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IOWA's schedule soon to be Power 5 Conf Opponents only

Posted: 8/8/2014 2:46 AM

IOWA's schedule soon to be Power 5 Conf Opponents only 


It appears that this is coming in just a short few years.  

The Power Five conferences are, of course, the SEC, ACC, B1G, Big12 and PAC12.

A poll conducted by ESPN showed that a majority of the Power Five conference coaches favors a schedule consisting of only Power Five conference opponents.

Why go down this road?

* Fans, players, and coaches want these better games.
* Because of the new playoff.
          --We have some conferences with 8 conference games, some with 9, and the PAC 12 with 9 and a title game.

          --If every power 5 team plays only power 5 opponents, it makes it easier for the selection committee to compare and rate teams and determine the best 4 teams for the playoff.

Ferentz thinking that the B1G will go to 10 conference games was also brought up.  

Also, if you are not in the Power 5 conferences (MAC schools, for example), it appears making the final 4 in football will be a near impossibility.  I am sure this makes Boise State (and other schools) stand up and take notice.

Watch the discussion here   http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11320892 

Your thoughts? 

Another advantage of this type of scheduling:  The "available tickets" problem should get easier.  UNI and Ball State go away and they get replaced with an SEC, ACC, Big 12 or PAC 12 team.


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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:10 AM

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So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:21 AM

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I think the "have not" conferences are gonna get royally screwed when it comes to football; they can't afford to pay the student athletes and they are probably going to be on the outside looking in when it comes to the major bowl games; and if they can't get the big pay check for traveling to an Iowa/Ohio State/Michigan?  That's gonna hurt big time.

i think Iowa will have to drop some sports like mens gymnastics in order to make ends meet because keep in mind that they are talking about paying EVERY athlete $2,000-$5,000 per year in addition to the free tuition/room/board.  


mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.


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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:15 AM

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Coaches won’t be the only people involved in a decision like this one.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:26 AM

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Won't happen- SEC love to play smaller schools- look at Alabama's schedule.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:40 AM

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With this Power 5, I think you'll see some changes coming to help even the playing field even further amongst all the teams in the power 5 conferences. 

Gerry Dinardo talked about allowing official visits for juniors as being critical for B10 teams - it's a short, inexpensive trip for prospects in the south to visit an SEC school - a long way and expensive to visit Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota.  I think you'll see more of these types of changes that will help level the playing field, and have some consistency amongst the rules within all five of the conferences. 

When they move to an eight team playoff (which they will), somewhere down the road, you might see 9-3 teams that make the field.  No more 4 automatic wins at the beginning of the season. 

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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:28 AM

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The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:02 AM

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kmurp wrote: Coaches won’t be the only people involved in a decision like this one.
it used to be that all 128 FBS schools would get an equal say in decisions like this.  but with autonomy, the 64 power 5 coaches will discuss this with their ADs and they will be making the decision on whether or not to go ahead with this; the remaining 64 FBS coaches / ADs will not have a say in this

Whats interesting is that the ESPN guy talks about 65 teams in the power 5; I guess he should get his #s right because there are only 64....correct?  LOL

14 ACC 
14 B1G
10  Big 12
12  PAC 12
14  SEC
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with 128 FBS teams, if the power 5 only play each other, what happens to the other 64? is there a new division created for them?


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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:11 AM

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hope you are right about changes to level the playing field; KF says all the time that the critical part of recruiting is getting the prospect on campus because THEN the prospect sees what Iowa City, the university, the football program, etc has to offer.....often times, recruits think that Iowa and Iowa CIty have little to offer but when they visit, it really opens their eyes
PostHaste wrote:

With this Power 5, I think you'll see some changes coming to help even the playing field even further amongst all the teams in the power 5 conferences. 

Gerry Dinardo talked about allowing official visits for juniors as being critical for B10 teams - it's a short, inexpensive trip for prospects in the south to visit an SEC school - a long way and expensive to visit Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota.  I think you'll see more of these types of changes that will help level the playing field, and have some consistency amongst the rules within all five of the conferences. 

When they move to an eight team playoff (which they will), somewhere down the road, you might see 9-3 teams that make the field.  No more 4 automatic wins at the beginning of the season. 


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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:16 AM

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will the Big 12 have a title game then?  

Makes you wonder if 2 (or 4!) schools are now going to push to join the Big 12 so that they can be part of the "haves" and not be part of the "have nots"
hawkjth wrote: The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.


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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:40 AM

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tbonehawkeye wrote:
kmurp wrote: Coaches won’t be the only people involved in a decision like this one.
it used to be that all 128 FBS schools would get an equal say in decisions like this.  but with autonomy, the 64 power 5 coaches will discuss this with their ADs and they will be making the decision on whether or not to go ahead with this; the remaining 64 FBS coaches / ADs will not have a say in this

Whats interesting is that the ESPN guy talks about 65 teams in the power 5; I guess he should get his #s right because there are only 64....correct?  LOL

14 ACC 
14 B1G
10  Big 12
12  PAC 12
14  SEC
____________________________________
  64  total



with 128 FBS teams, if the power 5 only play each other, what happens to the other 64? is there a new division created for them?
+ Notre Dame

65 teams
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:09 PM

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barf; no wonder i forgot about them  frown
MidwestHawk wrote:
tbonehawkeye wrote:
kmurp wrote: Coaches won’t be the only people involved in a decision like this one.
it used to be that all 128 FBS schools would get an equal say in decisions like this.  but with autonomy, the 64 power 5 coaches will discuss this with their ADs and they will be making the decision on whether or not to go ahead with this; the remaining 64 FBS coaches / ADs will not have a say in this

Whats interesting is that the ESPN guy talks about 65 teams in the power 5; I guess he should get his #s right because there are only 64....correct?  LOL

14 ACC 
14 B1G
10  Big 12
12  PAC 12
14  SEC
____________________________________
  64  total



with 128 FBS teams, if the power 5 only play each other, what happens to the other 64? is there a new division created for them?
+ Notre Dame

65 teams


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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:17 PM

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Every team on the outside has been flirting with the P5 conferences since the day Delaney announced the decision to move beyond eleven teams. The domino effect already took place years ago when the ACC raided the Big East, creating opportunities for Louisville, Cinci,and UConn to move up to BCS level.

I'm sure Boise State and New Mexico have been keeping Big 12 presidents and ADs on speed dial for years.

But, are there any schools left that won't leach money from the Big12s TV payouts? West Virginia is on an island, and Cinci makes sense to give them a travel partner, but who makes number 12 without watering down the conference?

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will the Big 12 have a title game then?  

Makes you wonder if 2 (or 4!) schools are now going to push to join the Big 12 so that they can be part of the "haves" and not be part of the "have nots"
hawkjth wrote: The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.


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Incorrect subject is incorrect.
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mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:24 PM

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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:55 PM

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If the power 5 conference teams only had to play each other and no "outsiders" then those schools can kiss their football programs goodbye. As painful as it is to watch Alabama A and M get slapped around by Ohio State, A and M was getting a fat paycheck for the slapping they were getting. Most MAC teams and UNI get around $800,000 to come to Kinnick to get their butt kicked...or lose anyway. When you figure those MAC teams play 3 or 4 major conference opponents every year and get paid around the same rate for those games, you have around $3 million a year going into the coffers of these smaller programs. Peanuts compared to what major programs work with but for smaller programs it's a big deal and a major part of the financing of their football programs. Some MAC programs already have to sell big blocks of tickets to large companies just to inflate their paid attendance numbers.

The Power 5 don't respect the NCAA and if they didn't get this autonomy they would have broken away so the NCAA had no choice but to do this for them. Which leaves the rest of the conferences, which the NCAA can still rule over and can still command respect from. The NCAA is not going to allow the Power 5 to completely avoid playing the "outsiders". Those programs still need the NCAA and won't break away but if they dry up due to no revenue from playing the power 5 conferences, the NCAA will cease to exist because the Power 5 don't need the NCAA and could care less if they exist or not. My what a kerfuffle the NCAA has put itself in...if only they enforced the rules from the beginning.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:00 AM

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You are correct stating ND will never have difficulty scheduling opponents. The problem is if/when the P5 votes to restrict scheduling to other P5 members.

Navy is not a member of the Power 5.

Why does this matter? during WW2, Notre Dame faced severe financial problems. The Naval Academy more or less rented ND's facilities to use for training purposes. The money paid kept ND's athletics afloat.

The Irish promised to keep Navy on their football schedule every year thereafter as a show of respect and gratitude.

This is why I'm curious to find out how the Irish will respond if this rule is passed. Its a pretty big deal to both fan bases.


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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:56 AM

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its all about TV sets (apparently); when you look at possible schools, I have no idea who the Big 12 would want where they would grow revenue enough to make expansion worthwhile
mini14 wrote: Every team on the outside has been flirting with the P5 conferences since the day Delaney announced the decision to move beyond eleven teams. The domino effect already took place years ago when the ACC raided the Big East, creating opportunities for Louisville, Cinci,and UConn to move up to BCS level.

I'm sure Boise State and New Mexico have been keeping Big 12 presidents and ADs on speed dial for years.

But, are there any schools left that won't leach money from the Big12s TV payouts? West Virginia is on an island, and Cinci makes sense to give them a travel partner, but who makes number 12 without watering down the conference?

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--- tbonehawkeye wrote:

will the Big 12 have a title game then?  

Makes you wonder if 2 (or 4!) schools are now going to push to join the Big 12 so that they can be part of the "haves" and not be part of the "have nots"
hawkjth wrote: The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.


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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:03 AM

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if it happens, it won't happen until 2016; change is hard and if ND can only schedule P5 teams, then it will be a pill everyone will have to swallow

I wonder about rule enforcement; as the NCAA gets weaker and weaker as the P5 gets stronger, will rule breakers get caught and punished?  


mini14 wrote: You are correct stating ND will never have difficulty scheduling opponents. The problem is if/when the P5 votes to restrict scheduling to other P5 members.

Navy is not a member of the Power 5.

Why does this matter? during WW2, Notre Dame faced severe financial problems. The Naval Academy more or less rented ND's facilities to use for training purposes. The money paid kept ND's athletics afloat.

The Irish promised to keep Navy on their football schedule every year thereafter as a show of respect and gratitude.

This is why I'm curious to find out how the Irish will respond if this rule is passed. Its a pretty big deal to both fan bases.


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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.

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BYU, UConn, and Cinci are the only schools left that can bring any kind of value to the Big 12. If Boise State didn't have such horrible academic standards, they'd be a decent addition, as well.

But...what a messy conference that would be with members scattered all over the country! Those fools should've grabbed Louisville when they had their chance.

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its all about TV sets (apparently); when you look at possible schools, I have no idea who the Big 12 would want where they would grow revenue enough to make expansion worthwhile
mini14 wrote: Every team on the outside has been flirting with the P5 conferences since the day Delaney announced the decision to move beyond eleven teams. The domino effect already took place years ago when the ACC raided the Big East, creating opportunities for Louisville, Cinci,and UConn to move up to BCS level.

I'm sure Boise State and New Mexico have been keeping Big 12 presidents and ADs on speed dial for years.

But, are there any schools left that won't leach money from the Big12s TV payouts? West Virginia is on an island, and Cinci makes sense to give them a travel partner, but who makes number 12 without watering down the conference?

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--- tbonehawkeye wrote:

will the Big 12 have a title game then?  

Makes you wonder if 2 (or 4!) schools are now going to push to join the Big 12 so that they can be part of the "haves" and not be part of the "have nots"
hawkjth wrote: The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.


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tbonehawkeye wrote: hope you are right about changes to level the playing field; KF says all the time that the critical part of recruiting is getting the prospect on campus because THEN the prospect sees what Iowa City, the university, the football program, etc has to offer.....often times, recruits think that Iowa and Iowa CIty have little to offer but when they visit, it really opens their eyes
PostHaste wrote:

With this Power 5, I think you'll see some changes coming to help even the playing field even further amongst all the teams in the power 5 conferences. 

Gerry Dinardo talked about allowing official visits for juniors as being critical for B10 teams - it's a short, inexpensive trip for prospects in the south to visit an SEC school - a long way and expensive to visit Iowa, Nebraska or Minnesota.  I think you'll see more of these types of changes that will help level the playing field, and have some consistency amongst the rules within all five of the conferences. 

When they move to an eight team playoff (which they will), somewhere down the road, you might see 9-3 teams that make the field.  No more 4 automatic wins at the beginning of the season. 

If the NCAA cut the amount of scholarship players a team could have, in theory, that would trickle down to allowing schools like Iowa to sign a higher level player, instead of that player sitting the bench for Alabama.  At the same time, MAC level teams would start signing some of the kids that would have signed at schools like Iowa.

Eventually, the non P5 conferences could band together to determine how they could find a round robin format to produce 1, 2 or 3 (depending how it shakes out) teams to join the playoff when it moves to an 8 team playoff.  I agree with Haste, I believe this is in the future.

The part of all this that really scares me is that by paying players, yes schools coould have to eliminate some sports, but the thought of a college kid "holding out" for a higher stipend, or a larger percentage of his jersey sales, would spell doom for college football (and basketball).
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hawkjth wrote: The official stance of the Big Ten is 191....one Power 5 in non-conference, 9 league games, 1 title game.

Delany laid that out at Big Ten media days.

If they go to 10 league games, it probably becomes 1-10-1...ensuring the Big Ten champ of having played 12 power 5 games.

I like it. But, I highly doubt they go away from at least one MAC game in the non-conf.

hawkjth, at first glance, I agreed with you on this.  But with a 4 team playoff format and 5 power conferences; two power conference teams, each season will be arbitrarily judged my the committee on which team is the fourth qualifier and which is left out of the playoff.  Strengh of schedule could be the deciding factor and If you have just one non conference game, it better be against a P5 school to boost your SOS.  What really needs to happen is that the committee needs to publish absolute criteria so they don't have much to do except announce the 4 teams and perhaps decide on the fourth team.

This is why I think the future holds an 8 team playoff.  This would allow for non P5 conferences to band together to find some sort of playoff format of their own to send a qualifier into the playoffs and for "wild card" P5 schools to make it.  That is 3 spots that could allow 2 P5 wild card teams and 1 representative from MAC level, for example.
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mini14 wrote: You are correct stating ND will never have difficulty scheduling opponents. The problem is if/when the P5 votes to restrict scheduling to other P5 members.

Navy is not a member of the Power 5.

Why does this matter? during WW2, Notre Dame faced severe financial problems. The Naval Academy more or less rented ND's facilities to use for training purposes. The money paid kept ND's athletics afloat.

The Irish promised to keep Navy on their football schedule every year thereafter as a show of respect and gratitude.

This is why I'm curious to find out how the Irish will respond if this rule is passed. Its a pretty big deal to both fan bases.


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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.

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mini, I am a big ND fan and I didn't know the story  about ND and Navy with this granularity.  It is cool to see reason they do play each season.  I would only say that ND has kept their promise for 70 years, more or less, and that probably satisfies their obligation when you consider the economics of it.  Navy has no economic problems, but they play football for fun and not, necessarily to fund parts of a university.  ND, however, needs to use football to generate funding.  I don't see how ND has any choice but to join a P5 conference.  And, with the playoff format, I do think they would have to drop all non P5 teams, if that is what is dictated by whatever qualifying metrics are in place.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:25 AM

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I would not be surprised to see some changes the conferences in the next few years.  The Big 12 can certainly add 2 or 4 more teams and I can see a scramble for teams to get into the mix.  BYU, Idaho St., Nevada come to mind.

Hope an allowance is given to allow for 1-2 games in a ten year stretch with non Power Conference schools.  To play a Wyoming or even an instate UNI once in a while isn't bad for an Iowa.

This shouldn't pertain to basketball and other sports for all games, but could improve schedules.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:40 AM

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Money has ruined college sports.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:59 AM

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Hawkaholic13 wrote: Money has ruined college sports.

I wouldn't even consider disagreeing with you on this point, than to say the ruining hasn't completed yet.  wink
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Very true.  College Presidents  sold out for the money.  Education is now secondary to football revenues.  Sad to see that.
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mini14 wrote: You are correct stating ND will never have difficulty scheduling opponents. The problem is if/when the P5 votes to restrict scheduling to other P5 members.

Navy is not a member of the Power 5.

Why does this matter? during WW2, Notre Dame faced severe financial problems. The Naval Academy more or less rented ND's facilities to use for training purposes. The money paid kept ND's athletics afloat.

The Irish promised to keep Navy on their football schedule every year thereafter as a show of respect and gratitude.

This is why I'm curious to find out how the Irish will respond if this rule is passed. Its a pretty big deal to both fan bases.


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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.

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If N.D. isn't a member of a P5 conference, why would any of those teams play them. It would only help N.D. keep up their image and hurt the P5 schools chance of getting into the playoffs. They can play each other and still make about the same amount of money. It serves no purpose to play N.D. under this new format. It would help in recruiting if N.D. never made it into the playoffs and also any conference letting them is in for trouble with their attitude.
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For whatever reason, the powers that be have given ND a free pass. This is another reason they're despised by so many. Considered a P5 member without full membership. I'm sure BYU fans are a little ticked off with this arrangement.
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mini14 wrote: You are correct stating ND will never have difficulty scheduling opponents. The problem is if/when the P5 votes to restrict scheduling to other P5 members.

Navy is not a member of the Power 5.

Why does this matter? during WW2, Notre Dame faced severe financial problems. The Naval Academy more or less rented ND's facilities to use for training purposes. The money paid kept ND's athletics afloat.

The Irish promised to keep Navy on their football schedule every year thereafter as a show of respect and gratitude.

This is why I'm curious to find out how the Irish will respond if this rule is passed. Its a pretty big deal to both fan bases.


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olroyjules wrote:
mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.
If it keeps N.D. out, I'm for it. If all these power conf. teams refuse to play N.D. they will be left out with their BIG T.V. money. When that dries up where will they be? Right where they belong!!!
I don’t forsee a situation where Notre Dame would have trouble scheduling opponents. They are probably the #1 draw as an opponent in the country still. I wish that they had joined the bitten. Had they done so, we would not have added Maryland an Rutgers because Notre Dame alone would have moved BTN into the NY market.

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If N.D. isn't a member of a P5 conference, why would any of those teams play them. It would only help N.D. keep up their image and hurt the P5 schools chance of getting into the playoffs. They can play each other and still make about the same amount of money. It serves no purpose to play N.D. under this new format. It would help in recruiting if N.D. never made it into the playoffs and also any conference letting them is in for trouble with their attitude.

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With improved ins. and some financial compensation you wonder if some schools will become more SEC like in "Creening" kids that don't show the ability or drive to perform.
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tbonehawkeye wrote:
kmurp wrote: Coaches won’t be the only people involved in a decision like this one.
it used to be that all 128 FBS schools would get an equal say in decisions like this.  but with autonomy, the 64 power 5 coaches will discuss this with their ADs and they will be making the decision on whether or not to go ahead with this; the remaining 64 FBS coaches / ADs will not have a say in this

Whats interesting is that the ESPN guy talks about 65 teams in the power 5; I guess he should get his #s right because there are only 64....correct?  LOL

14 ACC 
14 B1G
10  Big 12
12  PAC 12
14  SEC
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with 128 FBS teams, if the power 5 only play each other, what happens to the other 64? is there a new division created for them?
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My guess is that the 5 conferences will end up with 16 teams each which means there is room for 16 more teams to join the party. Conference title games would work like the first round of the playoffs (5 games) along with 6 additional wild card teams (3 games) resulting in an 8 team playoff bracket. This is just one of many options available that could be used to make for a credible solution to the playoff question.
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My guess is that the 5 conferences will end up with 16 teams each which means there is room for 16 more teams to join the party. Conference title games would work like the first round of the playoffs (5 games) along with 6 additional wild card teams (3 games) resulting in an 8 team playoff bracket. This is just one of many options available that could be used to make for a credible solution to the playoff question.
The P5 aren't going to bring 16 more mouths to feed, especially when you consider the candidates.  The very best candidates right now are marginal institutions such as BYU and Cincinnati.  There is zero chance that 16 more teams get added.  There is very little chance that more than two teams get added.
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My guess is that the 5 conferences will end up with 16 teams each which means there is room for 16 more teams to join the party. Conference title games would work like the first round of the playoffs (5 games) along with 6 additional wild card teams (3 games) resulting in an 8 team playoff bracket. This is just one of many options available that could be used to make for a credible solution to the playoff question.
The P5 aren't going to bring 16 more mouths to feed, especially when you consider the candidates.  The very best candidates right now are marginal institutions such as BYU and Cincinnati.  There is zero chance that 16 more teams get added.  There is very little chance that more than two teams get added.

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Did you think that Maryland and Rutgers were worthy expansion candidates to the Big10? I am guessing not. Programs can be built into viable programs with cash flow. It is more about viewership, at times, when it comes to expansion. Where do your two additional (assuming one is ND who is the other?) teams fit? The 10 team Big12 or the 12 team PAC12? Even if all of the 14 team conferences remained at 14, wouldn't it be logical for THE5 to have even membership? If so that might be a more attainable 6 teams. I think the recent expansion should have taught us one thing, never say never. I would like to see who predicted the expansions of the last few years. I would venture to guess absolutely no one predicted those expansions accurately.
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tbonehawkeye wrote: I think the "have not" conferences are gonna get royally screwed when it comes to football; they can't afford to pay the student athletes and they are probably going to be on the outside looking in when it comes to the major bowl games; and if they can't get the big pay check for traveling to an Iowa/Ohio State/Michigan?  That's gonna hurt big time.

i think Iowa will have to drop some sports like mens gymnastics in order to make ends meet because keep in mind that they are talking about paying EVERY athlete $2,000-$5,000 per year in addition to the free tuition/room/board.  


mini14 wrote: So....the Power-5 conferences demand autonomy to better serve their student athletes, then turn around and refuse to play mid-majors, forcing the "have nots" to drop athletic scholarships because of lost revenue. Hmmm....I guess if the AAC matches the stipends, they'll be punished into obscurity thanks to the P5 refusing to schedule them. Is this truly about the welfare of the student-athlete?

If this happens, how will Notre Dame react with its commitment to Navy? What about Utah and its rivalry with BYU?

I'm all in when it comes to dropping directional schools from the schedule, but these proposals seem a bit extreme to me.

That's how I see it also. The days of cream puffs are over.

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My guess is that the 5 conferences will end up with 16 teams each which means there is room for 16 more teams to join the party. Conference title games would work like the first round of the playoffs (5 games) along with 6 additional wild card teams (3 games) resulting in an 8 team playoff bracket. This is just one of many options available that could be used to make for a credible solution to the playoff question.
The P5 aren't going to bring 16 more mouths to feed, especially when you consider the candidates.  The very best candidates right now are marginal institutions such as BYU and Cincinnati.  There is zero chance that 16 more teams get added.  There is very little chance that more than two teams get added.

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Did you think that Maryland and Rutgers were worthy expansion candidates to the Big10? I am guessing not. Programs can be built into viable programs with cash flow. It is more about viewership, at times, when it comes to expansion. Where do your two additional (assuming one is ND who is the other?) teams fit? The 10 team Big12 or the 12 team PAC12? Even if all of the 14 team conferences remained at 14, wouldn't it be logical for THE5 to have even membership? If so that might be a more attainable 6 teams. I think the recent expansion should have taught us one thing, never say never. I would like to see who predicted the expansions of the last few years. I would venture to guess absolutely no one predicted those expansions accurately.
I had been trying to tell you people this all was going to happen but you all ridiculed me and dismissed me as some troll.  And when Florida State and Clemson join the Big 12 next year you will all be bowing to my superior intillect.

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Dohly wrote:

 Even if all of the 14 team conferences remained at 14, wouldn't it be logical for THE5 to have even membership? If so that might be a more attainable 6 teams.
A big problem with most amateur prognosticators is the desire to see "logic" in the additions.  Everyone was predicting 4 conferences of 16 teams each, because it was "logical" and fit their idea of a little bracket.

Each conference is going to make moves that make financial and institutional sense for them.  Rutgers/Maryland made financial and institutional sense for the B1G.  Maryland was hard to project because no one could really foresee them leave the ACC.  But Rutgers has been considered a B1G expansion target since the 80s.  

The PAC doesn't really have any expansion candidates.  UNLV, NM, NMSU, yuck.  Doubtful that they'd accept the religious and scheduling difficulties of BYU.  So, there is no financial or institutional fit there.

B12 could add a couple.  But thats just a maybe.

A few teams could jump between the P5, but doubtful that any from the G5 join the P5.
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Still wonder if Texas and OKlahoma will end up in a super conference with the sec, Clemson and FSU. It would make the SEC network get wry high ratings and revenue. Break off from NCAA and write your own rules. Kinda mini NFL.
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hoxrock wrote:

I had been trying to tell you people this all was going to happen but you all ridiculed me and dismissed me as some troll.  And when Florida State and Clemson join the Big 12 next year you will all be bowing to my superior intillect.

Signed:  AZCyclone


Next year?  I thought it was this year.  And last year.

By the way do you remember the name of that white wide receiver from ISU who caught everything in sight and is now playing in the NFL?
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mini14 wrote:
BYU, UConn, and Cinci are the only schools left that can bring any kind of value to the Big 12. If Boise State didn't have such horrible academic standards, they'd be a decent addition, as well.

Boise State's academics are not out of line for the Big 12.
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