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Report Says PSU's O'Brien Likely Gone
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:47 PM
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:54 PM
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Imagine how those psu players feel who he told last year he was their for the long haul. They could of left now they will either have to transfer or go through another new head coach process.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:15 PM
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wow, so much for "we are"
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:47 PM
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Iowa better be banging on the doors of all the PSU recruits.
"You don't have a coach, will be playing on teams with only 60 scholarship players, and have no chance to go to a bowl".
College football is a dirty business, take no prisoners business. At least that's the mentality that winning programs have.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:49 PM
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Rob maybe I'm and halucinating here and maybe you may know; but I thought that the 2012 PSU recruits could also transer after this past season, without penalty, as long as they red shirted. Do you recall this at all, or do I need to take a nap and wake up with a clearer head?
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:52 PM
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I thought i heard somewhere that PSU wasnt totally honest with O Brien of the whole scandal/sanctions hence the reason for him changing his stance.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:31 PM
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Ouch. Insult to injury...just when they thought they were on the way back.
Part of me enjoys it, plenty of PSU fans "got over" the scandal a little too fast for my liking.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:38 PM
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I was under the impression any Penn State player could still transfer prior to next season and be immediately eligible with their new team.
In regard to O'Brien, it seemed to me, Penn State officials misrepresented the level of sanctions the NCAA would impose on them, when they convinced him to take the job.
Can't blame him for wanting out with an opportunity to advance his career.
Once again, the kids loyal to the program get screwed.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:48 PM
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PSU players have until the start of the 2013 season to transfer without penalty, meaning they will be eligible to play right away.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:55 PM
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Thanks, Rob.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 6:51 PM
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It would be nice to get some of these recruits with our open schollies.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 7:06 PM
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I really thought he'd be there for the long haul. But I don't blame him for leaving for the NFL. He is a great coach. Poor PSU players been thrown through so much crap.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 8:44 PM
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If he leave I am sure it will be a good thing for him as well... He did great, but maybe the situation is just not right for him.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:04 PM
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PSU got hit hard with sanctions and rightfully so. If I am not mistaken they told O'Brien they didn't think the sanctions would be that bad so that is why he took the job. Then the NCAA dropped the hammer with the death penalty but PSU negotiated it down to the current penalties of no bowl games for four years, $60 million fine, and reduction in scholarships for four years as well.
O'Brien had already accepted the job so he couldn't back out or it would of been a really bad pr move. Feel bad for O'Brien but not PSU. They are getting what they deserve and it is sad to see the state of PA is going to court to try and reverse the sanctions imposed by the NCAA. Accept your failures and learn from them to move forward PSU and state of PA!
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:17 PM
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CBS is reporting O'Brien is staying at PSU, $9.2M buy out is too much to for the Browns.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:37 PM
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I'm skeptical of this PSU mislead O'Brien stuff, if they didn't think serious sanctions were coming, then why did he get an automatic contract extension equal to the number of years of sanctions? I'm pretty confident he, his agent and PSU anticipated the sanctions.
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PSU got hit hard with sanctions and rightfully so. If I am not mistaken they told O'Brien they didn't think the sanctions would be that bad so that is why he took the job. Then the NCAA dropped the hammer with the death penalty but PSU negotiated it down to the current penalties of no bowl games for four years, $60 million fine, and reduction in scholarships for four years as well.
O'Brien had already accepted the job so he couldn't back out or it would of been a really bad pr move. Feel bad for O'Brien but not PSU. They are getting what they deserve and it is sad to see the state of PA is going to court to try and reverse the sanctions imposed by the NCAA. Accept your failures and learn from them to move forward PSU and state of PA!
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Posted: 1/3/2013 10:06 PM
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Confirming that he is staying now... O'Brien says he isn't a "one and done guy" LINKGO HAWKS!
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Posted: 1/3/2013 10:43 PM
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Did he meet with the browns and did he make his statement after the Browns said the buyout was too much? If so then he loses my trust if I'm a player of his. The whole PSU deal is sad, for the kids involved the most but after them and their families its the fans that I feel sorry for as they did nothing to bring on this mess.
If I was a GM I wouldn't consider him yet. He had one year as a college head coach and because teams had never seen an team in his complete controll they couldn't be sure how to prepare for him, so his team had the advantage. Lets see how good he is next season when teams not only know how he runs a team but when they had time to recruit players to go against his type of offense.
When he was the OC at Duke for 2 years his teams averaged 16.1(in 2005) and 14.9(in 2006)points, those two years his offenses ranked 112 and then 113 out of 120 teams. When he got to New England he only became the OC for 1 season and the team had to deal with him and Tom Brady having an argument on the sidelines. My point there is I would wait and see what this guy is made of before I invest too much in him. So far he passes the test but lets see how he does now that teams know more about what to expect from his team.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:08 AM
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hawkeye83 wrote: Confirming that he is staying now... O'Brien says he isn't a "one and done guy"
LINK Seen that too. Good for him. He did the right thing.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:11 AM
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It is interesting how these NFL guru's are always trying to get the jump on sonebody and throw names out there. Yes O'brien talked to Cleveland but probably wasn't very serious. KC may have talked to Kirk and he said thanks but no thanks. I think Kirk will be in Iowa City long enough to make one more good run. I believe he has enough talent in Iowa City to make that happen, heard good things about the last two classes.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:52 PM
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This is why you have to love messageboards and 24/7 media and speculation ... Not dissing Rob ... but interesting how a report will come out that so and so is a top candidate or so and so is leaving, or signing, etc. ... And soon thereafter about 80 percent of what you heard or read never came to fruition
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:49 PM
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Ok then why interview if you werent planning on leaving and that you are not a one and done guy?? makes no sense, shouldnt he have just declined the interview instead? That says alot
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:30 PM
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15StraightWins wrote: Ok then why interview if you werent planning on leaving and that you are not a one and done guy?? makes no sense, shouldnt he have just declined the interview instead? That says alot See KF A simple leverage play to get more cash i assume, which is how the game is played unfortunatly. Although i doubt PSU will fall for the now infamous Iowa AD/ KF contract.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:56 AM
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15StraightWins wrote: Ok then why interview if you werent planning on leaving and that you are not a one and done guy?? makes no sense, shouldnt he have just declined the interview instead? That says alot You apparently don't understand the concept of 'leverage.' And just in case you were wondering, 'leverage' in this instance is not limited to simply more $$$ for the HC. |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:07 AM
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Ok then why interview if you werent planning on leaving and that you are not a one and done guy?? makes no sense, shouldnt he have just declined the interview instead? That says alot
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It could be that he was actually interested in the position, but the terms and conditions of the new job were not attractive to him or it could be that there was something they didn't like about O'Brien. This happens all the time so I don't see any thing unusual about interviewing for a position and staying where you are.
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:13 PM
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It pretty obvious he did this to get a raise. It worked he got a 1.3 mil raise from a booster and raises for his coaches. Also he got some structural changes for the program. He only did this for leverage.
So sorry no poaching for Iowa. I'm looking forward for yearly beat down of Iowa now Bill is staying even with 65 players.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:21 PM
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LBU002 wrote: It pretty obvious he did this to get a raise. It worked he got a 1.3 mil raise from a booster and raises for his coaches. Also he got some structural changes for the program. He only did this for leverage.
So sorry no poaching for Iowa. I'm looking forward for yearly beat down of Iowa now Bill is staying even with 65 players. 1) It's pretty obvious to those in the know that this little dalliance went far beyond a simple pay increase for O'Brien. More $$ for the HC wasn't even a second or even a third priority on OB's "list." 2) You're on an Iowa board. Show a little (make that a lot) more respect less they remind you of the Hawks' domination of 'Dear Old State' for the vast majority of the last decade when Ferentz absolutely owned Paterno and JVP's "offensive juggernaut".
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:26 PM
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LBU002 wrote: It pretty obvious he did this to get a raise. It worked he got a 1.3 mil raise from a booster and raises for his coaches. Also he got some structural changes for the program. He only did this for leverage.
So sorry no poaching for Iowa. I'm looking forward for yearly beat down of Iowa now Bill is staying even with 65 players. Go back to the showers LBU002 |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:39 PM
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SafeHaven wrote:
1) It's pretty obvious to those in the know that this little dalliance went far beyond a simple pay increase for O'Brien. More $$ for the HC wasn't even a second or even a third priority on OB's "list."
Now that is funny. |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 3:55 PM
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DrHibbard wrote:
SafeHaven wrote:
1) It's pretty obvious to those in the know that this little dalliance went far beyond a simple pay increase for O'Brien. More $$ for the HC wasn't even a second or even a third priority on OB's "list."
Now that is funny. And true. But, hey, in the opinion of many outsiders (including NFL insiders) following PSU's season, O'Brien was underpaid considering what he managed to accomplish. He deserves to be paid accordingly. He was imho definitely worthy of an increase in compensation even if it wasn't numero uno on his list (and again, it wasn't). OB now ranks third among the B1G HC's annual compensation behind Meyer and you-know-who. Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w.. And if you don't believe the very key point re the well-deserved pay raises for all of O'Brien's ACs being the higher priority, you might want to take a look at UW's AC situation in recent times and all the assistants that have bolted that program for 'greener pasture$'. . |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 3:59 PM
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SafeHaven wrote:
Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w.. LOL. You need to learn some basics of economics. |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 4:20 PM
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IDK, I think if I was a PSU recruit I'd still look at what my options were. Why not get some stability to your future?
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Posted: 1/6/2013 4:34 PM
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DrHibbard wrote:
SafeHaven wrote:
Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w..
LOL. You need to learn some basics of economics. LOL, please do share with Gary Barta before you start lecturing me.  |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 10:58 PM
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LBU002 wrote: It pretty obvious he did this to get a raise. It worked he got a 1.3 mil raise from a booster and raises for his coaches. Also he got some structural changes for the program. He only did this for leverage.
So sorry no poaching for Iowa. I'm looking forward for yearly beat down of Iowa now Bill is staying even with 65 players. LBU Please do not embarrass PSU fans with a comment like this. We've had many close games BUT Iowa has owned us for the last decade. 2 consecutive wins does not change this. The only "beat down" was this year. I think (hope) the tide has changed, but who can tell. We don't play for 2 years. BTW, I am a PSU grad. and my wife, an Iowa grad. We try our best to respect each school. 72 |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 9:59 AM
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DrHibbard wrote:
SafeHaven wrote:
Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w..
LOL. You need to learn some basics of economics. Still LOL'ing? http://www.statecollege.com/ne...salary-1216238/
He denied multiple times during the press conference that he asked for a raise, and that one was given to him.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 7:25 PM
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psufleish23 wrote:
DrHibbard wrote:
SafeHaven wrote:
Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w..
LOL. You need to learn some basics of economics. Still LOL'ing?
http://www.statecollege.com/ne...salary-1216238/
He denied multiple times during the press conference that he asked for a raise, and that one was given to him. I am LOL'ing at safehaven. He does not understand the basic economics behind coaching salaries. And he will never will. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 12:09 AM
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psu1972 wrote:
LBU002 wrote: It pretty obvious he did this to get a raise. It worked he got a 1.3 mil raise from a booster and raises for his coaches. Also he got some structural changes for the program. He only did this for leverage.
So sorry no poaching for Iowa. I'm looking forward for yearly beat down of Iowa now Bill is staying even with 65 players. LBU
Please do not embarrass PSU fans with a comment like this. We've had many close games BUT Iowa has owned us for the last decade. 2 consecutive wins does not change this. The only "beat down" was this year.
I think (hope) the tide has changed, but who can tell. We don't play for 2 years.
BTW, I am a PSU grad. and my wife, an Iowa grad. We try our best to respect each school.
72 PSU1972: You lucky guy; you married up. I suspect Iowa will make a bit of a comeback next year since Iowa has so many starters coming back, and the starting QB isn't back, so another plus. I don't think I have seen coaching in 2012 this bad at Iowa since the 1970s. I have hesitation about predicting a turnaround, but improvement should be just around the corner. When your team is penalized for delay of game in the two minute drill, and you throw 1-yard on 4th and 3; you call the hail mary but the QB decides not to not throw it from the 50 when behind at the end of a half, fans know we're in a world of hurt. Someone either does not understand this game, or is wholly incapable of explaining it to players. There were numerous other examples that would just simply berate players so I won't go into it any deeper; but this season was horrible.  Sousaphone bandstrut. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:43 AM
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DrHibbard wrote:
psufleish23 wrote:
DrHibbard wrote:
SafeHaven wrote:
Theoretically, all are paid based upon a combination of actual past, present, and anticipated future results. Have at that as you will re y-k-w..
LOL. You need to learn some basics of economics. Still LOL'ing?
http://www.statecollege.com/ne...salary-1216238/
He denied multiple times during the press conference that he asked for a raise, and that one was given to him.
I am LOL'ing at safehaven. He does not understand the basic economics behind coaching salaries. And he will never will. LMAO. You sound an awful lot like Gary Barta with your incessant "not understand(ing) the basic economics behind coaching salaries" spiel. Trying to justify the unjustifiable. Geez, could it be?? Are you Gary Barta? And btw, did you even listen to one word of Bill O'Brien's PC yesterday when during the post-presser Q & A, O'Brien was asked directly about the rumors re that purported $1.3m "raise"?? OB emphatically answered that he did not receive a raise. PSU's AD Joyner stated the very same in his post-presser remarks. Are you suggesting that O'Brien and PSU's AD are in fact lying? You might want to give a listen re how OB responded re his ACs compensation and overall 'big picture' plan to improve the FB program/facilities from both the "student" and the "athlete" perspective. The knowledge is there for the taking. Or you can continue beating your dead horse incessantly and ignore the facts if it makes you feel, uhh, 'smarter'. |
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