Ok, the Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke.  Perhaps he will be better suited to coaching WR's, somewhat like he did at the Patriots.  But when working with talent like he had at the Patriots, how could anyone screw it up?

So there are two questions now: Who will be the new O-line coach?  And was Brian Ferentz hired because of skill or nepotism?

This was posted by Rob on another thread on Thursday.

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I was initially surprised by Brian to WR coach but it makes sense. He coached TEs at New England and grasps the game as a whole.

Brian moving to WR/TE coach allows them to make David Raih, a young coach they really like, to move to OL. He can learn the ropes with Brian and Kirk guiding him.

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Why did you say "Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke"? Fine if thats your opinion but whats it based on? Is it based on our dislike of KF? Just curious.

Fire KOK!

Does Ferentz have a sister? Maybe she could join the staff?

DRAFTFREAK wrote: Why did you say "Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke"? Fine if thats your opinion but whats it based on? Is it based on our dislike of KF? Just curious.

Agreed.  The line was pretty good at the beggining of the year until injuries started piling up.  Also, do you think it helped the line knowing that Iowa had a quarterback that couldn't read a blitz and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn?  Do you think it helped when we were struggling to find a healthy running back?

Also, I don't get all the hatred towards Brian.  Hell, when he was coaching in the pros he coached a couple rookies up to the best position players in the NFL.

Moving bf to wr coach means to me kf is grooming him to be oc.

vgshwk wrote: Moving bf to wr coach means to me kf is grooming him to be oc.

I actually think this would be a very good thing, IMHO.

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Ok, the Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke.  Perhaps he will be better suited to coaching WR's, somewhat like he did at the Patriots.  But when working with talent like he had at the Patriots, how could anyone screw it up?

So there are two questions now: Who will be the new O-line coach?  And was Brian Ferentz hired because of skill or nepotism?

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There's a pretty obvious third question, but not worth asking. Our O line play was pretty darn good and getting better when key guys went down. Plenty of room for intelligent criticism of the offense, the above is not an example.

DRAFTFREAK wrote: Why did you say "Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke"? Fine if thats your opinion but whats it based on? Is it based on our dislike of KF? Just curious.

The disastrous performance of the O-line this last year.  That is what I base it on.

flanagan77 wrote:

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--- theiowahawkeye wrote:

Ok, the Brian Ferentz experiment at O-line was obviously a disastrous joke.  Perhaps he will be better suited to coaching WR's, somewhat like he did at the Patriots.  But when working with talent like he had at the Patriots, how could anyone screw it up?

So there are two questions now: Who will be the new O-line coach?  And was Brian Ferentz hired because of skill or nepotism?

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There's a pretty obvious third question, but not worth asking. Our O line play was pretty darn good and getting better when key guys went down. Plenty of room for intelligent criticism of the offense, the above is not an example.

Perhaps we were watching different games.

TripleSkipleHawk wrote:

vgshwk wrote: Moving bf to wr coach means to me kf is grooming him to be oc.

I actually think this would be a very good thing, IMHO.

I follow along with this forum to follow my favorite team, get some general insight and occasionally get to laugh at a few threads.  I'm not one who likes to comment very much but felt this may be a topic to see who agrees with me.

My thought here is similar to the above but with a little more.  I am thinking that Brian may be moving to OC as soon as next year and that Greg Davis has been a stop gap all along until Brian is ready.  I also think that this is leading to Brian potentially taking over as head coach for KF if the fans don't overthrow him 1st.  I may be totally off base but just my thoughts.  Feel free to voice your thoughts from here....Go Hawks

From what I am hearing today, Brian will be staying with OL. It appears Damond Powell misunderstood what he was told from the Iowa coaches or something was lost in communication.

Powell very much wants to know who is position coach will be so it could be interesting if that opening could cause the Hawkeyes to lose him. Or, they could tell him. They won't be able to announce the hire publicly until after signing day because it will need to be posted beyond that date.

There is no way he ready to become OC at a major institution.  It's not gonna happen.  He has zero experience.  You cut your teeth in places like Nevada Western first and work your way up the ranks.  Come on people, let's think this through.

We have a lot of people starting rumors and many are biting and sounding/looking foolish.

What a retarded response. KOK was a disease. Losing Norm was our great loss and we are feeling it now....who gives a hoot about fricken KOK!!!
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Fire KOK!

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IOWA308 wrote:
What a retarded response. KOK was a disease. Losing Norm was our great loss and we are feeling it now....who gives a hoot about fricken KOK!!!
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Fire KOK!

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You don't understand the post, n00b.  Kindly shut your mouth.

forgedpistons wrote:

IOWA308 wrote:
What a retarded response. KOK was a disease. Losing Norm was our great loss and we are feeling it now....who gives a hoot about fricken KOK!!!
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Fire KOK!

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You don't understand the post, n00b.  Kindly shut your mouth.

He understood it very well.

Why does every post have to be so exaggerated?  KOK was not a "disease."  The response was not "retarded."  There is a little more thought to Iowa football than that.

Norm Parker was a difference making coach.  Compare losing him to Hayden losing Bill Snyder, who was also a difference making coach.  But that does not mean the replacements were bad; they were just not as good.

I think we can see the need for some new coaching talent.  Ferentz' biggest challenge will be to stay current in an ever changing world.  New coaches can help an old coach stay current.  While it is true that fundamentals still matter, innovations still matter.  I need good fundamentals to hit a good drive when I play golf, but I can hit it longer and straighter with new clubs than an old wooden driver.  Molding the two trains of thought is the key.

Jeff

RobHowe wrote: From what I am hearing today, Brian will be staying with OL. It appears Damond Powell misunderstood what he was told from the Iowa coaches or something was lost in communication.

Powell very much wants to know who is position coach will be so it could be interesting if that opening could cause the Hawkeyes to lose him. Or, they could tell him. They won't be able to announce the hire publicly until after signing day because it will need to be posted beyond that date.

Cue the circus music.

Keep up the good work Brian!   Your 5th string RB got over 800 yards on the ground and only carried the ball in 1/2 the games.  Most of the time with 8 guys in box because of the QB that couldn't complete a pass more than 10 yards down field.

I'm with Lax on this one. Until the injuries hit, the O-line was a pleasant surprise! They were opening holes that I could get 50 yards with ( I run a 3.10 40 - measured in minutes and seconds). Even after the injuries came, they were still getting opportunities for the backs to get over the line and JVB often had time to throw.
The problems with this offense were on the QB! I'm sorry, but his performance ran the gamut from sub-par to laughable - ALL SEASON LONG. With that lack of quality under center you are not going to have success moving the football. Not gonna happen. You have to be a threat to throw and JVB, from PSU on, was never a legitimate threat on O. Made the opposing DC's job sooo much easier.

forgedpistons wrote: Fire KOK!

He's got to go!

I dont think the OL was the problem and I dont have a problem with Brian and I'm as critical of Careful Kirk as they come.

I'm as mystified as anyone by the fact that JVB took every single snap this year. In fact I think it borders on incompetence. But I'm not going to throw the whole coaching staff out the window, nor reflexively label every KF move as wrong, just because KF made the move.

RJSimmons wrote: I dont think the OL was the problem and I dont have a problem with Brian and I'm as critical of Careful Kirk as they come.

I agree with RJ on this.

The O-line however was just average as unit before the injuries IMO. But with the injuries to Scherff and Donnal it went from average to pretty bad in a hurry. Still tho if we had any sort of a passing attack the season could have been saved with a bowl game invite. But the pathetic performance of our QB was just to much to overcome. I like Brian also and did not mind the hire. He seems to be the the guy on staff that is recruiting the hardest also from everything I have read online. Maybe Brian can get his old man to come to grip with the times and turn things around for everyone's sake.

In what way was Brian Ferentz coaching a disaster or a joke. I really think that KF has many problems to solve. His hiring of present OC was more of a disaster; and his DL coach was more of a disaster. I can criticize Kf regarding his "numbskull" handling of QB situation... but to imply that he would be guilty of nepotism is way out there and attacks his moral fiber. I really can't think of any credible critic that would charge KF with character problems. So,if your question is either or. than Brian was hired based on skill. Why the hell would the Patriots hire him? Tell me where Brian F screwed up.

Agreed. But I think in general we need to reserve judgment on Davis until he has a true BCS level QB to work with. As has been pointed out all through the season (and beyond) JVB's total meldown totally denuded the offense this year. It is totally unfair, and unwise, to toss out an OC who has never been given a QB to work with, and has only one season under his belt. I for one saw some points of light in terms of play-calling this season.

I actually thought Iowa's o-line looked pretty decent and seemed to be improving each week until the PSU game. Losing Schreff was a big loss.

Yup. Our O-line was one of our strengths until injuries set us back a bit. But with any new hire, time will tell. I am happy with Brian Ferentz so far, but dissappointed with Greg Davis and the direction our offense is headed. But got to give him a couple years. With the good recruiting classes we had in 2011 and 2012 we had better get this thing turned around now.

HawkeyeMan82 wrote: In what way was Brian Ferentz coaching a disaster or a joke. I really think that KF has many problems to solve. His hiring of present OC was more of a disaster; and his DL coach was more of a disaster. I can criticize Kf regarding his "numbskull" handling of QB situation... but to imply that he would be guilty of nepotism is way out there and attacks his moral fiber. I really can't think of any credible critic that would charge KF with character problems. So,if your question is either or. than Brian was hired based on skill. Why the hell would the Patriots hire him? Tell me where Brian F screwed up.

The O-line was a disaster.  It is really just that simple.

theiowahawkeye wrote:

HawkeyeMan82 wrote: In what way was Brian Ferentz coaching a disaster or a joke. I really think that KF has many problems to solve. His hiring of present OC was more of a disaster; and his DL coach was more of a disaster. I can criticize Kf regarding his "numbskull" handling of QB situation... but to imply that he would be guilty of nepotism is way out there and attacks his moral fiber. I really can't think of any credible critic that would charge KF with character problems. So,if your question is either or. than Brian was hired based on skill. Why the hell would the Patriots hire him? Tell me where Brian F screwed up.

The O-line was a disaster.  It is really just that simple.

I respect that you have your opinion but it seems like your looking past how they played at one important point, after a few games they came together and played much better than they started, Brandon Scherff was proving he was one of the best in the Big10 and others were playing pretty good too. They showed they were playing better by going to MSU and controlling the line enough to get the win. Then came Penn State and the injuries. Starting left tackle Brandon Scherff and back up LT Andrew Donnell both went down, thats the most important position on the line and we lost both guys! Then more injuries happened to the Offensive line and the offense went FLAT. In my opinion there were other reasons the offense played bad but before the injuries at least Vandenberg had some time to try to throw the ball.
 Some will call what I just said an excuse but if they were the OL coach that had to deal with those injuries then I bet their tune would change.

I like your post Draft Freak.  It's nice that a few on hear have common sense. 

Now if we could get rid of romo for the cowboys or get a new coach or something for the cowboys then we could get some where.

theiowahawkeye wrote:

forgedpistons wrote:

IOWA308 wrote:
What a retarded response. KOK was a disease. Losing Norm was our great loss and we are feeling it now....who gives a hoot about fricken KOK!!!
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Fire KOK!

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You don't understand the post, n00b.  Kindly shut your mouth.

He understood it very well.

Greg Davis for President!

IOWA308 wrote: You're nothing but a KOK and KF kiss ass genius. But you can't answer what happened to your great coach after he received the most lucrative contract and best job security a coach could ever be given. Ill tell you what happened....EPIC FAIL!!!! Put a sock in your KF apologist cake hole forgedpuss!

Keep it up and you won't be getting that bike for your 12th birthday.

RJSimmons wrote: I dont think the OL was the problem and I dont have a problem with Brian and I'm as critical of Careful Kirk as they come.

Agreed.

HawkeyeMan82 wrote: In what way was Brian Ferentz coaching a disaster or a joke. I really think that KF has many problems to solve. His hiring of present OC was more of a disaster; and his DL coach was more of a disaster. I can criticize Kf regarding his "numbskull" handling of QB situation... but to imply that he would be guilty of nepotism is way out there and attacks his moral fiber. I really can't think of any credible critic that would charge KF with character problems. So,if your question is either or. than Brian was hired based on skill. Why the hell would the Patriots hire him? Tell me where Brian F screwed up.

Just a quick question, Was Brian F the best Oline coach available at the time of his hiring? Just asking.

If Iowa would of kept the previous offensive line coach and didn't move him to the defensive line where he had zero experience, and hired an experienced defensive line coach, Iowa might have gone to a bowl game this year.  they would of at least won a couple of more games.  It hurts a team when you have an offensive and defensive line coach that have zero college coaching experience at their positions.  I think ferentz sold out Iowa football to try and set up his kid both professionally and financially.

This has been the funniest thread I've read in some time, I laughed so hard reading this stuff you guy's crack me up... By the way does anybody notice how creative and fun most of these offense's are in the bowl games manman I sure do like OK States offense, can we get one of them thar Offensive Coordinators for our team???

All due respect Tierney, but Iowa with that QB wasn't going anywhere. THAT I think is the simple point. The patched-up O-line did a pretty good job in the second half of the season, all things considered. Did anyone watch the first half of the Nebby game? The majority of the failure of the O was on JVB, as I see it. You can't pass the football - you can't win. End of statement. Someone please convince me that JVB could've passed for approx. 1500+ this season, if only he had had better protection. Please. I am waiting on baited breath.

RhinelanderHawk wrote: Why does every post have to be so exaggerated?  KOK was not a "disease."  The response was not "retarded."  There is a little more thought to Iowa football than that.

Norm Parker was a difference making coach.  Compare losing him to Hayden losing Bill Snyder, who was also a difference making coach.  But that does not mean the replacements were bad; they were just not as good.

I think we can see the need for some new coaching talent.  Ferentz' biggest challenge will be to stay current in an ever changing world.  New coaches can help an old coach stay current.  While it is true that fundamentals still matter, innovations still matter.  I need good fundamentals to hit a good drive when I play golf, but I can hit it longer and straighter with new clubs than an old wooden driver.  Molding the two trains of thought is the key.

Jeff

You will soon know the ones on here that you get good information from and the ones you won't...there are posters that really don't like KF and there are ones that are willing to see past his on field problems of coaching...lol

I like the OP and he's always been good about posting good information...but I liked the OL and was pleasantly surprised at how well they did...I can't make a judgement on him as a coach other than they had a walk-on do well when he played and Bullock excelled when he played...so I would say he did well as a first year OL coach.

Like RJ I had no problem with what he did...