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Of 41 passes vs UNI 3 were for 15 or more yards.

Posted: 9/2/2014 7:54 PM

Of 41 passes vs UNI 3 were for 15 or more yards. 


vs. an FCS opponent.

Good luck with that Kirk.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:03 PM

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i think a great deal of the blame rests with JR who either lacks the arm to go downfield or confidence.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:10 PM

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31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:14 PM

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what? our offensive coordinator went into a game knowing he'd throw 3 or fewer balls past 15 yards? that is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. if we lack a vertical game, we will struggle this year.


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31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:49 PM

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If he throws 76 percent all for 5 yards will we always get a first down..
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:56 PM

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Hawkaholic13 wrote: 31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.
Here's a little FYI.  Just about any, if not every, BCS QB would have a "great" game with that type of game plan.  When you are not forced to read coverages and throw in the middle of the field or over the top or to the deep corners and always check down and throw dink and dunk 4 yard outs it's no great achievement to have a good stat line.

Can you win games with that?  Good luck Kirk.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 9:47 PM

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Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:05 PM

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BingKing wrote: Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.
Plus Weiseman ran the ball 10 times... 5 rb ran the ball at least once... I think he wanted to get guys out there offense isn't the concern it's really on defense keeping the play in front of our safties
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:08 PM

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We did win the game right?

first game of the year, getting some new guys experience, easing into the season against a decent team. QB did just fine. No turnovers. Good passing %. Getting the momentum going in the right direction. D showed some spine when they had to. Run D was outstanding.

Keep bitchin. And get some new Wheaties. Since your other ones got pi$$ed in.

Go Hawks!
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:13 PM

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Jehawk wrote: first game of the year, getting some new guys experience, easing into the season against a decent team.
It's that "easing" into the season which has cost Kirk several openers and non-conference losses against teams he's got no busy losing to.  Or I guess you have conveniently forgot about those while trying to make your point?
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:24 PM

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hawkeye4life68 wrote: vs. an FCS opponent.

Good luck with that Kirk.


That's super.  Who won the game?
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:30 PM

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I feel like there were at least 4:
1) Willies
2) Bullock
3) Scissors route where our TE and WR ran into each other (details escape me)
4) Hamilton drop on the corner route

But maybe that was it.

Regardless, I'd guess that very few of those plays were designed to be 5 yard plays. The check downs were taken because there was nothing (at least to the guy throwing the ball) open downfield. I would also venture to guess that the game plan going in was to minimize mistake potential because the best way to keep an inferior team in the game is by continuing to give them the ball. So it was probably a conservative game plan mixed in with some overly cautious protection of the ball by Rudock.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:03 PM

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While making your point about my point, you conveniently forgot one thing.

Think back to Saturday. They won the game.

Go Hawks!
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:15 PM

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hawkfan2679 wrote: I feel like there were at least 4:
1) Willies
2) Bullock
3) Scissors route where our TE and WR ran into each other (details escape me)
4) Hamilton drop on the corner route

But maybe that was it.

Regardless, I'd guess that very few of those plays were designed to be 5 yard plays. The check downs were taken because there was nothing (at least to the guy throwing the ball) open downfield. I would also venture to guess that the game plan going in was to minimize mistake potential because the best way to keep an inferior team in the game is by continuing to give them the ball. So it was probably a conservative game plan mixed in with some overly cautious protection of the ball by Rudock.
Could have been a very different game if UNI's 1st half TD were not called back on a holding call. If the game proceeded in the same way, UNI would be up in the 4th Qtr. This conservative play could easily have cost Iowa the game. It was never in the bag until Iowa's offense employed the Victory formation.

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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:54 AM

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Rudock completed 31 passes for 250 yds, right?

That's 8 yds per completion. I fail to see the concern. 

Put it this way- 1st down...8 yd pickup. 2nd and 2. Give to Weisman for 3/4 yds. 1st down Iowa. Repeat. And this was the first game of the season with room to improve for players who will improve.

Again.....I fail to see the concern. noidea
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Posted: 9/3/2014 1:17 AM

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250yds
2TD
0 INT
75% Comp
400yd Total offense
Receptions from 13 different receivers
and an X in the win column.

41 passing attempts or 25 attempts....I fail to see an issue regardless....especially since it was WEEK 1.

I could maybe see an issue if Iowa had played someone like Valparaiso, a team that was won a total of 4 games the past 5 years, but it's not. UNI is a well coached and consistently good team. Not sure why that is so hard to understand. It happens. And, there are good teams out there beyond the realm of D1. Crazy, right?

Ask KSU what happened last when NDSU beat them team at home last season. Same with Oregon St. E. Wash beat them at home. Hell, even the big, bad SEC is not immune. See Georgia Southern at Florida 2013.

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Posted: 9/3/2014 4:17 AM

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I'm curious. The OP says that only 3 passes (not completions) were for 15 yards or more. That implies that all 10 incompletions were also less than 15 yards. Is that true? Did the OP go back to the actual game film and verify?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:35 AM

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Exactly...........this is the best way to put it. Those are high percentage throws. Move the ball and then if they do stale out then Iowa should win the field position battle.
hebethekid wrote: If he throws 76 percent all for 5 yards will we always get a first down..
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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:38 AM

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Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.

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I think BingKing's assessment is right on the mark. Why open up your entire play book for everyone to see when you don't need to?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:44 AM

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The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.  Let him go he's on a roll. 

We had 5 ball carriers on the first 9 rushes, we hit 13 receivers.  We won the game and allowed 25 yards rushing.


But....most internet coaches will win the game in a blowout.  Just think if we had CJ throwing deep on every pass play, if we'd have run Weisman 30 times to get him in rhythm, if the back 7 didn't make any mistakes, if we didn't fumble, if......... IF they'd just send Kirk a note telling him what to do against Ball State think of the joy we would all have.

I can't wait till we have something bad happen just so we can see the board explode.  banghead

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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:45 AM

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I was happy with Jake's performance.  Remember what happened a year ago in his first game?  The late pick six?!  Like it or not, we won that game because we didn't turn the ball over and Jake's long pass late in the fourth set up the winning score.

Remember, we still have some raw WRs that need to learn to separate or find space...give it some time.

Trust me, I want to see the ball thrown down field but I love how he didn't force things.  Do any of you guys remember when Miami came into Kinnick on a Labor Day weekend night game?  Can't remember which Hurricane QB it was (Walsh? Toretta?) but he threw for like 450 yards and almost everything was a dumb off or short pass.  Jake's not at that level, but he's taking what the defense was giving him.

 

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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:49 AM

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For what it's worth I'm not sweating to much. Coach and JR said in the presser that the UNI D was taking away a lot of his early looks on the deep routes so he was just checking down to the high % comp.

Then again. We know from last year that JR had problems with the deep ball, in terms of both vision and accuracy. Sat. showed us no indication that this has changed. His high % game mgnt. style will win 5 or 6 this year. But if the D doesn't grow up and we need to put up points quickly??? We all know this is not a strong suit of KF teams. 

Fretting but not sweating. Will we see JCB soon?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:00 AM

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Agreed.  If that is our game plan, better expect opposing defenses stacking 10 defenders in the box.  How will that bode for our run game?  My sister can come up with a better offensive game plan. 


hawkinarkansas wrote: what? our offensive coordinator went into a game knowing he'd throw 3 or fewer balls past 15 yards? that is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. if we lack a vertical game, we will struggle this year.


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31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.

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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:02 AM

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And in the process, he almost lost to UNI. 

It will not do our team any good to "hold back" its alleged fire power, and in the process, lose to some of these cup cakes early on. 
BingKing wrote: Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:05 AM

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Yes, we did win the game.  And I agree, a win is a win. 

But this is a fan board, where we are all invited to contribute to a dialogue on what we liked, what we disliked, our concerns going forward in the future. 

Expressing concerns should not be construed as disloyalty. 
Jehawk wrote: We did win the game right?

first game of the year, getting some new guys experience, easing into the season against a decent team. QB did just fine. No turnovers. Good passing %. Getting the momentum going in the right direction. D showed some spine when they had to. Run D was outstanding.

Keep bitchin. And get some new Wheaties. Since your other ones got pi$$ed in.

Go Hawks!
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:06 AM

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Did Iowa ever throw on first down?  Typically the first and ten call is a simple hand off up the middle - leaving us in a second and long. 
WarHawk05 wrote: Rudock completed 31 passes for 250 yds, right?

That's 8 yds per completion. I fail to see the concern. 

Put it this way- 1st down...8 yd pickup. 2nd and 2. Give to Weisman for 3/4 yds. 1st down Iowa. Repeat. And this was the first game of the season with room to improve for players who will improve.

Again.....I fail to see the concern. noidea
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:11 AM

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Agreed.  If that is our game plan, better expect opposing defenses stacking 10 defenders in the box.  How will that bode for our run game?  My sister can come up with a better offensive game plan. 


hawkinarkansas wrote: what? our offensive coordinator went into a game knowing he'd throw 3 or fewer balls past 15 yards? that is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. if we lack a vertical game, we will struggle this year.


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31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.

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We'll take what they give us. If they stack 10 into the box, then we'll go over the top. Anyone who has followed Hawkeye football under KF understands his game day philosophy.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:52 AM

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floridahawk wrote:


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Agreed.  If that is our game plan, better expect opposing defenses stacking 10 defenders in the box.  How will that bode for our run game?  My sister can come up with a better offensive game plan. 


hawkinarkansas wrote: what? our offensive coordinator went into a game knowing he'd throw 3 or fewer balls past 15 yards? that is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. if we lack a vertical game, we will struggle this year.


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31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.

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We'll take what they give us. If they stack 10 into the box, then we'll go over the top. Anyone who has followed Hawkeye football under KF understands his game day philosophy.


I hope you are right.  I think more often than not, we were faced with that same defensive scheme last season.  And as a result, there was very little room in the 10-15 yard range.  I do not recall many long passes last season. 

Time well tell, and I am hopeful we will see more out of Rudock in the coming weeks. 

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Posted: 9/3/2014 10:41 AM

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I think with the KF style, we can all agree that in the past 15 years this hasn't changed. I think we were all expecting more from the vertical passing game but hindsight is 20/20 in this and all game situations with the KF regime. It's just not his style. His teams will continue to play to the level of the competition and we will all see them win some and lose some of these close game because of his style.

JR did what he was coached to do and I think we can all agree he had a great game. There are a lot of things they are going to work on for sure.

I would have loved to see them at least take a chance one we hit the 50 yard line and throw one deep to show we are capable of doing that too. Let's take this year one game at a time before we go nuts about what should have happened.

Hey we're 1-0! tongue
irishchihawk wrote: And in the process, he almost lost to UNI. 

It will not do our team any good to "hold back" its alleged fire power, and in the process, lose to some of these cup cakes early on. 
BingKing wrote: Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 10:59 AM

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irishchihawk wrote: Did Iowa ever throw on first down?  Typically the first and ten call is a simple hand off up the middle - leaving us in a second and long. 
Yes, three times in the first quarter alone, including the game's first play from scrimmage. Link
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Posted: 9/3/2014 11:16 AM

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If you were KF, would you show you whole playbook?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:11 PM

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sbhawk64 wrote: If you were KF, would you show you whole playbook?
Its not a book, its a play page or two.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:30 PM

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Throwing deep I'd not KF's style?!?

Am I the only one who remembers Stanzi throwing 32 interceptions deep into the wind against Indiana?
BiRDS wrote: I think with the KF style, we can all agree that in the past 15 years this hasn't changed. I think we were all expecting more from the vertical passing game but hindsight is 20/20 in this and all game situations with the KF regime. It's just not his style. His teams will continue to play to the level of the competition and we will all see them win some and lose some of these close game because of his style.

JR did what he was coached to do and I think we can all agree he had a great game. There are a lot of things they are going to work on for sure.

I would have loved to see them at least take a chance one we hit the 50 yard line and throw one deep to show we are capable of doing that too. Let's take this year one game at a time before we go nuts about what should have happened.

Hey we're 1-0! tongue
irishchihawk wrote: And in the process, he almost lost to UNI. 

It will not do our team any good to "hold back" its alleged fire power, and in the process, lose to some of these cup cakes early on. 
BingKing wrote: Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.

I BELIEVE!!!

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Posted: 9/3/2014 1:52 PM

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floridahawk wrote:


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Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.

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I think BingKing's assessment is right on the mark. Why open up your entire play book for everyone to see when you don't need to?
Agreed... that this is a distinct possibility.  Truly hope that is the case.  Cos I gotta tell... all those short dumps began to remind me of JVB.  Though I think JVB's dumps were more out of flustered panic versus JR's calculated mind preferring not to be risking a negative play.
To be successful this season we need a QB that can stretch a defense.  If not... our all important running game will be facing defenses stacked against the run.  That said... I am impressed with JR's games management.
The jury is still out of JR is prepared to put the team on his shoulders to win games regularly , if defenses stack up against the run.  We need him to be ready to step up to that level.  Hope he is prepared to achieve this kind of success.... cos in order for us to hit 9 or more wins... we will need that from him.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:27 PM

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sbhawk64 wrote: If you were KF, would you show you whole playbook?


There are probably 5 to 10 different standard pass routes that require down field passing but at the same time, not reveal any secret or trick play that otherwise could be saved for the games later in the season. 

How about a fly pattern or a post pattern once a quarter?  Nothing terribly secretive or fancy there, but nonetheless, could be useful in keeping the safeties honest, and creating space for the more preferred button hooks and down and outs.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:39 PM

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I just wonder what everyone would think/say IF we would have converted 4th and inches and our TE had not dropped the pass that would have given us first and goal.   10-14 more points.  I know....IF....but 41-45 points may have many of us felling better about the team.

While I agree with some we were very conservative I, for one, really did not expect much different in game 1.  I am glad a bunch of guys got touches, penalties were low for a first game, JR managed the game well AND when it was apparent they wanted him to go downfield he hit a strike to help put us up by 8.

I don't expect a romp this week.  I do think we will widen the gap a bit and we will see a bit more of the offense but I am not anticipating 50 points either.  I would take 35 and a defense that has cleaned up their missed assignments from the last game.  Yes Ball State put up 500 yds last week but I have a hard time believing they will duplicate the 300 on the ground against our D.

I enjoy Hawkeye football more than ever knowing:
- I can't change how the game is called
- I am not playing
- I go in with expectations based on past early season performances
- If they notch a W, I am pleased especially if I see promise and potential....if they win big I am really pleased

Not talking "down" to anyone so please don't take it that way.  While a 20 point win would have felt much better I am encouraged by many of the things I DID see this past Saturday and I would hope that there is a natural progression from week 1 to week 2.

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Posted: 9/3/2014 4:12 PM

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Man, if we're this crabby after a win what is it going to be like if we lose?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 5:09 PM

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Really?  After 15 years leading Iowa footbal, you honestly think KF is worried about showing the playbook?  That is the most clown like thing I have seen in a while.  Iowa is not going to fool anyone.  Having a vertical game is not rocket science, most division I football teams have one, it is practiced alot......clown.
BingKing wrote: Do some of you clowns not realize that maybe Kirk and Co. did not want to open up the playbook that much in the opening game against a team we should beat in order to not show our next few opponents everything?

Some will agree with that strategy-some will not-but come on, we are talking Kirk Ferentz here.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 6:06 PM

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irishchihawk wrote: Yes, we did win the game.  And I agree, a win is a win. 

But this is a fan board, where we are all invited to contribute to a dialogue on what we liked, what we disliked, our concerns going forward in the future. 

Expressing concerns should not be construed as disloyalty. 
Jehawk wrote: We did win the game right?

first game of the year, getting some new guys experience, easing into the season against a decent team. QB did just fine. No turnovers. Good passing %. Getting the momentum going in the right direction. D showed some spine when they had to. Run D was outstanding.

Keep bitchin. And get some new Wheaties. Since your other ones got pi$$ed in.

Go Hawks!
Did I construe someone as being disloyal? I just said they needed a new box of Wheaties. I was just contributing to the dialog.

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Posted: 9/3/2014 6:45 PM

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Plus 3 were dropped that could of put him over 80% completion rate.  Some people love to nit-pick.noidea
Hawkaholic13 wrote: 31-41 for 250 yards to 13 receivers.  13 different receivers!!!  He had a great game.  And what you failed to mention is Greg Davis' game plan was for him to throw no more than 3 passes greater than 15 yards.
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