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OT: World cup speed vs Tavian Banks

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Posted: 6/20/2014 8:18 AM

OT: World cup speed vs Tavian Banks 


For you soccer gurus out there (if any) how good of a soccer player was TB and was his speed as good or better than most world cup players?

What do you think those guys run a 40 in? Are there 4.4 guys out there?

Im not a big soccer fan but its hard to ignore with all the espn coverage. Now dont get me wrong, ill bet a guys trip to Rio would be damn fun!!

 

                                                    The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender.  ~ Vince Lombardi

Last edited 6/20/2014 8:26 AM by Niemo

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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:14 AM

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Really great thought provoking post.

Tavian was super fast and great football player... what if Tavian would have concentrated on Soccer, had great coaching and competition?

What about Tim Dwight or even Tom Dodge? Would the USA be a bit more competitive in the World CUP?

Loving the World Cup.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:37 PM

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Not only do I think the US would be competitve but I think we could dominate.  You figure where the best athletes in American concentrate their efforts toward,  football, basketball, baseball, track and field etc.  Not sure what order soccer would be.  I think youth soccer has really increased in the last 10-20 years which has helped the US compete but it's still nowhere near the most popular sport where it is in many (most) other countries.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:16 PM

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could you imagine lebron james as a goalie..
LaXHawkeye wrote: Not only do I think the US would be competitve but I think we could dominate.  You figure where the best athletes in American concentrate their efforts toward,  football, basketball, baseball, track and field etc.  Not sure what order soccer would be.  I think youth soccer has really increased in the last 10-20 years which has helped the US compete but it's still nowhere near the most popular sport where it is in many (most) other countries.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 9:18 PM

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Banks credited a lot of his football skills to playing soccer. Footwork, change of direction ect. I think our World Cup team could use a guy like Tavian about right now.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:33 PM

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Tavian Banks had legitimate 4.3 speed, and a long NFL career was taken away from him thanks to a cheap shot. I still get mad thinking about it.

What a waste, regardless of the sport he chose to pursue...
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Posted: 6/22/2014 10:56 AM

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Actually our national team this year is pretty athletic as we can see after the Ghana/Germany game. Also Cristiano Ronaldo has been clocked covering 96 meters with the ball while slowing down to shoot. And he isn't necessarily the fastest player in the world and in fact probably isn't. We have a tendency in America to pretend like "IF" we tried and committed our best athletes wed dominate but that's not true. Speed is great in soccer but it is a highly highly skilled sport. Commit yourself to watching a couple of the world class teams play. And if you can't do that go to YouTube and look at some highlights. Great athletes but even more shocking technicians.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:27 PM

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Not a big soccer fan overall, but it is a great entry level sport for any 5 year old boy or girl. The first thing they get is foot agility which translates to every other sport. Conditioning/stamina is also a great benefit they get from soccer with little risk of injury. IMO, a parent could not go wrong getting their kids involved in soccer at an early age. This coming from a huge football and baseball fan. At the pro level, flat out speed is important but the conditioning/stamina might be even more important.
"If the other team doesn't score, the worst we can do is tie." - Hayden Fry
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Posted: 6/24/2014 1:36 PM

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IMO, Soccer is probably the best sport overall.  As another poster said above, this sport isn't all about speed.  It's nice to have though.  The really good players in the world usually have good-great speed while the best players have great field awareness and presence while on the pitch.  That's what makes Messi the best in the world (by far)...he isn't the fastest in the world but he is by far the best overall with his uncanny ability to see everything on the field.

Anybody who watched the match between U.S.A. and Portugal saw the difference between the technique that Ronaldo has compared to anybody we have on the field.  The U.S. can create that kind of player too, once we start focusing more on soccer.  The U.S. attacked every player while on defense but they always gave him room so he wouldn't blow past them.  He's fast but but that isn't his main threat.  His excellent footwork is what sets him apart from the rest.

The Ivory Coast vs. Japan match was a great example of what a world class player can do for his team even if he isn't directly involved in every aspect.  Ivory Coast was down 1- 0 until Drogba came in.  Once he was in, every soccer fan knew that it was Ivory Coast's to lose at that point...and we were right.

I also believe that once America starts really caring about soccer, they can eclipse their annual top 15-25 ranking in the world into a top 5.  We have the population for it to happen, all we need is the same desire as the top countries in the world.  We're getting there slowly but surely.

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Last edited 6/24/2014 1:37 PM by AEGHawkeye

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Posted: 6/24/2014 5:42 PM

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Soccer should be banned in this country  and left to the third world. Concentrate on the real sports, football, basketball and baseball. I was stuck in a car dealer waiting room with only the world cup on tv and they definitely have learned from MSU how to do the fake injury thing to get a free break. Finally fell asleep in the chair and got relief.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:18 PM

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So the average 40 time for an average world cup starter would be what? Faster or slower than 4.65

 

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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:47 PM

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TJHawkeye wrote: Soccer should be banned in this country  and left to the third world. Concentrate on the real sports, football, basketball and baseball. I was stuck in a car dealer waiting room with only the world cup on tv and they definitely have learned from MSU how to do the fake injury thing to get a free break. Finally fell asleep in the chair and got relief.
By the time anti-football lawsuits have run their course, football will have a better chance of being banned than will soccer. On the other hand, that may coincide with the US becoming a third world country.
"If the other team doesn't score, the worst we can do is tie." - Hayden Fry
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Posted: 6/24/2014 7:38 PM

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Dohly wrote:
TJHawkeye wrote: Soccer should be banned in this country  and left to the third world. Concentrate on the real sports, football, basketball and baseball. I was stuck in a car dealer waiting room with only the world cup on tv and they definitely have learned from MSU how to do the fake injury thing to get a free break. Finally fell asleep in the chair and got relief.
By the time anti-football lawsuits have run their course, football will have a better chance of being banned than will soccer. On the other hand, that may coincide with the US becoming a third world country.


     Touche', good stuff............On a related note soccer isnt a 3rd world sport though I know thats what people like to tell themselves.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 2:20 PM

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I doubt anyone in the World Cup has superior speed to what Banks had in his prime.  Tavian was faster than Tim Dwight, who could run 100 meters in the 10.3s.  Tavian proved he was faster than Dwight when they raced in the Ped-Mall.  (semi-famous true story).  Had Banks run track in high school, Dwight wouldn't have won any 100 or 200 meter titles.  Zip.
Herkey's no turkey!
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Posted: 7/16/2014 6:45 PM

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forgedpistons wrote: I doubt anyone in the World Cup has superior speed to what Banks had in his prime.  Tavian was faster than Tim Dwight, who could run 100 meters in the 10.3s.  Tavian proved he was faster than Dwight when they raced in the Ped-Mall.  (semi-famous true story).  Had Banks run track in high school, Dwight wouldn't have won any 100 or 200 meter titles.  Zip.
This always comes up as to which one was faster. People have seen both beat each other at different times. One thing I have never seen is a coach or Iowa player say who is faster. We will never know for sure until these people speak up.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:13 AM

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Interesting to bring up Banks v. Dwight, and speed. And I will take it a bit further afield -- I saw an alumni basketball game with BJ Armstrong and Ronnie Lester.  Ronnie Lester was quite a lot older and out of basketball for years, but appeared to be the quicker of the two during that game when BJ Armstrong was an NBA player, and Lester was serving as an NBA scout, and had not played in the NBA for years.

The unrealized potential Lester had that was lost due to the unfortunate knee injury in his senior year at Iowa was heartrending as a fan, and must have been so much worse for Lester.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:42 PM

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I've never heard anyone tell a story of Dwight beating Banks in a sprint.  I'd love to hear yours.
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