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Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
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Posted: 01/29/2013 10:49 AM
Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
With our current division alignment, would it more fairly represent the best 4 teams in the south, if the #4 and #5 teams were voted on by the coaches while they are voting on the top 3 seeds. In other words the Southern Conference was the weakest conference last year. Should the 3rd lowest conference champion get an automatic trip to the playoffs when they aren’t the 4th best team. For example (6-4) SB goes to the playoffs over (8-2) RCC and it could have just as well been over (8-2) BC. RCC beat SB 51-13. The injustice is evident. IMO - To let a 6-4 team into the playoffs over an 8-2 just isn’t right.
And yes this could affect BC in the Nothern Conference next year with VC, Cerritos, COC and AHC all fielding pretty good teams.
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Posted: 01/29/2013 11:34 AM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
acdad0330 wrote:With our current division alignment, would it more fairly represent the best 4 teams in the south, if the #4 and #5 teams were voted on by the coaches while they are voting on the top 3 seeds. In other words the Southern Conference was the weakest conference last year. Should the 3rd lowest conference champion get an automatic trip to the playoffs when they aren’t the 4th best team. For example (6-4) SB goes to the playoffs over (8-2) RCC and it could have just as well been over (8-2) BC. RCC beat SB 51-13. The injustice is evident. IMO - To let a 6-4 team into the playoffs over an 8-2 just isn’t right.
And yes this could affect BC in the Nothern Conference next year with VC, Cerritos, COC and AHC all fielding pretty good teams.
I'd say the top 4 in the latest rankings go to playoffs.  and then of course, there will be someone again that won't be happy. Ideally, top 2 in each conference should make playoffs.
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Posted: 01/29/2013 11:53 AM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
Six best teams, no matter what division they play in, Seeds 1 and 2 bye in week one, #3 vs #6 and #4 vs #5, In week two, seed 1 plays the lowest seed left . . . Week three So Cal Championship game, 13-14 game schedule, no break week before the state title game . . . State title game on neutral field, rotate games between Bakersfield and Fresno . . . Same format goes for NoCal, six best teams . . .
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Posted: 01/29/2013 1:50 PM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
acdad0330 wrote:With our current division alignment, would it more fairly represent the best 4 teams in the south, if the #4 and #5 teams were voted on by the coaches while they are voting on the top 3 seeds. In other words the Southern Conference was the weakest conference last year. Should the 3rd lowest conference champion get an automatic trip to the playoffs when they aren’t the 4th best team. For example (6-4) SB goes to the playoffs over (8-2) RCC and it could have just as well been over (8-2) BC. RCC beat SB 51-13. The injustice is evident. IMO - To let a 6-4 team into the playoffs over an 8-2 just isn’t right.
And yes this could affect BC in the Nothern Conference next year with VC, Cerritos, COC and AHC all fielding pretty good teams.
Why do we even have conferences then if you think a conference champ does not deserve to make the playoffs? You're just taking the overall record in consideration which just makes conference play irrelevant.
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Posted: 01/29/2013 2:22 PM
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Diablo: I’m not sure, but doesn’t NorCal have only two tier-one conferences (the North Division – NorCal and Valley)? I think SoCal already has one more playoff game than NorCal. Some of the guys from MS had complained that not having 2 weeks between the SoCal Championship and State was playing big against them. The rest, at that time of the season, is precious for your starters. I don’t think in our economy a 6 game playoff is going to happen.
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Posted: 01/29/2013 2:28 PM
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DD Wrote: Why do we even have conferences then if you think a conference champ does not deserve to make the playoffs? You're just taking the overall record in consideration which just makes conference play irrelevant.
Good point – SB was 5-1 in conference, I forgot about that, and they did have a tough schedule. There is just something about 6-4 that I don’t think belongs in the playoffs. Looking at it, the conferences were pretty well balanced and I was surprised that the Central Conference was actually the toughest by the numbers. NC – 2 top 10 (+COC #11), CC - 4 top 10, SC – 3 top 10.
So I guess you make a good point. I just know I thought BC was getting screwed, for a as good of a team as we had, when I thought it was BC going to get aced by SB. This proved to be true. As it turned out it was RCC – but it was really basically the same thing (they beat SB 51-13). Fair for everyone is hard to come by, I guess someone’s always going feel like it should have been them.
Last edited 01/29/2013 2:32 PM by acdad0330
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Posted: 01/29/2013 2:47 PM
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acdad0330 wrote:DD Wrote: Why do we even have conferences then if you think a conference champ does not deserve to make the playoffs? You're just taking the overall record in consideration which just makes conference play irrelevant.
Good point – SB was 5-1 in conference, I forgot about that, and they did have a tough schedule. There is just something about 6-4 that I don’t think belongs in the playoffs. Looking at it, the conferences were pretty well balanced and I was surprised that the Central Conference was actually the toughest by the numbers. NC – 2 top 10 (+COC #11), CC - 4 top 10, SC – 3 top 10.
So I guess you make a good point. I just know I thought BC was getting screwed, for a as good of a team as we had, when I thought it was BC going to get aced by SB. This proved to be true. As it turned out it was RCC – but it was really basically the same thing (they beat SB 51-13). Fair for everyone is hard to come by, I guess someone’s always going feel like it should have been them.
If you recall, in 2011 UCLA had a 6-4 record and were the southern pac 12 champs. It sucks, even for me that I'm a Bruin fan.
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Posted: 01/29/2013 8:45 PM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
Six might be stretching it . . . But I figured at six, there would be less whining on this website, perhaps a team gaining momentum at the end of the season could challenge the top seeds . . . See BC in 2012 . . .
Last edited 01/29/2013 8:46 PM by diablos06
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Posted: 01/29/2013 9:30 PM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
I'm all for 6 games too. More good games to watch - football season just goes by too fast.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 7:46 AM
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Saddleback got beat by RCC 51-13 week 2. Riverside got shut out by Mt. Sac week 10. Saddleback played albeit on a wet, sloggy field to a 12-7 loss in the bowl game and were it not for 1 zealous SCIAC official the Gauchos would have won the game. It's not how you start - it's how you finish and Saddleback was on a roll at the end of the season.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 8:28 AM
Re: Should the #4 Spot in SoCal Playoffs be by Vote?
I agree on both of those points . . . First, six teams would include the top seeds and those capable of making a run late in the season, a team that is on a mission that may have stumbled early on or had a bad week or two . . . Secondly, Saddleback did deserve that win at Mt Sac, the refs call cost the Gauchos another week of playing in 2012 . . .
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Posted: 01/30/2013 7:20 PM
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GoBruins: Not that I have anything against SB but…….Just for the sake of argument, when SB was on a 5-0 end of the year roll, as you say, their winning streak was against #9, Unranked, #19, #17 and Unranked. I guess I was just trying to make the “weak conference” argument. To me the losses are more revealing. Did SBs losses justify them to be in the playoffs more than RCC? Or it could have just as well been BC? SB didn’t fare too well out of their weaker conference for 2012. And the Southern Conference #2 team, 8th ranked Fullerton, also lost every significant game out of the Southern Conference (Cerritos, BC & RCC).
But Kudos to SB for their playoff performance against MS – a mud bowl game if there ever was one. Your Gauchos are due to beat SAC again one of these years... hopefully soon!
SB
Lost to Mt SAC #1 CC Lost to RCC #2 CC Lost to VC #1 NC Lost to SA #3 SC in your own conference RCC Lost to VC #1 NC Lost to MS #1 CC their own conference BC Lost to VC #1 NC our conference Lost to MS #1 CC
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Posted: 01/30/2013 7:29 PM
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ACDAD0330, Well, there you go again with the numbers thing. Can’t argue with ‘em unless you’re jj or hamo (Just kidding) As always – good job putN everything into perspective Ps specially when it shows just how good BC was this year after a 2-2 start
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Posted: 01/30/2013 9:09 PM
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you make a valid point - can't argue with that. If BC had not gotten in that would have been a shame. RCC not getting in is on them for playing so poorly week 10.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 8:05 AM
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BCFan wrote: Can’t argue with ‘em unless you’re jj or hamo (Just kidding)
I got a good chuckle out of that one. I don’t know what JJ does for a living but he would have made a great attorney. And Hamo – there’s only one Hamo. He’s the only one I know that can piss Murph off. 
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