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Micah Hyde beating out Ha Ha Clinton-Dix at Green Bay

Posted: 8/3/2014 7:33 AM

Micah Hyde beating out Ha Ha Clinton-Dix at Green Bay 


Word from the Green Bay Packer camp is that Hyde has been converted from CB to free safety. And now he is keeping Clinton-Dix with the second team. They like his toughness and his ability to blitz.

It will be interesting to see who wins that camp battle.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 9:42 AM

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I'll bet on Hyde.  They looked for ways to get him on the field last season as a rookie.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 9:53 AM

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Considering Hyde has 2 years of solid play on Dix, not to mention a better head screwed on his shoulders, this isn't that surprising. But it will be a big deal because an Alabama player taken in the first round was beat out by a "nodoby" from Iowa.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 1:32 PM

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They are saying Hyde's versatility is a huge plus.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 2:28 PM

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A second year player familar with the defense beating out a rookie one week into training camp?  Amazing.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 3:35 PM

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Management won't be for letting the dollar commitment sit.  Ha-Ha will have the last laugh, but Micah will play a role and seeing him in the 5 db packages is likely.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 10:04 AM

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I am just glad to see another successful Hawkeye at the NFL level. 

Eventually, that reputation will solidify and hopefully pay dividends on the recruiting circuit.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 6:41 PM

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I am just glad to see another successful Hawkeye at the NFL level. 

Eventually, that reputation will solidify and hopefully pay dividends on the recruiting circuit.

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We have had NFL success with our players consistently for awhile now. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to resonate with 18 year old kids.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:12 AM

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--- irishchihawk wrote:

I am just glad to see another successful Hawkeye at the NFL level. 

Eventually, that reputation will solidify and hopefully pay dividends on the recruiting circuit.

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We have had NFL success with our players consistently for awhile now. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to resonate with 18 year old kids.

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Dohly is exactly right. We have been turning out NFL ready talent for years now with mainly 2 and 3 star recruits, but it doesn't seem to resonate with some recruits. I liked what the GB coach said a couple of years ago when he selected Daniels in a late round, "I was simply looking for the best available Hawkeye"!
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:12 PM

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Has anyone ever considered that maybe our 2 star talent was miss-ranked?! I know everyone naturally assumes that we'd be "that much better" with 4 and 5 star talent. But life doesn't work that way. I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well. And you'd have to remind yourself that Bama, Texas, USC, etc have ALWAYS signed great classes yet they have waned greatly in record over the years....

 

The point being, everyone has to evaluate their own recruits and then coach them....its not a one size fits all equation. The one thing that I have never been able to get people to consistently "see" is..KF and staff are fine enuff coaches and teachers, but what they are really GREAT at is evaluating talent and then placing it in the right spot to succeed.

 

Most of these kids didn't get coached up for 4 years and then hit the field, many if not most hit the field pretty early. In fact if you go back and look, if a 2 star player didn't make a mark by at least his RS Soph year, he was either gone or never really played much. What we are really doing is finding 2 and 3 star guys who were really 4 stars to begin with and just didn't receive the hype or grade for whatever reason. Its not just us it happens continually. The NFL is STILL filled every draft with these kids who go off to obscure colleges and start right away.....Its still a very inexact science.  

 

 

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Last edited 8/5/2014 3:34 PM by cmhawks99

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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:41 PM

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I don't think there is any question.  Daniels just committed to Iowa and he seemed to have an offer from every college football team with a pulse including the big dogs.  However, he was only rated 3 stars.  How is that possible?  Was he rated 4 stars until he committed to Iowa and then get dropped to three?
cmhawks99 wrote:

Has anyone ever considered that maybe our 2 star talent was miss-ranked?! I know everyone naturally assumes that we'd be "that much better" with 4 and 5 star talent. But life doesn't work that way. I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well. And you'd have to remind yourself that Bama, Texas, USC, etc have ALWAYS signed great classes yet they have waned greatly in record over the years....

 

The point being, everyone has to evaluate their own recruits and then coach them....its not a one size fits all equation. The one thing that I have never been able to get people to consistently "see" is..KF and staff are fine enuff coaches and teachers, but what they are really GREAT at is evaluating talent and then placing it in the right spot to succeed.

 

Most of these kids didn't get coached up for 4 years and then hit the field, many if not most hit the field pretty early. In fact if you go back and look, if a 2 star player didn't make a mark by at least his RS Soph year, he was either gone or never really played much. What we are really doing is finding 2 and 3 star guys who were really 4 stars to begin with and just didn't receive the hype or grade for whatever reason. Its not just us it happens continually. The NFL is STILL filled every draft with these kids who go off to obscure colleges and start right away.....Its still a very inexact science.  

 

 

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Posted: 8/5/2014 4:22 PM

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Or you take a hypothetical kid out of Des Moines, and place him in Jacksonville, Florida, suddenly that same kid goes from a 2 star to a 4 star.   A self fulfilling prophecy. 
theiowahawkeye wrote: I don't think there is any question.  Daniels just committed to Iowa and he seemed to have an offer from every college football team with a pulse including the big dogs.  However, he was only rated 3 stars.  How is that possible?  Was he rated 4 stars until he committed to Iowa and then get dropped to three?
cmhawks99 wrote:

Has anyone ever considered that maybe our 2 star talent was miss-ranked?! I know everyone naturally assumes that we'd be "that much better" with 4 and 5 star talent. But life doesn't work that way. I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well. And you'd have to remind yourself that Bama, Texas, USC, etc have ALWAYS signed great classes yet they have waned greatly in record over the years....

 

The point being, everyone has to evaluate their own recruits and then coach them....its not a one size fits all equation. The one thing that I have never been able to get people to consistently "see" is..KF and staff are fine enuff coaches and teachers, but what they are really GREAT at is evaluating talent and then placing it in the right spot to succeed.

 

Most of these kids didn't get coached up for 4 years and then hit the field, many if not most hit the field pretty early. In fact if you go back and look, if a 2 star player didn't make a mark by at least his RS Soph year, he was either gone or never really played much. What we are really doing is finding 2 and 3 star guys who were really 4 stars to begin with and just didn't receive the hype or grade for whatever reason. Its not just us it happens continually. The NFL is STILL filled every draft with these kids who go off to obscure colleges and start right away.....Its still a very inexact science.  

 

 

C

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Posted: 8/5/2014 6:29 PM

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cmhawks99 wrote:

I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well.  



The simple answer is that 4 star recruits don't go to ISU.  But they have signed seven over the last twelve years.  Their track record is as expected -- none accomplished much of anything or even come close to being drafted or playing in the NFL:

2003 TE James Wright (JUCO) - caught 17 passes and scored 0 TD's in 2 years on bad teams

2005 TE Walter Nickel - played 2 years on bad teams.  Labelled as a bust by ESPN:http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/...e/walter-nickel

2005 TE Trent Flander - dismissed by Dan McCarney after being arrested for assaulting a police officer, finished underachieving career at UNI

2005 DT Thomas Patton (JUCO) - no clue

2007 RB Jamicah Bass (JUCO) - Rushed for 592 yards total in 2 years as team when 5-19.

2013 OT Jake Campos & 2014 WR Allen Lazard - following in the footsteps of the 4-stars who went before them.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:54 PM

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cmhawks99 wrote:I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well.  



The simple answer is that 4 star recruits don't go to ISU.  But they have signed seven over the last twelve years.  Their track record is as expected -- none accomplished much of anything or even come close to being drafted or playing in the NFL:

2003 TE James Wright (JUCO) - caught 17 passes and scored 0 TD's in 2 years on bad teams

2005 TE Walter Nickel - played 2 years on bad teams.  Labelled as a bust by ESPN:espn.go.com/blog/big12/...e/walter-nickel

2005 TE Trent Flander - dismissed by Dan McCarney after being arrested for assaulting a police officer, finished underachieving career at UNI

2005 DT Thomas Patton (JUCO) - no clue

2007 RB Jamicah Bass (JUCO) - Rushed for 592 yards total in 2 years as team when 5-19.

2013 OT Jake Campos & 2014 WR Allen Lazard - following in the footsteps of the 4-stars who went before them.

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You can add former Iowa commit and JUCO transfer Rodney Coe to that list.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 12:33 AM

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About a year ago I was talking with a D1 position coach. We were discussing Iowa and what they do with the kids they recruit. He had a two part answer: Part 1 - as suggested below is geography, partly level of competition driving stats and partly kids getting seen. Part 2 - "When you take a four star kid from Texas, you know exactly what you are going to get. When you take a 3 star kid from Iowa you know at a minimum what you are going to get."

I thought part 2 was fairly insightful.
irishchihawk wrote: Or you take a hypothetical kid out of Des Moines, and place him in Jacksonville, Florida, suddenly that same kid goes from a 2 star to a 4 star.   A self fulfilling prophecy. 
theiowahawkeye wrote: I don't think there is any question.  Daniels just committed to Iowa and he seemed to have an offer from every college football team with a pulse including the big dogs.  However, he was only rated 3 stars.  How is that possible?  Was he rated 4 stars until he committed to Iowa and then get dropped to three?
cmhawks99 wrote:

Has anyone ever considered that maybe our 2 star talent was miss-ranked?! I know everyone naturally assumes that we'd be "that much better" with 4 and 5 star talent. But life doesn't work that way. I know the "logic" seems to fit but then you'd have to ask yourself why the 4 stars that go to Iowa State haven't typically worked out very well. And you'd have to remind yourself that Bama, Texas, USC, etc have ALWAYS signed great classes yet they have waned greatly in record over the years....

 

 

 

C

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