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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:41 AM

Low Expectations 


From Howe's article predicting this season:

"I've got our Hawkeyes at 8-4 overall and 5-3 in conference. In my world, that's a darn good season around here."

Sorry, but as soon as I read that I thought: "What low expectations."  And no, I would not call that a good year.  Repeating last year's record with a far easier schedule is NOT moving in the right direction.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:48 AM

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As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:53 AM

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With Nebraska and Wisconsin being more vulnerable in our division this year and the talent we have returning, 8-4 is not going to cut for alot of fans this year or next. Iowa has to take advantage of these rare opportunities to go after a division title and play for a Big Ten title in Indianapolis in 2014 and/or 2015.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:55 AM

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Prediction making is the time of the year when cornerbacks don't get beat, receivers don't drop balls, Qb's don't miss open receivers, running backs don't fumble, linemen don't hold and no one get's injured. 

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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:06 PM

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I agree 8-4 is the norm on the board and most of the Fanatics are all about that record! Where are they now to hammer on the ones with higher expectations??

One fanatic poster said in another thread, "Let the chips fall where they may land"...I'm not about that I'm about let's take it while it's here!
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:57 PM

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Luckily, those same things happen to our opponents too.


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Prediction making is the time of the year when cornerbacks don't get beat, receivers don't drop balls, Qb's don't miss open receivers, running backs don't fumble, linemen don't hold and no one get's injured. 



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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:07 PM

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I think we may have a better season than some people think. I also think Wisc will not do as good as some think because their receiver last year really saved them in critical situations. They won't convert near as many 3rd downs and their defense will be on the field a lot more. If we beat Maryland I think we go undefeated.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:17 PM

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I think we may have a better season than some people think. I also think Wisc will not do as good as some think because their receiver last year really saved them in critical situations. They won't convert near as many 3rd downs and their defense will be on the field a lot more. If we beat Maryland I think we go undefeated.

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I am not comprehending all of the Wisconsin hype either as they lost a ton on D and must think Gordon will carry the whole team idk. I do know though they have a lighter schedule as well. We can't just base our season off of what teams on our schedule did last year...

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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:25 PM

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LOL.  The problem is when the breaks don't go your way you lose games that you should win.  Most of us want to believe that all things being equal the Hawks will be favored in all but 2 games.  Using that we've got 10 games to avoid the bad things and only 2 where good things might swing in our favor.  I don't like those odds.  Personally I'm expecting 9-3 and hoping for better, but 8-4 isn't unrealistic IMO.


If we win 'em all I'll be celebrating too, but I won't be in the Kirk's gotta go club if we wind up 7-5. From past experience here there will be plenty on board that bus.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:36 PM

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RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:50 PM

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hoxrock wrote: With Nebraska and Wisconsin being more vulnerable in our division this year and the talent we have returning, 8-4 is not going to cut for alot of fans this year or next. Iowa has to take advantage of these rare opportunities to go after a division title and play for a Big Ten title in Indianapolis in 2014 and/or 2015.
Not sure I see a great chance next year with both tackles graduating and very little behind them. We are very very thin this year but, if the team gets a lot of breaks on the injury front it has a chance to maybe win 10 games. An awful lot will need to go right though.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:55 PM

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RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.

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Gotta agree here....with our schedule and returning squad anything short of nine regular season victories would be a big disappointment.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 5:59 PM

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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
What disappoints me, in general, about our fan base, in general, is that even with one of the easiest schedules for a B1G team, in some time, and a veteran team returning (all skill position starters returning on offense and agrueably the the best OL in the country and a C that is on the Rimmington watch list and 3 of 5 starters from last seasons OL ) few have an expectation of getting to the B1G championship game.  Why is that?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 6:30 PM

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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
What disappoints me, in general, about our fan base, in general, is that even with one of the easiest schedules for a B1G team, in some time, and a veteran team returning (all skill position starters returning on offense and agrueably the the best OL in the country and a C that is on the Rimmington watch list and 3 of 5 starters from last seasons OL ) few have an expectation of getting to the B1G championship game.  Why is that?

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My guess is that a lot of people think we have a reasonable chance to make the title game. In my case, I don't like to make predictions because I view that as a jinx. I prefer to sit back and let the season evolve ( hopefully to a spot in the title game). The reason you may not see a lot of optimism on this board is because it is typically the more negative types that make the most noise, IMHO.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 6:32 PM

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Dohly wrote:


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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
What disappoints me, in general, about our fan base, in general, is that even with one of the easiest schedules for a B1G team, in some time, and a veteran team returning (all skill position starters returning on offense and agrueably the the best OL in the country and a C that is on the Rimmington watch list and 3 of 5 starters from last seasons OL ) few have an expectation of getting to the B1G championship game.  Why is that?

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My guess is that a lot of people think we have a reasonable chance to make the title game. In my case, I don't like to make predictions because I view that as a jinx. I prefer to sit back and let the season evolve ( hopefully to a spot in the title game). The reason you may not see a lot of optimism on this board is because it is typically the more negative types that make the most noise, IMHO.

fair points, all, dohly.  I guess I'm throwing caution to the wind this year when it comes to jinxes.  However, we all know they ARE real.  Don't worry, tough, I rubbed my lucky rabits foot before I predicted the B1G championship game, so we should be just fine.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 6:53 PM

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Dohly wrote:


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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
What disappoints me, in general, about our fan base, in general, is that even with one of the easiest schedules for a B1G team, in some time, and a veteran team returning (all skill position starters returning on offense and agrueably the the best OL in the country and a C that is on the Rimmington watch list and 3 of 5 starters from last seasons OL ) few have an expectation of getting to the B1G championship game.  Why is that?

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My guess is that a lot of people think we have a reasonable chance to make the title game. In my case, I don't like to make predictions because I view that as a jinx. I prefer to sit back and let the season evolve ( hopefully to a spot in the title game). The reason you may not see a lot of optimism on this board is because it is typically the more negative types that make the most noise, IMHO.

fair points, all, dohly.  I guess I'm throwing caution to the wind this year when it comes to jinxes.  However, we all know they ARE real.  Don't worry, tough, I rubbed my lucky rabits foot before I predicted the B1G championship game, so we should be just fine.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 7:00 PM

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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
I didn't say you were attacking me. I was making a point that expectations are subjective and often times perception is people's reality.

You can take issue with me saying 8-4 would be a good year but it doesn't make you right. Nor does me believing that it would be a good year make it right. They're based in how we look at it.

I also don't believe it's a "soft" schedule. That's my opinion and part of why I see it the way I do. Again, it doesn't make me right. It's my opinion.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:08 PM

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I'd prefer at least a 9-3 season, but I can make do with 8-4.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:20 AM

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Going game by game is nearly impossible. Not to pick on you Rob, but here is how you did last year:

Right: Missouri St., Western Michigan, Ohio St. and Purdue
Missed: NIU, ISU, Minnesota, Michigan St., jNW, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska

You had Iowa going 6-6, which is exactly what I thought as well, but when you W/L each game, it is tough. Of course Iowa finished the season with wins over Michigan and Nebraska to make it a pretty good year.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:36 AM

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deanvogs wrote: Going game by game is nearly impossible. Not to pick on you Rob, but here is how you did last year:

Right: Missouri St., Western Michigan, Ohio St. and Purdue
Missed: NIU, ISU, Minnesota, Michigan St., jNW, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska

You had Iowa going 6-6, which is exactly what I thought as well, but when you W/L each game, it is tough. Of course Iowa finished the season with wins over Michigan and Nebraska to make it a pretty good year.
No worries. It's not picking on me. I go on record each year and never am overly confident in my predictions. We're a developmental program that's really hard to pin down in the preseason, IMO. We not only develop in the offseason but during the fall.

I do remember having us at 6-6 last year and I was probably on high end for what the tone on this site was coming off 4-8. I have to think the percentage of people on here thinking we'd finish with wins against Michigan and at Nebraska was very low.

As you said, it's even harder to pick it game by game in the preseason because not only are we projecting Iowa but we're also trying to figure out how 11 opponents will fair this season. That's tough. Which brings me back to how I feel about trying to judge the schedule. We're guessing what each team will be, not only for the season, but for that week we play them.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:04 AM

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Yes, we are and we are due for a Rose Bowl which we haven't had with the KF regime. I agree with Arvada as a fan base we should be able to expect more from a team that has a lot of talent. The coaching staff has had a few years to jell and we should be in perfect position to make some noise here this season.
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Dohly wrote:


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theiowahawkeye wrote:
RobHowe wrote: As I wrote elsewhere, my expectations do not have to match your expectations. I think a lot of folks would agree with your view. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It's an opinion that can't be proven one way or the other.
Yes it is.  No one is attacking you.  You may well be right with the predictions.  It is the expectation that said results would constitute a good year that I took issue with.  And I am of the opinion that we should expect more out of such a soft schedule.
What disappoints me, in general, about our fan base, in general, is that even with one of the easiest schedules for a B1G team, in some time, and a veteran team returning (all skill position starters returning on offense and agrueably the the best OL in the country and a C that is on the Rimmington watch list and 3 of 5 starters from last seasons OL ) few have an expectation of getting to the B1G championship game.  Why is that?

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My guess is that a lot of people think we have a reasonable chance to make the title game. In my case, I don't like to make predictions because I view that as a jinx. I prefer to sit back and let the season evolve ( hopefully to a spot in the title game). The reason you may not see a lot of optimism on this board is because it is typically the more negative types that make the most noise, IMHO.

fair points, all, dohly.  I guess I'm throwing caution to the wind this year when it comes to jinxes.  However, we all know they ARE real.  Don't worry, tough, I rubbed my lucky rabits foot before I predicted the B1G championship game, so we should be just fine.

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We are due for a "feel good" story.
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