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Craft talks about 2014 class, or does he?

Posted: 05/25/2014 8:18 PM

Craft talks about 2014 class, or does he? 


I ran across this article this weekend, in which coach Craft is interviewed by the Press Enterprise:
www.pe.com/articles/season-695182-year-state.html

I read some articles last year about this time of year, where he spoke more candidly about his QBS and pics of the competing QBs were shown. It makes me wonder if he has a special QB under his sleeve that he doesn't want anybody to know, or Kuk just can't recruit as some here have said....

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Posted: 05/25/2014 8:23 PM

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I hear there's a 6-5 wunderkind who can throw it 70 yards on target. Who is this guy and where is he from?
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Posted: 05/25/2014 8:29 PM

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I don't know, like I said, in other years they'd say who's on board. All I know what you said before about Wynn and Nick King and Blake McKenzie, the kid that transferred from Fullerton.

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I hear there's a 6-5 wunderkind who can throw it 70 yards on target. Who is this guy and where is he from?

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Posted: 05/26/2014 12:44 PM

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Smart move by Coach Craft, playing his hand close to the vest . . . Why provide information to the public/media when it's not required . . . Do you see other coaches/programs discussing their prospects for the upcoming season . . . Also, difficult to do since the CC is so fluid (two years) . . . Up to half your team (H.S. and bouncebacks) have yet to show up on campus . . . This article might have more merit at the end of summer workouts . . .

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Posted: 05/26/2014 1:26 PM

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I can see playing your pre-season hand close to your vest - but 10 pre-season offers! - these kind of things take work and like someone said (I think Craftsman - and I hate to agree with him on ANYTHING) but these type of things do tend to feed themselves.  What better way to honor the guys that got you there last year and to attract future blue chip prospects than to advertise-advertise-advertise (brag) about your "getting- guys-out" accomplishments on sites like these. I wish the Renegade coaches would do more of the same in a cohesive fashion (as listed above) - gadesrule can't do it all. biggrin

GO GADES!
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Posted: 05/26/2014 7:05 PM

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I heard that some of the guys who got offers last year were not moved on yet due to academic issues.  I'm not sure how many or who. Maybe that's why we don't see more "bragging" about getting guys out.  Remember that story about DB Tray Hall getting an offer from Fresno State and finding out that he didn't have the required courses to move on and was still searching, a year later, to catch on with a team?  You can't have that in a program that wins as many games as RCC does.  It could send the message that football is more important than school. 4-year programs don't want players who don't do well in the classroom and if they don't get these guys academically eligible to move on, then there could be concerns with recruiters about future recruits.  Its a real problem that needs to be addressed post haste.

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Posted: 05/26/2014 7:16 PM

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Sounds like their academic advisor dropped the ball big time. Do you know who runs that program?


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I heard that some of the guys who got offers last year were not moved on yet due to academic issues.  I'm not sure how many or who. Maybe that's why we don't see more "bragging" about getting guys out.  Remember that story about DB Tray Hall getting an offer from Fresno State and finding out that he didn't have the required courses to move on and was still searching, a year later, to catch on with a team?  You can't have that in a program that wins as many games as RCC does.  It could send the message that football is more important than school. 4-year programs don't want players who don't do well in the classroom and if they don't get these guys academically eligible to move on, then there could be concerns with recruiters about future recruits.  Its a real problem that needs to be addressed post haste.

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Posted: 05/26/2014 7:35 PM

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tiger951 wrote: Sounds like their academic advisor dropped the ball big time. Do you know who runs that program?


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I heard that some of the guys who got offers last year were not moved on yet due to academic issues.  I'm not sure how many or who. Maybe that's why we don't see more "bragging" about getting guys out.  Remember that story about DB Tray Hall getting an offer from Fresno State and finding out that he didn't have the required courses to move on and was still searching, a year later, to catch on with a team?  You can't have that in a program that wins as many games as RCC does.  It could send the message that football is more important than school. 4-year programs don't want players who don't do well in the classroom and if they don't get these guys academically eligible to move on, then there could be concerns with recruiters about future recruits.  Its a real problem that needs to be addressed post haste.

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The guy who was supposedly over the academic program in my experience was the offensive line coach, Dan Lynds.  Of course, parents were promised in 2010 that there would be mandatory grade checks and required study time and tutoring provided to RCC football players.  I never saw any of that and we had more than one discussion about the lack of academic support by the program during our association. My personal belief is that there was a lot more attention paid to winning football games than to enforcing the "student athlete" moniker.

I heard a rumor that Lynds is no longer with the program.  Do you know if this is true?
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Posted: 05/26/2014 8:06 PM

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You certainly seem to hear alot about RCC but then you have to ask if its true???

Sounds like the athletes at RCC are getting benefits that are not provided to the rest of the students !!! Do you know all of this for sure ??? A coach that is providing tuturing for athletes and grades ???

WOW !!!! this could lead to SCFA sanctions.......... You heard it from JJ AKA Sheep Man here first !!!
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Posted: 05/26/2014 8:19 PM

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NCoast65 wrote: You certainly seem to hear alot about RCC but then you have to ask if its true???

Sounds like the athletes at RCC are getting benefits that are not provided to the rest of the students !!! Do you know all of this for sure ??? A coach that is providing tuturing for athletes and grades ???

WOW !!!! this could lead to SCFA sanctions.......... You heard it from JJ AKA Sheep Man here first !!!

Actually, tutoring is available to all students at RCC.  It is paid for in their tuition, just like it is at BC.  

The best schools I saw as far as academics go, btw, were Saddleback and CCSF.  MSAC also has an academic program specifically for student athletes, called the "WIN" program.  I don't thing these are bringing any sanctions from the SCFA, but are, rather, a model for the other junior college athletic programs.
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Posted: 05/26/2014 10:06 PM

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Regarding the academic integrity of community college athletics, it starts with the administration of student services. Holding individuals responsible is key . . . Not the coaches responsilibility to maintain grades for their athletes expect for following the system established by the student services program and athletic department . . . Education plans (counselors), tutoring (service offered to all CC students), and an athletic academic advisor ( grade checks) provides the framework for a successful student-athlete experience . . . At some point, when a student signs his academic education plan, the process begins. If they fail academically along the way, they should be removed from the field, and off the radar for recruiters . . . This system if followed with ethical administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches will produce successful student-athletes in all sports and eliminate the misuse or abuse of athletes for the sake of "winning at all cost" . . .
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Posted: 05/27/2014 5:50 AM

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diablos06 wrote: Regarding the academic integrity of community college athletics, it starts with the administration of student services. Holding individuals responsible is key . . . Not the coaches responsilibility to maintain grades for their athletes expect for following the system established by the student services program and athletic department . . . Education plans (counselors), tutoring (service offered to all CC students), and an athletic academic advisor ( grade checks) provides the framework for a successful student-athlete experience . . . At some point, when a student signs his academic education plan, the process begins. If they fail academically along the way, they should be removed from the field, and off the radar for recruiters . . . This system if followed with ethical administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches will produce successful student-athletes in all sports and eliminate the misuse or abuse of athletes for the sake of "winning at all cost" . . .
Thanks, diablos.  I was hoping you would weigh in.  The system you've outlined seems to be one that would work for all student athletes and at all schools.  You've described three separate functions: 1) Education plans (counselors), tutoring (offered to all CC students) and grade checks (athletic academic counselor).  In reality, at some programs, a coach is the athletic academic counselor, helping pick the classes that the student should take.  Attending tutoring is not required. The athletic academic counselor (coach) asks the student how they are doing in class, rather than pulling the grades and seeing for himself.  

While the student athlete is ultimately responsible for his grades, we should all admit that a mere fraction of the time and effort that is required by the coaching staff on the field would pay big dividends in the classroom if there were required time set aside each week for academics.  The majority of student athletes struggle with balancing school and athletics and need as much structure as can be provided in these formative years.

I don't think that this is something that is isolated to one program.  At one, I was promised that my player would have required study time, tutoring and grade checks.  They actually have a specified program for student athletes.  As it turned out, he grey shirted and no one cared enough to follow through on their promises.  At least, though, the athletic advisor was not a coach.

At another I was promised that there would be a mandatory study hall, tutoring and grade checks.  When it didn't happen, I was told that there was no money in the budget for it.  However, counselors, tutoring and study halls are already available for use by all students.  It is paid for with tuition and administrative fees. All that would be required (and at no additional cost) is to put a program in place that requires the use of these facilities by athletes.  

I'd like to see a change from the top, being that the CCCAA would require  teams to graduate a certain percentage of their athletes each year.  If the success rate is not met, then there would be disciplinary steps taken such as probation that includes loss of playoff eligibility, loss of bowl eligibility, etc.  Something needs to be done to keep coaches from keeping kids eligible to win JUCO games and then leaving them on their own when their eligibility is gone.  Winning at all costs should not include underserving the same people who bring you your on-field success.  Too often, it appears, this is the case.

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Posted: 05/27/2014 11:17 AM

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I think most JC coaches won't speak of newly recruited guys too much before the pads come on. It probably has to do with the fact that those guys aren't tied to the school just yet. Sure would look bad if you hype up a guy and he bails. Not that anyone would do that to Craft, but you never know with kids these days.....they are so squirrely. It's very different from we all were in school.
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Posted: 05/27/2014 11:38 AM

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Last year he was more open to saying in January that he was getting Devon Blackmon from Oregon and Sam Boyd from San jose St. Then, in the spring he talked about his 4 QBs trying out.

You are right about players can go anywhere prior to fall camp tho. Perhaps not having Chiaverini as some have mentioned has to do with their silence this year.


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I think most JC coaches won't speak of newly recruited guys too much before the pads come on. It probably has to do with the fact that those guys aren't tied to the school just yet. Sure would look bad if you hype up a guy and he bails. Not that anyone would do that to Craft, but you never know with kids these days.....they are so squirrely. It's very different from we all were in school.

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Posted: 05/27/2014 11:40 AM

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I don't know anymore. Last I heard was from JCkevin that a Fullerton coach had transferred to RCC. A friend of mine that works @ RCC told me that he hasn't seen Lynds this spring. So put 2 and 2 together......


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<blockquote dir="ltr" ><strong>tiger951 wrote:</strong> Sounds like their academic advisor dropped the ball big time. Do you know who runs that program?


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I heard that some of the guys who got offers last year were not moved on yet due to academic issues.  I'm not sure how many or who. Maybe that's why we don't see more "bragging" about getting guys out.  Remember that story about DB Tray Hall getting an offer from Fresno State and finding out that he didn't have the required courses to move on and was still searching, a year later, to catch on with a team?  You can't have that in a program that wins as many games as RCC does.  It could send the message that football is more important than school. 4-year programs don't want players who don't do well in the classroom and if they don't get these guys academically eligible to move on, then there could be concerns with recruiters about future recruits.  Its a real problem that needs to be addressed post haste.

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The guy who was supposedly over the academic program in my experience was the offensive line coach, Dan Lynds.  Of course, parents were promised in 2010 that there would be mandatory grade checks and required study time and tutoring provided to RCC football players.  I never saw any of that and we had more than one discussion about the lack of academic support by the program during our association. My personal belief is that there was a lot more attention paid to winning football games than to enforcing the "student athlete" moniker.

I heard a rumor that Lynds is no longer with the program.  Do you know if this is true?

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Posted: 05/30/2014 7:40 AM

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Thanks for sharing the article link. The only news that I found interesting is Lafaele's projected return date from ACL being "late summer", which might be before or after RCC's opener. Seems to me Coach Craft is more concerned with setting his O line than who his QB might be. Just my 2 cents.

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Posted: 06/10/2014 12:56 PM

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I believe the Tigers OL is going to be one of the best, if not the best in SOCAL this year.


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Thanks for sharing the article link. The only news that I found interesting is Lafaele's projected return date from ACL being "late summer", which might be before or after RCC's opener. Seems to me Coach Craft is more concerned with setting his O line than who his QB might be. Just my 2 cents.

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Posted: 06/10/2014 1:58 PM

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Coach Chudy is not going to talk about BC's new QB either.

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Posted: 06/10/2014 3:17 PM

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lmao...
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Posted: 06/10/2014 6:40 PM

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STEVO. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY NEW YEAR TIGER. SAYS THIS WILL BE THE BEST LINE EVER.FOR RCC. .AND EVERY SEASON THEIR. DRE A M OF REACHING A STATE GAME AND WINNING IT IS SHATTERED. THEN THE EXCUSES START ROLLING IN. AKA. MT SAC 25. RCC 0. . AKA. FULLERTON. BEAT EM TWICE. .ITS ALLWAYS THE SAME. SONG AND DANCE. OHHHHHH IF ONLY WE DIDNT HAVE INJURED PLAYERS. ETC ETC ETC. LIKE A BROKEN RECORD EVERY SEASON. MY QUESTION TO YOU. STEVO ISSSSS. DO YOU GOONS AT MT SAC GET AS TIRED OF HEARING THE RCC CRYING EXCUSES YR AFTER YR AFTER YR. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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