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  • bandrat
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Posted: 11/10/2012 6:34 PM

SEC Fans 


So Alabama gets beat today by a former Big 12 team? I thought Alabama was unbeatable. Man, how sad you Mississippi guys must be. The SEC took a blow today.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:17 PM

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Not only a former Big12 team, but a mediocre Big12 team that NEVER once won the conference and hasn't finished in the top 10 was 1994, but were ineligible for a bowl game that year because of ncaa violations (oh, right, they do fit in the sec, I guess). They have exactly ZERO BCS wins and the last major bowl they won was the 1987 cotton bowl. Before they made the jump to the sec, they had all-time losing records to the acc, big10, pac12, and sec. And now they're going to be one of the better teams in an over-ranked conference.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:27 PM

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Alabama got beat by a good SEC team.

Last edited 11/11/2012 2:27 PM by SouthHasRisen

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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:30 PM

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SouthHasRisen wrote: Alabama got beat by a good SEC team.
who was a mediocre big12 team for the entire existence of the conference. lol.  simply putting them in a new conference didn't magically make them a batter team.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:04 PM

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New coach, new QB
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:56 PM

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This is way better than Sunday funnies. Coffeyville would have won Mississippi this year.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:04 PM

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Haha, that's great... i could realistically see CV winning the MN league. Their QB completed 45% of his passes, the only starting QB in the country less accurate plays for LSU
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Posted: 11/12/2012 12:42 PM

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A&M had a losing record in the Big 12 last year, and that was with a QB that now starts in the NFL.  The SEC is now touting Manziel for Heisman because they think he is more special than he is.  The SEC is getting a taste of something other than "old man" football.  The A&M offense, with Manziel, is not as good as Oklahoma State's let alone Oregon's.  One of the reasons the SEC defenses look so good is that the offenses give in to them.  When LSU played Forida they ran on 3rd and 12 from their own 10.  They wouldn't let Mettenberger throw.  That is the definition of old man football. 

The top five teams in the SEC are very good but they would all have multiple loss seasons if they played real offenses week after week, just like the other good teams in the Big 12  and Pac 12.
 
This year Kentucky lost to both Louisville and W. Kentucky.  Old Miss was hammered by Texas and struggled with FCS Central Arkansas.  Florida barely escaped Lafayette and Bowling Green.  Auburn lost to Clemson and was taken to overtime by Monroe.  Arkansas lost to Monroe and Rutgers.  Vandy lost to Northwestern.  The only notable SEC non-conference win this year was Alabama over Michigan, and we now know that Michigan is a team that can skim by Air Force by 5.  South Carolina and Georgia haven't played a quality non-conference opponent.  LSU did beat a lower level Pac 12 Washington.  Is that supposed to give them credibility?  Last year Georgia started with Boise State and lost by 14 at home.  No wonder they haven't wanted to play anyone tough outside the conference this year.   

The SEC has been passed by time.  A&M is showing that with a rookie QB and one of the lesser teams they have had in years.  They see it and will all be getting on the modern bandwagon now.  Urban Meyer was told he couldn't have a QB run in the SEC but he proved them wrong.  They said that was just Tebow.  Now it is because Manziel is "Heisman special".  The SEC was able to duck a real offense when Bama was voted ahead of Oklahoma State last year (OSU had a higher computer rating).  Earlier in the year West Virginia put up 550 yards on the vaunted Tiger defense but lost on turnovers.  LSU wanted no part of an OSU offense that was much better than West Virginia's.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 1:49 PM

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solid post, jhc.

+1 to you.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:57 AM

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jhcfan wrote: A&M had a losing record in the Big 12 last year, and that was with a QB that now starts in the NFL.  The SEC is now touting Manziel for Heisman because they think he is more special than he is.  The SEC is getting a taste of something other than "old man" football.  The A&M offense, with Manziel, is not as good as Oklahoma State's let alone Oregon's.  One of the reasons the SEC defenses look so good is that the offenses give in to them.  When LSU played Forida they ran on 3rd and 12 from their own 10.  They wouldn't let Mettenberger throw.  That is the definition of old man football. 

The top five teams in the SEC are very good but they would all have multiple loss seasons if they played real offenses week after week, just like the other good teams in the Big 12  and Pac 12.
 
This year Kentucky lost to both Louisville and W. Kentucky.  Old Miss was hammered by Texas and struggled with FCS Central Arkansas.  Florida barely escaped Lafayette and Bowling Green.  Auburn lost to Clemson and was taken to overtime by Monroe.  Arkansas lost to Monroe and Rutgers.  Vandy lost to Northwestern.  The only notable SEC non-conference win this year was Alabama over Michigan, and we now know that Michigan is a team that can skim by Air Force by 5.  South Carolina and Georgia haven't played a quality non-conference opponent.  LSU did beat a lower level Pac 12 Washington.  Is that supposed to give them credibility?  Last year Georgia started with Boise State and lost by 14 at home.  No wonder they haven't wanted to play anyone tough outside the conference this year.   

The SEC has been passed by time.  A&M is showing that with a rookie QB and one of the lesser teams they have had in years.  They see it and will all be getting on the modern bandwagon now.  Urban Meyer was told he couldn't have a QB run in the SEC but he proved them wrong.  They said that was just Tebow.  Now it is because Manziel is "Heisman special".  The SEC was able to duck a real offense when Bama was voted ahead of Oklahoma State last year (OSU had a higher computer rating).  Earlier in the year West Virginia put up 550 yards on the vaunted Tiger defense but lost on turnovers.  LSU wanted no part of an OSU offense that was much better than West Virginia's.
Game results do not lie. 6 national championships in a row. Texas was the top Big 12 team and had their chance to take down the top SEC team and well we all know how that ended up. 6 teams in the top 10 for the SEC right now. 2 in the top 5. Big 12 has what... K state? I guess that gives Big 12 fans something to keep their heads up about. According to ESPN Texas A&M may get a Fiesta Bowl invite so the Big 12 will again get their chance at an SEC team and everyone will SEC that Texas A&M would haven been top 1 or 2 in the Big 12 this year. This is not even really an argument because it will all pan out at the end of the year. Results don't lie. K state is a good team but that's it. The teams in the Big 12 put up video game numbers on offense because there is NO defense. 

As for the Pac 12... HA get real. Overrated year in and year out. Oregon had their chance to beat a top SEC team the last two years and got embarrassed both times.

Like I said this isn't even a debate because it's so pathetic. Just look at the link below.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/colleges/post/_/id/ 4680706/aggies-upset-no-reason-for-big-12-pride
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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:01 AM

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If comparing the ranked Big 12 teams that play the bottom SEC teams, like Texas against Ole Miss, is the best evidence you have then your argument is void. Just not very convincing. Ole Miss still put up 30+ on them. Ole Miss is the laughing stock of the SEC. And mentioning Kentucky? Again they are the laughing stock. And again the Big 12 overrated every year.. OKLAHOMA. It's so miserable hearing how good they should've been.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:25 PM

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Somewhere,  I watch the SEC games every week.  It is not just Ole Miss and Kentucky.  The SEC is very good but this year they are no better than the PAC 12 or Big 12.  The scores of the games the SEC played outside the conference do not lie.  If Ole Miss is so weak then why haven't any SEC teams put up numbers against them like Texas did?  (A&M beat them by 3).  No one in the SEC has come close to doing what Texas did.  Texas lost to W. Virginia in the Big 12 and was blown out by Oklahoma.  They have yet to lose to Kansas State. 

So many SEC teams are currently ranked so high because of the past, not what they've shown this year.    Come on,  Florida?  Show some objectivity.  I'm not saying the SEC isn't as good as the Pac 12 and Big 12.  There just is no evidence this year that they are better and lots of game evidence the conference is slipping.  It is not as if the lesser SEC teams have been beaten by powers from the other conferences.  Those lesser and medium teams have lost to and been played competively by medium and lesser teams from other conferences.  W. Kentucky, Monroe, Louisville, Rutgers, Northwestern.  I won't blame them for losing to Texas and Clemson.  If the top 6 teams in the SEC are really deserving of their high national rankings them they should be clobbering the lesser teams in the conference.  Georgia shouldn't struggle with Kentucky.  LSU shouldn't slip by Auburn by 2.  South Carolina shouldn't struggle with Vandy and have to be helped by the officials at the end.  Georgia and S. Carolina should beat Tennessee by more than 7 and 3.  Maybe the league will show its stuff this weekend when they beat up on Georgia Southern, Wolford, Jacksonville St., Sam Houston, Alabama A&M, and Western Carolina.  What is up with the scheduling of all the patsies late in the season, anyway?  Why is the SEC the only conference that does that?  Other conferences (not the PAC 12) schedule the weak sisters as training games early, but not into the season.  What is the theory down there?   

This is not about Julio Jones or Tim Tebow.  This is about this year.  If you have something from this year I'd like to read it.  I just hope K-State and Oregon don't both lose so that the SEC can luck out again and play a lucky but overrated Notre Dame.  The Irish may have beaten Oklahoma but are clearly just a hollow team waiting to get hammered.

I would actually like to see Texas upset K-State and USC beat Notre Dame so Oregon could play Georgia or Alabama.  That would make you and me both happy.  Instead, the SEC will probably arrange some patsy games with the big 10 and pad those bowl records.  
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:43 PM

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jhcfan wrote: Somewhere,  I watch the SEC games every week.  It is not just Ole Miss and Kentucky.  The SEC is very good but this year they are no better than the PAC 12 or Big 12.  The scores of the games the SEC played outside the conference do not lie.  If Ole Miss is so weak then why haven't any SEC teams put up numbers against them like Texas did?  (A&M beat them by 3).  No one in the SEC has come close to doing what Texas did.  Texas lost to W. Virginia in the Big 12 and was blown out by Oklahoma.  They have yet to lose to Kansas State. 

So many SEC teams are currently ranked so high because of the past, not what they've shown this year.    Come on,  Florida?  Show some objectivity.  I'm not saying the SEC isn't as good as the Pac 12 and Big 12.  There just is no evidence this year that they are better and lots of game evidence the conference is slipping.  It is not as if the lesser SEC teams have been beaten by powers from the other conferences.  Those lesser and medium teams have lost to and been played competively by medium and lesser teams from other conferences.  W. Kentucky, Monroe, Louisville, Rutgers, Northwestern.  I won't blame them for losing to Texas and Clemson.  If the top 6 teams in the SEC are really deserving of their high national rankings them they should be clobbering the lesser teams in the conference.  Georgia shouldn't struggle with Kentucky.  LSU shouldn't slip by Auburn by 2.  South Carolina shouldn't struggle with Vandy and have to be helped by the officials at the end.  Georgia and S. Carolina should beat Tennessee by more than 7 and 3.  Maybe the league will show its stuff this weekend when they beat up on Georgia Southern, Wolford, Jacksonville St., Sam Houston, Alabama A&M, and Western Carolina.  What is up with the scheduling of all the patsies late in the season, anyway?  Why is the SEC the only conference that does that?  Other conferences (not the PAC 12) schedule the weak sisters as training games early, but not into the season.  What is the theory down there?   

This is not about Julio Jones or Tim Tebow.  This is about this year.  If you have something from this year I'd like to read it.  I just hope K-State and Oregon don't both lose so that the SEC can luck out again and play a lucky but overrated Notre Dame.  The Irish may have beaten Oklahoma but are clearly just a hollow team waiting to get hammered.

I would actually like to see Texas upset K-State and USC beat Notre Dame so Oregon could play Georgia or Alabama.  That would make you and me both happy.  Instead, the SEC will probably arrange some patsy games with the big 10 and pad those bowl records.  
I would love to sit here and give a reasonable argument to yours, but the truth is your post is very respectable and factual. I talk a lot crap on here about how good the SEC is but they really are down this year compared to years past, as they were projected to be. I really do try to sit and compare these teams week in and week out from other conferences with the SEC but it's so hard because the style of football is so different. 

I try to compare the high flying offenses like WV and OK state to the defenses of Alabama, LSU, Georgia, etc. but it's tough. We can all agreed that WV and Ok state would not put up 60 and 70 points on these defenses like they do to other teams they play. Another example of that would be Oregon and LSU last year, I know it's not this year but its just an example.

I couldn't give you an exact answer as to why some weeks top teams down here struggle with bottom teams and some weeks top teams blow other top teams out. I've live down here my entire life and have grown up around college football since we have no professional teams besides the Saints to cheer for and can only give you my perception of why games end up so close.

 it's no secret that the SEC is mainly known for ridiculous defense. With that being said, the offenses have never been known to be flashy by any means. People like to call it ole man football, but I see it as NFL football. The teams usually do just enough to win most of the times, especially on the road, and sometimes those blowout games happen just because they cannot match up. Offensive style is dominantly Pro-Style that rides the backs of their running backs and offensive lines and clock control. The main thing that sets offenses down here apart are the teams that are able to recruit players like Julio and give them another offensive advantage. As for the Auburn-LSU game, it's again no lie that LSU's offense was atrocious at the beginning of the season, but they did just enough to get out of Auburn with a W.

Why do they schedule the stat-padding teams in the middle of the season? This does not speak for all schools, especially some of the match ups that are this weekend, but a lot of it has to do with past rivalries that are no more. Example, LSU plays Tulane and La. Tech every year and neither one of these teams have any business being on the field with LSU.

I would love to see Notre Dame lose to USC and Oregon lose and see a SEC-Big 12 national championship game but I don't see it happening. If all else fails I would love to see Notre Dame get demolished in the Sugar Bowl and the second best SEC teams play in the Fiesta Bowl. Notre Dame should've lost to Pitt.

Oh yea, and just to get this off my mind, Florida is a fluke. They are only a 9-1 team at home if they had to play any of those top teams on the road, they would have 3 losses.

But to say that so many SEC teams are ranked so high because of the past is a false statement. Which 1 loss team would beat Alabama or Georgia? What 2 loss teams would beat LSU, South Carolina, or A&M. Anyone who knows football knows that A&M is not the same team they were last year. They are legit this year.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:46 PM

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Just wanted to add that another reason that especially the Pac-12 could not match up with the SEC is because of pure size and speed. It's really not even comparable.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:33 AM

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disbelief  Man, neeze Kansas boys are like a bunch of cry-babies in high-chairs. It's amazing! They can't even accept the obvious. Saying the Big 12 is better than the SEC is like saying pee wee herman is better looking than Miss America.

Just like a post on another topic I read earlier.....Kansas juco is 2-6 in non-conference play? Hmmmm. What have I been telling yall for 5 years about the big bad jayhawk league? noidea But yet, Irish (from his high-chair, with sippie cup in hand) pounds on his high-chair platform; "You Gotta Include Air Force Junior Varsity Pee Wee in there!! They're a non conference matchup!"flushed

Yeah, let's be sure and add ferocious AF Prep in there for them boys. Yeah, oohh yeah, uh huh, yessirrreee!!! That makes it so much more strong looking! Umm Hmm!! disbelief



Alabama simply got slipped up on; that's all. I mean hey, they hadn't lost a game since last mid-season against LSU.
Just watch what happens to Notre Dame if both The Tide and The Gold get to the N.C.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 2:15 PM

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So how does it feel bandrat.. you make a bogus thread like this and the Big 12 can't even handle their own business to make it to the NC. Baylor???? HAHAHAHAHA

can you say Overrated... like every year...

SEC>>>>>>>Pac 12>>ACC>>Big 12=Big 10 just to let you know

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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:57 PM

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This is a juco board. Buco is winningest NJCAA program in the last 15 years. Any argument Pee Wees? Just the facts. Everything else is opinion.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:11 AM

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Funny u midwest/big 12 people know nothing about SEC football....with that being said .....Stats dont lieeek1


The SEC leads the Big 12 in all-time head-to-head match-ups with a 29-18-0 (.617) record.


Over the past 15 years ('98 -'11) the SEC holds a 33-18-0 (.647) advantage.


Against the Big 12's predecessor (the Big Eight) the SEC had a 43-43-6 (.500) record.


Last season (2011-2012), the SEC went 3-0 vs the Big 12banghead


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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:57 AM

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Is this still a juco message board? I keep reading threads with SEC. is this a new juco conference or something?

I'm not sure if the people rambling on in this thread pay more attention to NCAA football or the juco game. You guys realize that a majority of the games are played on the same day in both leagues, right? Sounds like you are so busy watching the FBS games that you aren't watching any juco games on a Thursday/Saturday night.

I'm a Butler fan, which means I root for the guys from our program that move on -- whether it be the SEC, Big 11 (and Kansas), Big 10, PAC 11 (and Colorado), Big East, Mountain West, Sun Belt or the MAC.

And how do us Midwesterners not know about the SEC? I know it's hard for you southerners to figure out, but there's this invention called TV and they have multiple channels and they pretty much show all the major conference games these days. If your hamster isn't too tired from running in his wheel to power your house, you can stay up late and watch the PAC-12 games too. You should check it out sometime. They've even got this DVR thing, where you can record games if you aren't in front of the TV watching it. It's really neat...... Like we don't know about the SEC. ESPN is still in bed with them and talks about them non-stop.... am I right? Or is that Tebow?
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Posted: 11/22/2012 8:25 AM

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blah2 what i mean is you guys dont care to watch SEC just like we dont care to watch Big 12 ...for example if OU is playing Texas and UGA is playing S.Carolina at the same time who would u watch....????? I bet my money u gonna tune in to the big 12 game...just like im gonna watch the SEC game over the big12 ....
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