Food for thought...
Chip Kelly at Oregon has a 46-7 record  and gone to a BCS bowl over the last 4 years and earns a base salary of 2.8 million/ year and still has 5 years left on his contract...

Kirk Ferenz  earns more than 3 million and has a contract through 2020 and look what we have.......

hmmmmmmmm

Very odd seeing these two coaches in the same sentence....not in the same league..chip is aggressive and he does what it takes to win. He is not afraid to kick a teams ass. He jumped in the surf, skillfully caught the right break and has been riding that wave of success for an extended period of time...I admire that. Ferentz was given great pay and job security on a platter.....chip has since earned his lesser contract. I actually liked some aspects about ferentz before that God awful contract signed...he had something prove....now he has everything... look at the product now. If he doesn't start earning the gift he was given...I'm not only going to question KFs coaching ability like I have..I'm going start questioning this man's character. He needs to get off his duff and earn. Stop the generic and predictable game plan and stop the arrogance...that's a good start.

Chip Kelly knows how to recruit too. When he wanted French, he went to Cedar Raids and French's HS. While there, Kelly did the normal stuff but he also asked some of French's classmates about his character. French mentioned that Kelly's thoroughness helped him decide on the Ducks.

I agree wholeheartedly about the recruiting edge you mentioned, but man, if KF doesn't make changes in his vanilla game plan and start looking like a coach who is hungry...I can't see recruits being attracted to this program. As you know, Young players/talent riding the bench and the infamous 1, 2, 3, kick Richard Simmons offence is **** and isn't sexy....now we are nervous about getting beat by teams like minny and indiana. If I was this French guy, and was neing looked at like a Guy like Chip, I'd go his program twice on sunday.
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--- floridahawk wrote:

Chip Kelly knows how to recruit too. When he wanted French, he went to Cedar Raids and French's HS. While there, Kelly did the normal stuff but he also asked some of French's classmates about his character. French mentioned that Kelly's thoroughness helped him decide on the Ducks.

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Craig Bohl just won his 2nd straight National Championship at North Dakota State while making just under 15K per win...his team along with Alabama are probably the two best coached and well disciplined teams in the nation.  KF just yawned his away through another inexcusible season whilst earning a cool 1 million per win.  If Iowa was serious about winning, they would dump this thin skinned arrrogant over paid fraud, pay his buyout, and still have enough money left over to bring in someone who is willing to work/recruit hard, and open up their mind to new ideas.  But we know that won't happen...not the "Iowa way"......pfffft!!!


-------I am very pleased we have signed Coach Bohl to continue being the head coach of the Bison the next several years. His record of success speaks for itself and how he operates the program overall is exceptional. I could not be more pleased as to the future of Bison football under his leadership and our continued working relationship together,” said Taylor.

Taylor went on to say the current base salary of the contract is $206,503.

While that’s not too bad, the annual salary will be increased by a minimum of five percent per year effective July 1, 2013, contingent on performance evaluations.

Since you have this all figured out and you say this won't change then you better find a new favorite team. Then all of your problems are solved.

Is that KF is done turning Iowa around....period.  His goals are NOT the goals of the other coaches making his comparible salary....not even close.  Have you EVER heard KF mention a National Championship being a goal of his?  No, me either.

Who the hell are you addressing? Grow some balls! Weren't you the one who said not to long ago you don't judge ferentz by wins and losses?? Wake the hell up! And none of us have this all figured out!! But if I made over 3 million a year...I Would at least try to make huge efforts. Some of us who get pay raises kickass and transform into a winner and show our value added quality! KF does not!!! Instead, we get the same ole crap! College football is about wins! Don't forget that. I'm glad you're satisfied about the doormat program we now have become Sherlock...but I'm glad we don't all think the same way you...otherwise we'd be speaking Russian!

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Since you have this all figured out and you say this won't change then you better find a new favorite team. Then all of your problems are solved.

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Hawks31fan wrote: Since you have this all figured out and you say this won't change then you better find a new favorite team. Then all of your problems are solved.

That response doesn't hold the same punch as it used to?  I'm all in favor of finding a new favorite team and I used to be with the team in the 80's.

SRIAfan wrote: Food for thought...
Chip Kelly at Oregon has a 46-7 record  and gone to a BCS bowl over the last 4 years and earns a base salary of 2.8 million/ year and still has 5 years left on his contract...

Kirk Ferenz  earns more than 3 million and has a contract through 2020 and look what we have.......

hmmmmmmmm

Oregon is just North of the third-best (or thereabouts) state in the country for recruiting. Iowa is not. It really is that simple. If you doubt me, look at where the elite programs are located. They're overwhelmingly in Texas, in the South-East recruiting hot zone (with access to Florida, Louisiana, etc), or in California. Those that aren't are typically schools like Michigan and Ohio State with crazy strong tradition, located in solid recruiting grounds, surrounded by other solid recruiting grounds.

Iowa is a bad state for recruiting, surrounded by sub-par recruiting grounds, many of which have programs with at least as strong of a tradition and following as ours (Nebraska stands out as having a much stronger history). That's a lot to overcome. Any team can only rise to the level of its athletes. And any coach can only raise the level of his athletes as far as their bodies and their will to succeed will allow.

Frankly, we're in the position of gambling on guys with developmental upside and scraping by with solid guys with a low ceiling. When enough of those gambles pays off, we're pretty damn good (and that's a HUGE testament to Kirk Ferentz as a coach). When they don't, we're around average. And when those gambles don't pan out AND we hire a new offensive coordinator who doesn't seem to understand how to make a passing game that can work with our running game (AND we have attrition problems - which fall into the injury/luck category and the above-mentioned gamble category), we're awful, like we were this season.

First of all, National Championships are realistic goals for schools with access to better recruits. If we're lucky, we might get exceptionally lucky and win one someday, but that's like saying I might write a Nobel-prize winning novel. It could happen, but come on.

More importantly, a coach should know his players and his team and what their ceiling is. And Kirk Ferentz does. And with maybe one exception (maybe....and I think I've heard him say that we could go toe-to-toe with any team in the country during one of those good years), we've not had a team that was capable of being the best in the nation. So, if you're Kirk Ferentz, why mention it? You want him to say we're playing for the National Championship when what we have is a scrappy 9-10 win team? Or even an 11-win team?

First...the opening post was about a successful coach getting paid less while our lovely KF is paid more without the desired results....not recruiting. Second, You make a really lame argument about recruiting issues in and around Iowa. This retarded argument will never hold water at all...and even if it did...THEN KF NEEDS TO GET OFF HIS DEAD ASS AND TRY HARDER SINCE HE IS BETTER PAID THAN COACH WHO HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS!!!! And third, your post are completely laughable because you don't address one time the failures of this coach. AND KF DOESNT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND HIS PLAYERS LIKE HE SHOULD...IF HE DID, HE WOULDNT OF KEPT A BAD QB IN THE STARTING POSITION ALL SEASON LONG. THIS COACH IS A FAILURE BECAUSE OF ALL THE POTENTIAL TALENT ROTTING ON BENCH AND BECAUSE HIS CARELFUL COACHING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!!! There, that is your true recruiting problem...we now have stinky program because the coach you tried so hard to make excuses for.

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--- dbrocket wrote:

SRIAfan wrote: Food for thought...
Chip Kelly at Oregon has a 46-7 record  and gone to a BCS bowl over the last 4 years and earns a base salary of 2.8 million/ year and still has 5 years left on his contract...

Kirk Ferenz  earns more than 3 million and has a contract through 2020 and look what we have.......

hmmmmmmmm

Oregon is just North of the third-best (or thereabouts) state in the country for recruiting. Iowa is not. It really is that simple. If you doubt me, look at where the elite programs are located. They're overwhelmingly in Texas, in the South-East recruiting hot zone (with access to Florida, Louisiana, etc), or in California. Those that aren't are typically schools like Michigan and Ohio State with crazy strong tradition, located in solid recruiting grounds, surrounded by other solid recruiting grounds.



Iowa is a bad state for recruiting, surrounded by sub-par recruiting grounds, many of which have programs with at least as strong of a tradition and following as ours (Nebraska stands out as having a much stronger history). That's a lot to overcome. Any team can only rise to the level of its athletes. And any coach can only raise the level of his athletes as far as their bodies and their will to succeed will allow.


Frankly, we're in the position of gambling on guys with developmental upside and scraping by with solid guys with a low ceiling. When enough of those gambles pays off, we're pretty damn good (and that's a HUGE testament to Kirk Ferentz as a coach). When they don't, we're around average. And when those gambles don't pan out AND we hire a new offensive coordinator who doesn't seem to understand how to make a passing game that can work with our running game (AND we have attrition problems - which fall into the injury/luck category and the above-mentioned gamble category), we're awful, like we were this season.



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Gotta agree with IOWA308.

KF is being paid like a top recruiter (not someone that dashes off to an 8 man football 1/2 hour from Iowa City during the team's bye week). KF is being paid as a coach who is innovative and can adapt his play calling to the talent he has (not someone who claimed that JVB was the best option and never let a backup QB take a single snap). KF is being paid as someone who plays to win and will take reasonable risks to succeed (not someone who punts from his 38 yard line with the clock running down in the 4th quarter). KF is being paid as someone who should state clear goals for the program (not someone who believes we are "poor Iowa" and the slightest bit of success should be appreciated).

There are many other leadership shortcomings that are well-documented. I hope he can somehow turn it around, but I wouldn't hold my breath for anything soon without a KF makeover!

I recall several years ago, perhaps even before the Chip Kelly hire, Oregon had iPad docks or something of that sort in the locker room for each player.  I thought that was very progressive and certainly a recruiting edge.  It was during Kinnick renovation and KFz poo pooed the idea at the time.  We seem to miss chances to improve both on and off the field.  Chip and Kirk are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of innovation and reasonable risk taking.  "Go for the jugular" vs. "Take a knee" mentality, and this does not require any explanation as to who endorses which concept.

floridahawk wrote: Gotta agree with IOWA308.

KF is being paid like a top recruiter (not someone that dashes off to an 8 man football 1/2 hour from Iowa City during the team's bye week). KF is being paid as a coach who is innovative and can adapt his play calling to the talent he has (not someone who claimed that JVB was the best option and never let a backup QB take a single snap). KF is being paid as someone who plays to win and will take reasonable risks to succeed (not someone who punts from his 38 yard line with the clock running down in the 4th quarter). KF is being paid as someone who should state clear goals for the program (not someone who believes we are "poor Iowa" and the slightest bit of success should be appreciated).

There are many other leadership shortcomings that are well-documented. I hope he can somehow turn it around, but I wouldn't hold my breath for anything soon without a KF makeover!

Well put, nothing I really disagree with here.

Chip Kelly inherited a solid program in Oregon. Kirk had to rebuild the Iowa program from scratch. And if I remember correctly Iowa did go to a BCS bowl in year 4 (2002 Orange Bowl). At that time Kirk was making much less. Move along POSTER CHILD!!!!

I don't care what chip inherited years ago
...he has kept his team in elite status for several years in a row now...that takes awesome coaching skills ...with lower pay and less job security too! And we are not discussing what KF did a decade ago or what he was paid then! we are discussing KFs failed coaching approach after he signed his God like contract about three years ago! Ill take the KF before that contract was signed...not the complacent and comfortable coach we have now. EARN YOUR PAY KF! There are far better coaches out there earning far less and they are not becoming a laughing stock in college football coaching!


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Chip Kelly inherited a solid program in Oregon. Kirk had to rebuild the Iowa program from scratch. And if I remember correctly Iowa did go to a BCS bowl in year 4 (2002 Orange Bowl). At that time Kirk was making much less. Move along POSTER CHILD!!!!

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Recruits will come if you put them in a system they want to play in. Playmakers go to Oregon cause that Coach uses them 60 minutes of every game. Playmakers don't want to sit on a ball down 14 with 2 minutes till half, playmakers don't want to sit on a ball up 14 with 2 minutes left in the half either. 
Playing "not to lose" is not what recruits of this era want to see on gamefilm. Simple as that and it overides geographic concerns in todays world 9 times oout of 10.

Kelly has Nike in his corner, Ferentz does not.

I hear Nick Saban is a good coach as well.

dbrocket wrote: First of all, National Championships are realistic goals for schools with access to better recruits. If we're lucky, we might get exceptionally lucky and win one someday, but that's like saying I might write a Nobel-prize winning novel. It could happen, but come on.

More importantly, a coach should know his players and his team and what their ceiling is. And Kirk Ferentz does. And with maybe one exception (maybe....and I think I've heard him say that we could go toe-to-toe with any team in the country during one of those good years), we've not had a team that was capable of being the best in the nation. So, if you're Kirk Ferentz, why mention it? You want him to say we're playing for the National Championship when what we have is a scrappy 9-10 win team? Or even an 11-win team?

iowa had a 2-3 year run where if they caught a break, or two, would have been in the NC conversation.

Heck, look at what Hoke got from Rich Rod...he's turning the program around...players love him and he recruits very well. 19-6 in two years. I hope that KF makes changes, but as an Iowa and Michigan fan I'm not expecting much from him.

Hoke is a Michigan guy. He made every player and incoming recruit understand and believe the tradition Michigan has as a football school. He is bringing in recruits that want to be part of that legacy.

We bring in recruits we need to work with hours upon hours every week to get ready for the next level. NFL or career after college. we are not a traditional football school. That's why we can't bring in top classes year in and year out. We will always be middle of the pack with a few good years and a few bad years.

I think if ferentz changed his first name to Chip he would get lot better recruits.

Iowa city is the hub of the mid-west. 4 hours from anywhere.

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Iowa city is the hub of the mid-west. 4 hours from anywhere.

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Good one. But also true...

Yeah because we're just little ole Iowa right!!!???You are fricken drunk on your ass on KF mojo juice. Lmao!!

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--- MidwestHawk wrote:

Hoke is a Michigan guy. He made every player and incoming recruit understand and believe the tradition Michigan has as a football school. He is bringing in recruits that want to be part of that legacy.

We bring in recruits we need to work with hours upon hours every week to get ready for the next level. NFL or career after college. we are not a traditional football school. That's why we can't bring in top classes year in and year out. We will always be middle of the pack with a few good years and a few bad years.

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IOWA308 wrote: Yeah because we're just little ole Iowa right!!!???You are fricken drunk on your ass on KF mojo juice. Lmao!!

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--- MidwestHawk wrote:

Hoke is a Michigan guy. He made every player and incoming recruit understand and believe the tradition Michigan has as a football school. He is bringing in recruits that want to be part of that legacy.

We bring in recruits we need to work with hours upon hours every week to get ready for the next level. NFL or career after college. we are not a traditional football school. That's why we can't bring in top classes year in and year out. We will always be middle of the pack with a few good years and a few bad years.

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Yes, you are little old Iowa.

IOWA308 wrote: Yeah because we're just little ole Iowa right!!!???You are fricken drunk on your ass on KF mojo juice. Lmao!!

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--- MidwestHawk wrote:

Hoke is a Michigan guy. He made every player and incoming recruit understand and believe the tradition Michigan has as a football school. He is bringing in recruits that want to be part of that legacy.

We bring in recruits we need to work with hours upon hours every week to get ready for the next level. NFL or career after college. we are not a traditional football school. That's why we can't bring in top classes year in and year out. We will always be middle of the pack with a few good years and a few bad years.

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I grow tired of the we're just Iowa crap.  A top-15 revenue football program with a top-5 paid football coach should be winning MINIMUM 8-9 games every year and not making excuses for losing to bad teams.  Ferentz never talks about winning ANYTHING big.  No conference titles, no division titles.  We get the same old "we're not sexy" comments.  I want to see some higher goals set for this program.  We're stuck in neutral and stale.  No recruits want to be a part of that.  No recruits want to play for a coach who takes no risks and doesn't try to win games.  Until there is a complete change in philosophy (either by Ferentz or through his replacement as head coach) we get what we get.  And it sucks!!

Comparing Chip with Kirk is like comparing a Rolex to a Timex. They both can tell time, but that is where the similarity ends.

Yes...kmBURP...your a little hemorrhoid.

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IOWA308 wrote: Yeah because we're just little ole Iowa right!!!???You are fricken drunk on your ass on KF mojo juice. Lmao!!

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--- MidwestHawk wrote:

Hoke is a Michigan guy. He made every player and incoming recruit understand and believe the tradition Michigan has as a football school. He is bringing in recruits that want to be part of that legacy.

We bring in recruits we need to work with hours upon hours every week to get ready for the next level. NFL or career after college. we are not a traditional football school. That's why we can't bring in top classes year in and year out. We will always be middle of the pack with a few good years and a few bad years.

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Yes, you are little old Iowa.

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Chips team looks clueless tonite.

EstronHawk wrote: Kelly has Nike in his corner, Ferentz does not.

Amen, you don't think that makes a huge difference with the amount of money they throw around where they legally can??  Not to mention that Chip just turned down the NFL, I bet his contract will be one of the top 5 soon and way higher than Kirks.

This thread is laughably ridiculous.  KF apologists are working overtime and coming up with new material.

So I guess tea and checkers this Sunday is out of the question??? And PS swimmingman....read the post again...I said recruiting argument was retarded
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IOWA308 wrote: First...the opening post was about a successful coach getting paid less while our lovely KF is paid more without the desired results....not recruiting. Second, You make a really lame argument about recruiting issues in and around Iowa. This retarded argument will never hold water at all...and even if it did...THEN KF NEEDS TO GET OFF HIS DEAD ASS AND TRY HARDER SINCE HE IS BETTER PAID THAN COACH WHO HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS!!!! And third, your post are completely laughable because you don't address one time the failures of this coach. AND KF DOESNT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND HIS PLAYERS LIKE HE SHOULD...IF HE DID, HE WOULDNT OF KEPT A BAD QB IN THE STARTING POSITION ALL SEASON LONG. THIS COACH IS A FAILURE BECAUSE OF ALL THE POTENTIAL TALENT ROTTING ON BENCH AND BECAUSE HIS CARELFUL COACHING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!!! There, that is your true recruiting problem...we now have stinky program because the coach you tried so hard to make excuses for.

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--- dbrocket wrote:

SRIAfan wrote: Food for thought...
Chip Kelly at Oregon has a 46-7 record  and gone to a BCS bowl over the last 4 years and earns a base salary of 2.8 million/ year and still has 5 years left on his contract...

Kirk Ferenz  earns more than 3 million and has a contract through 2020 and look what we have.......

hmmmmmmmm

Oregon is just North of the third-best (or thereabouts) state in the country for recruiting. Iowa is not. It really is that simple. If you doubt me, look at where the elite programs are located. They're overwhelmingly in Texas, in the South-East recruiting hot zone (with access to Florida, Louisiana, etc), or in California. Those that aren't are typically schools like Michigan and Ohio State with crazy strong tradition, located in solid recruiting grounds, surrounded by other solid recruiting grounds.



Iowa is a bad state for recruiting, surrounded by sub-par recruiting grounds, many of which have programs with at least as strong of a tradition and following as ours (Nebraska stands out as having a much stronger history). That's a lot to overcome. Any team can only rise to the level of its athletes. And any coach can only raise the level of his athletes as far as their bodies and their will to succeed will allow.


Frankly, we're in the position of gambling on guys with developmental upside and scraping by with solid guys with a low ceiling. When enough of those gambles pays off, we're pretty damn good (and that's a HUGE testament to Kirk Ferentz as a coach). When they don't, we're around average. And when those gambles don't pan out AND we hire a new offensive coordinator who doesn't seem to understand how to make a passing game that can work with our running game (AND we have attrition problems - which fall into the injury/luck category and the above-mentioned gamble category), we're awful, like we were this season.



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You are just an angry jerk.  The fact that you would even call someone a retard shows how much of a complete negative and angry man you are, I have no respect for you.  You think because you get on here and write posts that show no respect to anyone's opinion if it doesn't match yours that you are the king.  Well go ahead be the king of the world you live in, it is no place I would ever want to visit.

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hawkinarkansas wrote:

dbrocket wrote: First of all, National Championships are realistic goals for schools with access to better recruits. If we're lucky, we might get exceptionally lucky and win one someday, but that's like saying I might write a Nobel-prize winning novel. It could happen, but come on.

More importantly, a coach should know his players and his team and what their ceiling is. And Kirk Ferentz does. And with maybe one exception (maybe....and I think I've heard him say that we could go toe-to-toe with any team in the country during one of those good years), we've not had a team that was capable of being the best in the nation. So, if you're Kirk Ferentz, why mention it? You want him to say we're playing for the National Championship when what we have is a scrappy 9-10 win team? Or even an 11-win team?

iowa had a 2-3 year run where if they caught a break, or two, would have been in the NC conversation.

Exactly, and that's our ceiling, "in the conversation." Kirk did everything that could be done to get us there. There's a reason the best programs just happen to be where the best recruits are - because it's REALLY IMPORTANT.

And, I've noticed something. The haters on this board never seem to respond with an argument. Explain to me how coaching at Iowa is NOT a huge disadvantage, and I'll grab a pitchfork and join you. Another factor, by the way? Iowa sucks. Now, I enjoy it here, but I know for a fact that many of the young men on the team complain about it constantly. The weather, how small it is, the fact that we -proportionally - don't have black people (or anything other than white people) in this state that aren't athletes, inmates or students, the fact that there's no spotlight here. If you ask most people, Madison is a more attractive environment and that's IN WISCONSIN. These are all facts that no football coach can change.

Kirk Ferentz can't import a million brown-skinned people. He can't change our drug laws or the predatory behavior of our police. He can't move us closer to the equator. He can't start a few hundreds newspapers and a couple film studios. What he can do is find talent that wants to come here and teach them how to play. And, yes, he needs to get better at using athletes properly in-game (and firing Greg Davis; he needs to work on that ASAP).

kmurp wrote: Chips team looks clueless tonite.

That's because Chip's team was home watching Brian's team play Alabama.

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And, I've noticed something. The haters on this board never seem to respond with an argument. Explain to me how coaching at Iowa is NOT a huge disadvantage, and I'll grab a pitchfork and join you. Another factor, by the way? Iowa sucks. Now, I enjoy it here, but I know for a fact that many of the young men on the team complain about it constantly. The weather, how small it is, the fact that we -proportionally - don't have black people (or anything other than white people) in this state that aren't athletes, inmates or students, the fact that there's no spotlight here. If you ask most people, Madison is a more attractive environment and that's IN WISCONSIN. These are all facts that no football coach can change.

Kirk Ferentz can't import a million brown-skinned people. He can't change our drug laws or the predatory behavior of our police. He can't move us closer to the equator. He can't start a few hundreds newspapers and a couple film studios. What he can do is find talent that wants to come here and teach them how to play. And, yes, he needs to get better at using athletes properly in-game (and firing Greg Davis; he needs to work on that ASAP).

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dbrocket...in all honesty you sound like the president of the official Little Ole Iowa Club. Is Iowa really that bad? Does Iowa need to import black people in order to make it more like states that don't suck? Are you really serious?

I judge a state by its people. People who are honest, open, accepting, fair, genuine, and hard working are some of the attributes that I would use to gauge a community. In my mind, Iowans possess many of these attributes which makes it a great place to live and play college football.