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IOWA'S Strength of Schedule is worst in B1G

Posted: 5/28/2014 3:07 AM

IOWA'S Strength of Schedule is worst in B1G 


I hope this does not come back to bite us.

School SOS
Ohio State 9th
Rutgers 11th
Indiana 14th
Nebraska 18th
Maryland 25th
Illinois 33rd
Michigan State 37th
Penn State 42nd
Minnesota 43rd
Michigan 44th
Wisconsin 48th
Northwestern 53rd
Purdue 62nd
Iowa 73rd
Note: Based on the old BCS SOS formula using last year's data for current year opponents. The SOS ranking is overall for all 128 FBS schools.




Here is a look at some of the more interesting schedules.

Ohio State: The league-favorite Buckeyes are playing a few decent non-conference opponents, but nobody on the road. They will host Virginia Tech and Cincinnati, which are good teams, but likely not good enough to win in Columbus. They will also play Navy in Baltimore, but the Middies probably couldn't beat Ohio State at sea. In the league, the Buckeyes have relatively soft cross-division games with Illinois and Minnesota. They also have road games at Michigan State and Penn State. Those two figure to be the biggest road blocks between them and a playoff spot.

Michigan State: The Spartans beat Ohio State in the Big Ten title game last year, but now, they are in the same division. Sparty has the league's toughest non-conference game when it plays at Oregon on Sept. 6th. Their conference schedule is nice though. Along with the Buckeyes, they also host Nebraska and Michigan. Their other cross-division game besides the Cornhuskers is at Purdue. The Spartans could be a popular pick to win the league again with this schedule.

Nebraska: Bo Pelini's crew will host Miami in non-conference play, and also plays one of the four Big Ten road games against a non-major. The Cornhuskers will play at Fresno State on Sept. 13th. The conference did them no favors with their league schedule. If Nebraska will win the inaugural West division title, they'll have to do so fighting through games at Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan State.

Wisconsin: The Badgers open the season with a bang, taking on LSU in Houston. That figures to be a pseudo-home game for the Tigers. Other than that, the schedule doesn't have too many potholes on it. They have road games with Northwestern (which is never really a home crowd disadvantage) and Iowa. That is among the reasons why they are the favorite in the West.

Penn State: There is no FCS opponent on the schedule, which is something only Ohio State and Michigan can also claim. However, is playing Temple and UMass at home that much better? The Nittany Lions will travel to Ireland to play UCF to open the season. They are not eligible for the postseason again this year, so they will not represent the East in the Big Ten title game, but they could have a say in who does. They host the top two contenders, Michigan State and the Buckeyes.

Michigan: The Wolverines will relive one of its nightmares when it hosts newly-minted, FBS opponent Appalachian State to open the season. They also have road games with all three of its big rivals, Notre Dame, Michigan State and Ohio State.

Iowa: The Hawkeyes could be a sleeper in the West. Their non-conference schedule could put you to sleep too. They face in-state foes Iowa State and Northern Iowa. I'm not sure which is better. Pitt should provide a bit of a challenge in Pittsburgh. In the league, they get Northwestern (at home) and Maryland as their cross-division games, and finish the season with back to back home games against Wisconsin and Nebraska.

Indiana: Kevin Wilson is in his fourth year of rebuilding the Hoosiers and still looking for his first bowl game. This year's schedule won't help. IU is one of two league teams, along with Maryland, playing two road non-conference games. Unfortunately for the Hoosiers, both opponents, Missouri and Bowling Green, are good enough to beat them. The new divisional alignment puts them in the much tougher East and a road game at Iowa is one of their cross-divisional games.

Minnesota: If the Gophers are going bowling this year, they may want to get eligibility sewn up before November. They finish with Iowa and Ohio State at home, followed by roadies with Nebraska and Wisconsin.

Source:  http://www.cbssports.com/colle...hedules-big-ten


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We will go 14-4 in the B1G (25-6 overall)...or better =)  

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Posted: 5/28/2014 5:39 AM

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We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 6:09 AM

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We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.

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Gotta agree with Al here. Besides many of our preconference games seem to be much closer then they should be.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 12:37 PM

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Strength of schedule means nothing until all the games have been played.  No one knows how a team will be until deep into the season.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 12:38 PM

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AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue


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Posted: 5/28/2014 1:21 PM

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tbonehawkeye wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue
First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?
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Posted: 5/28/2014 3:54 PM

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AlSpangler wrote:
tbonehawkeye wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue
First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?
my comment was tongue in cheek but bottom line, strength of schedule is going to be a big factor in who is chosen for the final 4

and the SEC bias is going to be hard to overcome; it will be interesting to see if in the end the final 4 consists of reps from 4 different conferences (example: FL State, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon) or will the SEC make up 2 of the final 4?


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Posted: 5/28/2014 4:23 PM

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 First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?

Pre season or bowl games? 

Last year MSU vs Auburn would be a toss up.  Play it in Michigan in Jan and MSU wins it

OSU vs Alabama both (imo) were not as good as they thought they were.  Bama wins

Iowa   LSU   We know the outcome.  Again, play it away from the south probably have different results

Big 10 may lose more than they win but doesn't mean the difference is that far apart.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 4:48 PM

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AlSpangler wrote:
tbonehawkeye wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue
First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?
Al, I really do disagree with this part.  Living down here in Oklahoma, I was able to get Bob Stoops' gist of his preseason comments about the $EC being top heavy; 3 or 4 teams, and then the rest were at a much lower level.  Bama, Auburn, LSU, Mizzou (maybe A&M) and that was about it.  The $EC is quite pedestrian, after that.  What it really shows is how well E$ecPN is selling the $EC; perhaps due to their contract???  In any event, I'd take the lower half of the B1G over the lower half of the $EC, and that, to me, makes the B1G a better conference top to bottom.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 7:35 PM

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LaXHawkeye wrote: Strength of schedule means nothing until all the games have been played.  No one knows how a team will be until deep into the season.

Exactly-stating a team's SOS before any of the games are played is about as dumb as predicting the bowl games in May (which has been going on a lot the past week)
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Posted: 5/28/2014 8:22 PM

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AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
There in lies the problem whether we like it or not. In no way, shape, or form should that be considered a tough or even average OOC schedule for a team with top 25-30 aspirations.  It's just not.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 9:12 AM

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How about you take a look at the SEC non-conference schedules. I am curious to see the juggernauts some of them play!rolleyes
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Posted: 5/29/2014 9:58 AM

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It would be great if at the end of the year we had to worry about this issue.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:59 AM

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I found this article.  It does a good job of describing how I feel about the $EC, E$ecPN and the BCS (which extends to any championship format that would include human input (other than results on the field) to select who get into any playoff system.)

http://www.thepostgame.com/com...hompson-sec-bcs
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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:16 PM

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BingKing wrote:
LaXHawkeye wrote: Strength of schedule means nothing until all the games have been played.  No one knows how a team will be until deep into the season.

Exactly-stating a team's SOS before any of the games are played is about as dumb as predicting the bowl games in May (which has been going on a lot the past week)
that's why the author states exactly what #s he is using in determining SOS; at this moment in time, this is where the strengths of schedules line up; things could change, of course, based on games' outcomes

When you look at our 12 game schedule, you can see why our schedule would be ranked low going in.  When your schedule consists of Northern Iowa, Ball State, Iowa State, Pitt, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, N'w (did not win a B1G game last year), MN, Illinois and closing at home with WI and NE, it is far from "murderer's row...."

And, again, strength of schedule is HUGE in determining the 4 team playoff and if our end of season SOS is LOUSY (dead last in the B1G), we will get hammered because of it.

Not saying we are going to the playoff; just saying that we could be 10-0 going into the final 2 games and if our SOS is lousy, we will be trashed in the national media


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We will go 14-4 in the B1G (25-6 overall)...or better =)  

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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:25 PM

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WizardHawk wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
There in lies the problem whether we like it or not. In no way, shape, or form should that be considered a tough or even average OOC schedule for a team with top 25-30 aspirations.  It's just not.
Remember in 2009 when we were still undefeated and the national media kept bashing us, saying that "they should have lost to UNI...."


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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:00 PM

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playing a poor schedule just gives the haters ammunition.  Lets beef it up guys!
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Posted: 6/1/2014 11:55 PM

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Iowa has no control of the BIG TEN schedule.... I REPEAT NO CONTROL. Many years past they have started the conference on the road and have had the toughest conference schedule.

Iowa plays a big time, inter-state rival in Iowa State that only a hand full of other BCS have to face.

Iowa plays another BCS and ACC opponent in PITT that is highly rated.

Iowa is playing an in-state FCS highly rated opponent UNI that  has beat several FBS teams in years past.

Iowa is playing a Ball State team, a MAC team that has been up and down over the last few years and on the way up.

May we all wait until late December to judge and rate Iowa's strength of schedule.

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I found this article.  It does a good job of describing how I feel about the $EC, E$ecPN and the BCS (which extends to any championship format that would include human input (other than results on the field) to select who get into any playoff system.)

www.thepostgame.com/com...hompson-sec-bcs

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That was a very good article that expressed my exact feelings about all the high rankings before a game is even played as well as the in season manipulation of the standings. Further evidence of the scam is Texas A&M and Missouri immediately rising to the upper tier of the SEC after not really Being competitive in their years in the supposedly inferior B12.
"If the other team doesn't score, the worst we can do is tie." - Hayden Fry
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Posted: 6/2/2014 6:04 AM

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tbonehawkeye wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue
First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?

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You left off A&M. :). I think that the Bigten would have a hard time winning a game.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 7:40 AM

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kmurp wrote:


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tbonehawkeye wrote:
AlSpangler wrote: We all know that our schedule for the next couple years is fairly soft. But our non-conference schedule is not as simple as people may think. Playing at Pitt will be tough. In-state foes of ISU and UNI are their biggest games of the year and they will be sky-high in anticipation of beating the Hawks. Ball St. was 10-3 last year and beat Virginia by 3 touchdowns on the road. They average 40 a game. They will not be a pushover by any means. They always seem to have some big play WR's.
explain that to the selection committee when we are 13-0 and a 2 loss Alabama is picked for the Final 4 and Iowa is left out  tongue
First off, I doubt any 2 loss team would get in before an undefeated Iowa team. Secondly, the SEC is a far superior conference to the Big Ten right now. How do you think the 6 best from the Big Ten would do against Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri and Georgia?

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You left off A&M. :). I think that the Bigten would have a hard time winning a game.
Yes I did. I do agree with you. But I also see the point that is being made that the bottom half of the Big Ten may be stronger than the bottom half of the SEC.......maybe.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 12:16 PM

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Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.
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kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.
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hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.
Thanks, I didn’t know that. It will be interesting to see how Indiana does this year against Missouri. They might give them a good game. Not too confident in Wisconsin vs. LSU though.
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ArvadaHawk wrote: I found this article.  It does a good job of describing how I feel about the $EC, E$ecPN and the BCS (which extends to any championship format that would include human input (other than results on the field) to select who get into any playoff system.)

http://www.thepostgame.com/com...hompson-sec-bcs
Good article. After seeing what happened to Oregon compared to Alabama, I wonder why more coaches and media don't vote different. ESPN and the SEC aren't the only ones that get to vote.
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8then88 wrote: How about you take a look at the SEC non-conference schedules. I am curious to see the juggernauts some of them play!rolleyes
Fla. State, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Louisville, Indiana, UCF, Texas Tech, WVU, Boise St, Rice, Wisconsin...

pretty decent games IMO
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Posted: 6/12/2014 11:42 PM

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Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.
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Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Sure enough another $EC bigot chimes in with an apples to oranges comparison. After all, if B1G schools had 32 recruits in their class, as Tenn did last year, we might be beating our chests too!
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Very seldom do we get any schedule advantages. Can't we just sit back and watch it play out without being all doom and gloom over it?
The Miami Dolphins had a very week schedule the year they went undefeated and became the only NFL team to ever have accomplished the feat. They never catch any heat over their weak schedule.
Some teams will always be better than people anticipate they will be and other teams will do worse than people project. I guess that 's why they play the games. "0n paper" schedules don't mean squat.
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You lost me when you called Iowa State a big time interstate rival. I've also never seen that Pitt was highly rated. That being said, that doesn't mean those two teams can't or won't be at least decent.
aaronzuriel wrote: Iowa has no control of the BIG TEN schedule.... I REPEAT NO CONTROL. Many years past they have started the conference on the road and have had the toughest conference schedule.

Iowa plays a big time, inter-state rival in Iowa State that only a hand full of other BCS have to face.

Iowa plays another BCS and ACC opponent in PITT that is highly rated.

Iowa is playing an in-state FCS highly rated opponent UNI that  has beat several FBS teams in years past.

Iowa is playing a Ball State team, a MAC team that has been up and down over the last few years and on the way up.

May we all wait until late December to judge and rate Iowa's strength of schedule.
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Solely speaking on Iowa's SOS: While it's true the games won't be easy wins, we're probably not a top 10 team over, yet we don't have any "should lose" or "will probably lose" games.  Last year we looked at the OSU game and thought to ourselves, 'we'll probably lose that one, but otherwise we have a chance in all of them.'  This year, we say 'we have a good chance in all of them.'  Really, unless you're a sure fire top 10 team, if your schedule is worth anything, you should have a game or two where you're not really sure you should/could win.

So yea, we've got to win, and if we don't, that's when it will bite us.  It's likely we'll play a very good team in the B1G championship IF we're fortunate enough to win the first 12.

Really, I believe we'll probably not get the chance to have this debate in December, but it doesn't hurt to dream.
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SEC bigot? LOL what does that even mean

We signed 32 because we were very very short on team depth and didn't even have 72 players a few seasons ago thanks to Kiffin leaving in the middle of recruiting weekend and running off other players...

We have the same number of players you have...so I don't understand what you are upset about...theres nothing wrong with early enrollees
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Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Sure enough another $EC bigot chimes in with an apples to oranges comparison. After all, if B1G schools had 32 recruits in their class, as Tenn did last year, we might be beating our chests too!
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Posted: 6/13/2014 4:30 PM

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How does playing highly ranked teams automatically mean that you would do well, especially if you lost EVERY single one of those games aside from South Carolina?

And please provide something to back up your claims. hawkjth at least provided specific examples to further his point, and you just make claims with nothing but speculation founded on the quality of losses to back it up? Absurd


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--- CassandraVol wrote:

Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Posted: 6/13/2014 4:32 PM

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See the bolded area for that "apples to oranges" comparison


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SEC bigot? LOL what does that even mean

We signed 32 because we were very very short on team depth and didn't even have 72 players a few seasons ago thanks to Kiffin leaving in the middle of recruiting weekend and running off other players...

We have the same number of players you have...so I don't understand what you are upset about...theres nothing wrong with early enrollees
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--- CassandraVol wrote:

Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:24 PM

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Iowa is playing an in-state FCS highly rated opponent UNI that  has beat several FBS teams in years past.

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Several?

UNI beat Kansas State a couple of times back in the 1980's when everyone beat Kansas State. And they've beaten ISU three times since the 90's, which, quite frankly, is not that big of an accomplishment.

Iowa fans shouldn't be pointing to the UNI game and pretending it's something huge. It isn't, and pretending otherwise is embarassing.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 11:30 PM

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well if you beat a top ten team and play a couple of more top 15 teams in games that couldve gone either way..then it reasons that you might win games vs the following

Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northern Iowa, Iowa St, Ball St, Maryland, N'Western, Minnesota...

that's 9 games that Tennessee wouldve been favored in last season, and that's with UT being young and injured with a 3rd string QB

now compare that with Iowa playing our schedule...how many of these games would Iowa win?

Auburn (12-2)
@ Missouri (12-2)
@ Alabama (11-2)
@ Oregon (11-2)
South Carolina (11-2)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
Georgia (8-5)
@ Florida (4-8)
Western Kentucky (8-4)

could Iowa beat Florida or South Carolina? of course...but knowing how Ferentz coaches, they couldve lost to WKU or Vandy as well...

It is all just speculation but how many of THOSE games would Iowa be favorited in compared to how many UT would be favored in against Iowa's schedule..

if you dont see the difference in toughness, I dont know what to tell you



2015178 wrote: How does playing highly ranked teams automatically mean that you would do well, especially if you lost EVERY single one of those games aside from South Carolina?

And please provide something to back up your claims. hawkjth at least provided specific examples to further his point, and you just make claims with nothing but speculation founded on the quality of losses to back it up? Absurd


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--- CassandraVol wrote:

Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Again, you can't just put Tennessee in the Big Ten, or Iowa in the SEC as is. You assume that the style of play in the Big Ten is the same as the SEC, that SEC programs are run the same way as Big Ten programs, and this isn't even taking into account the fact that Tennessee could never even get into the Big Ten due to location (which by the way is right near a hotbed of recruits).

As florida stated, it's an apples and oranges comparison, and one that can't realistically be made.

EDIT: And again, you can't try to make a legitimate argument and argue it using this garbage: "could Iowa beat Florida or South Carolina? of course...but knowing how Ferentz coaches, they couldve lost to WKU or Vandy as well..."

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well if you beat a top ten team and play a couple of more top 15 teams in games that couldve gone either way..then it reasons that you might win games vs the following

Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northern Iowa, Iowa St, Ball St, Maryland, N'Western, Minnesota...

that's 9 games that Tennessee wouldve been favored in last season, and that's with UT being young and injured with a 3rd string QB

now compare that with Iowa playing our schedule...how many of these games would Iowa win?

Auburn (12-2)
@ Missouri (12-2)
@ Alabama (11-2)
@ Oregon (11-2)
South Carolina (11-2)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
Georgia (8-5)
@ Florida (4-8)
Western Kentucky (8-4)

could Iowa beat Florida or South Carolina? of course...but knowing how Ferentz coaches, they couldve lost to WKU or Vandy as well...

It is all just speculation but how many of THOSE games would Iowa be favorited in compared to how many UT would be favored in against Iowa's schedule..

if you dont see the difference in toughness, I dont know what to tell you



2015178 wrote: How does playing highly ranked teams automatically mean that you would do well, especially if you lost EVERY single one of those games aside from South Carolina?

And please provide something to back up your claims. hawkjth at least provided specific examples to further his point, and you just make claims with nothing but speculation founded on the quality of losses to back it up? Absurd


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--- CassandraVol wrote:

Tennessee wouldve won 8-9 games with the right Big Ten schedule

during our worst 5 yr stretch in the history of the program our worst record ever is still 5-7..

last year we played 6 top 15 teams plus Florida, UGA and a ranked Vandy...we are rebuilding but if we played Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, N'Western, etc instead of Auburn, Bama, Oregon, or Oklahoma our schedule would reflect as such
hawkjth wrote:
kmurp wrote: Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenessee and Arkansas would do well against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers.

NW beat Vandy two years ago.  Arkansas lost to Rutgers last year.  NW beat Ole Miss last year in the bowl.

IU lost to Missouri last year, but they probably can play with these teams.


Not that big of a difference in the bottom half.


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Posted: 6/14/2014 7:59 AM

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CassandraVol wrote: well if you beat a top ten team and play a couple of more top 15 teams in games that couldve gone either way..then it reasons that you might win games vs the following

Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northern Iowa, Iowa St, Ball St, Maryland, N'Western, Minnesota...

that's 9 games that Tennessee wouldve been favored in last season, and that's with UT being young and injured with a 3rd string QB

now compare that with Iowa playing our schedule...how many of these games would Iowa win?

Auburn (12-2)
@ Missouri (12-2)
@ Alabama (11-2)
@ Oregon (11-2)
South Carolina (11-2)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
Georgia (8-5)
@ Florida (4-8)
Western Kentucky (8-4)

could Iowa beat Florida or South Carolina? of course...but knowing how Ferentz coaches, they couldve lost to WKU or Vandy as well...

 


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ArvadaHawk wrote:
CassandraVol wrote: well if you beat a top ten team and play a couple of more top 15 teams in games that couldve gone either way..then it reasons that you might win games vs the following

Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northern Iowa, Iowa St, Ball St, Maryland, N'Western, Minnesota...

that's 9 games that Tennessee wouldve been favored in last season, and that's with UT being young and injured with a 3rd string QB

now compare that with Iowa playing our schedule...how many of these games would Iowa win?

Auburn (12-2)
@ Missouri (12-2)
@ Alabama (11-2)
@ Oregon (11-2)
South Carolina (11-2)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
Georgia (8-5)
@ Florida (4-8)
Western Kentucky (8-4)

could Iowa beat Florida or South Carolina? of course...but knowing how Ferentz coaches, they couldve lost to WKU or Vandy as well...

 


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For those of you who do not believe there is a negative perception about Iowa, nationally (or at least inter regionally.)  This perception does hurt recruiting.
What is the national perception of Tenn?.....pretty end zone painting, but a loser in the SEC.
What is the national perception of Auburn?    Cheaters....

Does this hurt their recruiting?    Give me a break that one vol fan's negative comment on KF sets the ''national perception''.   KF is one of the most admired coaches in the country, in terms of running a clean program, but that does not get him top  recruits either.  This just in..... top talent is not from Iowa, and getting top talent to come from SEC country to Iowa is not happening.   Has nothing to do with KF's image.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:52 AM

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--- aaronzuriel wrote:

Iowa is playing an in-state FCS highly rated opponent UNI that  has beat several FBS teams in years past.

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Several?

UNI beat Kansas State a couple of times back in the 1980's when everyone beat Kansas State. And they've beaten ISU three times since the 90's, which, quite frankly, is not that big of an accomplishment.

Iowa fans shouldn't be pointing to the UNI game and pretending it's something huge. It isn't, and pretending otherwise is embarassing.
Yes UNI has beat several FBS teams in years past.  How can you dispute that fact?

I'm the biggest IOWA homer in the world and don't support or wish that any FBS team has an FCS team on their home schedule, let alone Iowa.   Yet, a  majority of FBS teams, including the SEC, have FCS teams on their schedules.  Look it up and get back to me.

At least IOWA schedules UNI, a top 20 FCS team, year in and year out, and keeps the $'s in the state, and the focus is on IOWA football in the state.

What is embarrassing (along with your spelling of embarrassing) is your post... DOCTOR HIBBARD.  No one has suggested or pretending that the UNI game is  something huge.

My original posts called out SOS in college football.  Iowa has no control over the BIG TEN schedule ( a few years back IOWA had brutal schedules and for something like 10 years started every game on the road) and what else can IOWA do about the non-conference schedule?  IA ST and PITT are FBS opponents, UNI is a great in-state FCS opponent and Ball State is a mid major that a few years back won 10 games.

More later about everyone dissing IOWA for playing IOWA STATE and bitching it contributes to a poor  SOS.

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