet.  He's plays the run, plays the pass, and is disruptive all over the field.  He's johny on the spot all the time.  He's the best player on the best defense in the league. 

Troy is the best coach in the league.  Is this seriously debatable?  I mean, if you mow down the entire conference by an average margin of over 40 points and you don't have the OPOY or the DPOY, then how is it possible that you don't have the best coach?  Garden City finished fourth, and fourth doesn't deserve a COY award in my opinion. 

Troy Morrell is 137-16. He is the most dominant coach in the history of junior college football.  He should win the award every year, but most especially in a year like this when there is  no other really strong candidate (ala Independence a few years ago or Fort Scott in '09). 

It's like the conference actively looks for reasons not to give awards to Butler.  This isn't pop warner, and not everyone is a winner.  There is nothing "fair" about spreading awards around to people who have not earned them.  Butler should have taken two of these awards. 

First of all, let me say if I had a vote, it would have been: Terrell Lane, Tommy Sanders and Troy Morrell. For me, Marshall would have even been behind Luke Barnes and Billy Cosh because of turnovers. Not to say Nick Marshall didn't have a great season because he did and was a big reason Garden City won four more games this year. But Barnes and Cosh are freaks when it comes to accuracy and poise, and Hutch's offense hasn't been the same without Lane.

Having said that, the best teams don't always have the best individuals. Butler won the two biggest trophies of them all in the conference, and that should be good enough.

Last year in baseball, the East and West conference coaches of the year were for fourth-place finishers. Pratt's coach was West coach of the year (and deserved it) with a 15-17 conference record. I think you can make a case for Jeff Tatum to be coach of the year, even if you disagree with it.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:06 AM

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i get what you're saying, brad, but the simple fact that a case has to be made for a certain coach or player to win an award is a reason why they shouldn't win. no one should have to try and justify why a player or coach deserves an award - the record, body of work, or performance should speak for itself.

that being said, based on numbers and what limited youtube video is out there, i'd agree with you about terrell lane.

tommy sanders is the best defensive player in the conference. hell, he may be one of the best in the nation. it is laughable that he was not the DPOY for the jayhawk. the guy is just one piece in the machine of the butler defense, but he is a game changer and a force.

after the last few years, i've come to expect this type of thing. how many times now has troy gone undefeated in conference play and not been awarded the COY? you're right - those are small potatoes, the two biggest 2012 trophies, so far, are in the butler case now, with one more to go.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:07 AM

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Butler, I agree. This sucks.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:41 AM

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Most of us don't see the other teams more than twice at the most.  It is hard to judge the other players against our own.  The coaches look at film of multiple games and can exchange opinions and listen to what their own players think of the guys they play against.  Plus, winning the league convincingly doesn't mean anything about which individual player is most outstanding.  The coach of the year award is another matter.  You might validly argue that the Butler staff should get it every year.  However, in practice it is given to the coach that coaxes an unexpected season out of his team. 

All that being said it is a fact that players appear on the all league teams ahead of some of their own teammates that are recognized by their own coaches and players as better.  Players are picked in part by reputation, what they did last year, what someone expects them to do in the future, or statistics.....etc., etc.   No one should be too upset that a better guy was overlooked.  Heck, there are Jayhawk conference guys in the NFL who never made second team all conference.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:12 AM

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I would not have picked Marshal for the OPOY year because, frankly, the guy is not my type of QB.  I'm not a huge fan of "dual threat" QB's who are more athletes than QBs.  That being said, some people do like them, and Marshal is a great one.

I would have voted for Barnes, but Lane, Smith, and Cosh could have had cases. Had Lane and Smith not been injured, one has to believe that those two would have been strong contenders. 

I suppose a case could have been made for someone other than Sanders.  As was said, I don't get to see all the teams multiple times, but I have a hard time believing that there is a better defender in this league than Sanders.  Hell, I think Sanders is better than Austin Panter was (at least at the JUCO level -- it remains to be seen if his skills and smallish size will translate to higher levels). 

If there is a case for Tatum as COY, let's hear it.  I mean, I think GC was widely expected to finish fourth-ish in the conference, right? And it did finish fourth -- with the supposed best offensive player in the league, no less.  How, exactly, would that indicate that Tatum is more deserving than Morrell, who is the most successfull JUO coach of all time and who beat handily beat every other team in the league without having the best offensive or defensive player (according to the voters)?  No coach significantly exceeded expectations to such a level that he should have beaten out Morrell.  I just don't even see how there can be rational debate on this.  What am I missing? 

What really matters are the trophies in the case, and Butler has those.  That being said, that's no reason to snub individuals of deserving awards.  Sanders and Morrell earned the individual recognition.  Hell, if Butler wins the NC, Morrell may win national COY (although Strohmeier would be deserving, too) -- how would that work?

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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:51 AM

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Butler79 wrote:

Hell, if Butler wins the NC, Morrell may win national COY (although Strohmeier would be deserving, too) -- how would that work?

-it would be very telling of the conference voting if TM wins national COY but not the KJCCC.  kinda funny.

-a strong case can and will be made for Strohmeier as his program is only in its fourth year of existence, right?
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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:42 AM

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Irish2009 wrote:
Butler79 wrote:

Hell, if Butler wins the NC, Morrell may win national COY (although Strohmeier would be deserving, too) -- how would that work?

-it would be very telling of the conference voting if TM wins national COY but not the KJCCC.  kinda funny.

-a strong case can and will be made for Strohmeier as his program is only in its fourth year of existence, right?
Unless Butler blows out IWCC, I think Strohmeier should win.  He started this program 4 years ago, and has taken it to the NC game.  And he did the right thing with the schedule.  He knew that the Iowa conference competition was weak, so he scheduled NMMI, Trinity Valley, and GA Military.   Of course, GM was the only decent team of that bunch, but there was no way Strohmeier could have known that.  He put together what appeared to be a tough non-con schedule and beat them all . . . badly.  Good for him.

Of course, if Butler wipes the field with them, all bets are off.  Morrell should win. 

Note:  I am not predicting a Butler blowout. I think Butler will win, but it should be close.
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