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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:50 PM
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Reports indicate that Wisconsin will hire Gary Andersen of Utah State,  |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:00 PM
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Hmmmm. Pretty sure the lunatics on the badger board will not like this at all.
The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:16 PM
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Actually we're quite happy with this if true! I think it's a big upgrade from Bielema.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:00 PM
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I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:16 PM
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I'm not sure what to think about this. Reports are that he is bringing his entire staff with him. Looking over his staff, they are all fairly young, without much experience. Now, that could pay big dividends in recruiting because there wont be generation gaps. But who knows. In looking at the Wisconsin situation, it appears that they are a little on the cheap side, as this new staff will be happy to get the amount of money that Bart was whining about. Time will tell.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:24 PM
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A young coaching staff at the bottom of the pay scale should provide plenty of incentive for them to achieve.
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:25 PM
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Welcome to the next coach in the B1G who will outcoach that chump Ferentz in no time.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:01 AM
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My guess is that Barry approves his style of coaching, after all Utah St. almost beat Wisky, so Barry has seen his style of play up close. I have a feeling he will do fine in Madison.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:09 AM
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kingpin742 wrote: I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up. I think they are very happy with the hire!! In before stlouis badger banhammer |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:57 AM
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BuckyNut wrote: Actually we're quite happy with this if true! I think it's a big upgrade from Bielema. Very typical of scorned fans, they love their coach until he leaves them and his replacement is considered a big upgrade no matter who he is. What I find interesting is this, they hired a guy that has run a spread option offense. This is from SI.com, as for offense, it may be that wisconsin will have a new look for the first time in 20 years. it's not that andersen doesn't share alvarez's and bielema's affinity for the running game -- but he'll likely employ the system he knows best. both utah and utah state employed spread-option offenses with mobile quarterbacks, a departure from wisconsin's traditional pro-style attack. It's going to be quite the makeover in Madison, at least after the Rose Bowl,...
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/ news/20121219/wisconsin-hires-gary-andersen/#ixzz2 FTiZg023 
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:33 AM
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DRAFTFREAK wrote:
BuckyNut wrote: Actually we're quite happy with this if true! I think it's a big upgrade from Bielema.
Very typical of scorned fans, they love their coach until he leaves them and his replacement is considered a big upgrade no matter who he is. What I find interesting is this, they hired a guy that has run a spread option offense. This is from SI.com,
as for offense, it may be that wisconsin will have a new look for the first time in 20 years. it's not that andersen doesn't share alvarez's and bielema's affinity for the running game -- but he'll likely employ the system he knows best. both utah and utah state employed spread-option offenses with mobile quarterbacks, a departure from wisconsin's traditional pro-style attack. It's going to be quite the makeover in Madison, at least after the Rose Bowl,...
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/ news/20121219/wisconsin-hires-gary-andersen/#ixzz2 FTiZg023 interesting thats what you pulled from the article. Thats simply a writer speculating incorrectly. Barry has made it quite clear that our full intentions are to keep doing what has worked here. Andersen is a defensive guy and his OC may be the next coach at USU which would allow us to bring back our OC Canada.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:41 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- JamaicanJake wrote: DRAFTFREAK wrote:
BuckyNut wrote: Actually we're quite happy with this if true! I think it's a big upgrade from Bielema.
Very typical of scorned fans, they love their coach until he leaves them and his replacement is considered a big upgrade no matter who he is. What I find interesting is this, they hired a guy that has run a spread option offense. This is from SI.com,
as for offense, it may be that wisconsin will have a new look for the first time in 20 years. it's not that andersen doesn't share alvarez's and bielema's affinity for the running game -- but he'll likely employ the system he knows best. both utah and utah state employed spread-option offenses with mobile quarterbacks, a departure from wisconsin's traditional pro-style attack.It's going to be quite the makeover in Madison, at least after the Rose Bowl,... Read More: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/ news/20121219/wisconsin-hires-gary-andersen/#ixzz2 FTiZg023 interesting thats what you pulled from the article. Thats simply a writer speculating incorrectly. Barry has made it quite clear that our full intentions are to keep doing what has worked here. Andersen is a defensive guy and his OC may be the next coach at USU which would allow us to bring back our OC Canada. ---------------------------------------- From that exact same article: "A championship-caliber coach will take over a championship-caliber program." |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:28 PM
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I think it is a stretch to think this guy is the answer. I just looked at your recent posts and you called this a home run hire. Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson are home run hires. Gary Anderson is a relative unknown who may or may not keep Wisconsin at the same level it is right now. I think Alvarez didn't want to pay the big name to go there just like he didn't want to pay Bielema so he made a really big reach in getting Anderson. He certainly has the results that show he's a pretty good coach (11 wins last year, the only great year in his 4 years at USU) but this is the Big Ten. He has not recruited for or at a major school and does not have an overwhelming record at USU. To me it is a risk that better work out for Barry or the natives will get restless.
The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/19/2012 2:08 PM
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hoxrock wrote: I think it is a stretch to think this guy is the answer. I just looked at your recent posts and you called this a home run hire. Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson are home run hires. Gary Anderson is a relative unknown who may or may not keep Wisconsin at the same level it is right now. I think Alvarez didn't want to pay the big name to go there just like he didn't want to pay Bielema so he made a really big reach in getting Anderson. He certainly has the results that show he's a pretty good coach (11 wins last year, the only great year in his 4 years at USU) but this is the Big Ten. He has not recruited for or at a major school and does not have an overwhelming record at USU. To me it is a risk that better work out for Barry or the natives will get restless. Bielema never ever once mentioned his pay as being a factor in his leaving. Had he stayed he would have been making right around the same amount. Your post is factually incorrect and ill leave it at that.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:45 PM
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hoxrock wrote: I think it is a stretch to think this guy is the answer. I just looked at your recent posts and you called this a home run hire. Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson are home run hires. Gary Anderson is a relative unknown who may or may not keep Wisconsin at the same level it is right now. I think Alvarez didn't want to pay the big name to go there just like he didn't want to pay Bielema so he made a really big reach in getting Anderson. He certainly has the results that show he's a pretty good coach (11 wins last year, the only great year in his 4 years at USU) but this is the Big Ten. He has not recruited for or at a major school and does not have an overwhelming record at USU. To me it is a risk that better work out for Barry or the natives will get restless. Bielema never ever once mentioned his pay as being a factor in his leaving. Had he stayed he would have been making right around the same amount. Your post is factually incorrect and ill leave it at that. No coach talks about their pay when they leave.  The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:51 PM
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nobowlhawkeyes wrote:
kingpin742 wrote: I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up. Think STL has plans for 2014 Rosebowl - ho hum another new years in LA!! Atleast this time when you changed names after being banned with your others you went full troll. very nice touch. |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 3:56 PM
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nobowlhawkeyes wrote:
kingpin742 wrote: I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up. Think STL has plans for 2014 Rosebowl - ho hum another new years in LA!! Have a good time. Three straight trips for you and the Badgers, three straight losses. At least you have an automatic, rock solid excuse this time. You'll be tied with Cal and MICH for the most Rose Bowl losses in a row! Maybe if the stars align again next year, you can go for FOUR!
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:44 PM
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hoxrock wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
hoxrock wrote: I think it is a stretch to think this guy is the answer. I just looked at your recent posts and you called this a home run hire. Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson are home run hires. Gary Anderson is a relative unknown who may or may not keep Wisconsin at the same level it is right now. I think Alvarez didn't want to pay the big name to go there just like he didn't want to pay Bielema so he made a really big reach in getting Anderson. He certainly has the results that show he's a pretty good coach (11 wins last year, the only great year in his 4 years at USU) but this is the Big Ten. He has not recruited for or at a major school and does not have an overwhelming record at USU. To me it is a risk that better work out for Barry or the natives will get restless. Bielema never ever once mentioned his pay as being a factor in his leaving. Had he stayed he would have been making right around the same amount. Your post is factually incorrect and ill leave it at that.
No coach talks about their pay when they leave. He had no problem talking about the assistants pay lacking. His decision had absolutely nothing to do with his pay. If you think that, you're wrong. Read up on the situation otherwise don't pretend you have a clue.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 5:51 PM
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I would like to nominate you for the dumbest post of the year.... you cant be talking trash when iowa didnt even make it to a bowl game. My parents always said if you dont have anything smart to say then dont say anything at all. --------------------------------------------- --- RJSimmons wrote: nobowlhawkeyes wrote:
kingpin742 wrote: I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up. Think STL has plans for 2014 Rosebowl - ho hum another new years in LA!! Have a good time. Three straight trips for you and the Badgers, three straight losses. At least you have an automatic, rock solid excuse this time. You'll be tied with Cal and MICH for the most Rose Bowl losses in a row! Maybe if the stars align again next year, you can go for FOUR! --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 6:26 PM
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duff8800 wrote:
I would like to nominate you for the dumbest post of the year.... you cant be talking trash when iowa didnt even make it to a bowl game. My parents always said if you dont have anything smart to say then dont say anything at all.
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nobowlhawkeyes wrote:
kingpin742 wrote: I am sure stlbadger and activebadger will have lots to say with no knowledge to back it up. Think STL has plans for 2014 Rosebowl - ho hum another new years in LA!! Have a good time. Three straight trips for you and the Badgers, three straight losses. At least you have an automatic, rock solid excuse this time.
You'll be tied with Cal and MICH for the most Rose Bowl losses in a row! Maybe if the stars align again next year, you can go for FOUR!
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Posted: 12/19/2012 8:34 PM
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I'll be interested to see how Anderson uses the Wisconsin roster next season. Bielema built a power running team. Anderson employs the spread from what I remember. Wisconsin has 27 seniors returning. Gobs of talent and muscle to pound the ball on the ground. I wonder if he tries to change them, or changes his style until he gets more of his kind of guys up in Madison.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:05 PM
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I'll be interested to see how Anderson uses the Wisconsin roster next season. Bielema built a power running team. Anderson employs the spread from what I remember. Wisconsin has 27 seniors returning. Gobs of talent and muscle to pound the ball on the ground. I wonder if he tries to change them, or changes his style until he gets more of his kind of guys up in Madison.
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There's been a lot of talk about that, but Andersen is a defensive coach. As long as Barry is around, one of the prerequisites to being UW's coach is a pro style offense centered around the ground game. I'd be absolutely floored if that changed.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:54 PM
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DRAFTFREAK wrote:
BuckyNut wrote: Actually we're quite happy with this if true! I think it's a big upgrade from Bielema.
Very typical of scorned fans, they love their coach until he leaves them and his replacement is considered a big upgrade no matter who he is. What I find interesting is this, they hired a guy that has run a spread option offense. This is from SI.com,
as for offense, it may be that wisconsin will have a new look for the first time in 20 years. it's not that andersen doesn't share alvarez's and bielema's affinity for the running game -- but he'll likely employ the system he knows best. both utah and utah state employed spread-option offenses with mobile quarterbacks, a departure from wisconsin's traditional pro-style attack.It's going to be quite the makeover in Madison, at least after the Rose Bowl,... Read More: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/ news/20121219/wisconsin-hires-gary-andersen/#ixzz2 FTiZg023 interesting thats what you pulled from the article. Thats simply a writer speculating incorrectly. Barry has made it quite clear that our full intentions are to keep doing what has worked here. Andersen is a defensive guy and his OC may be the next coach at USU which would allow us to bring back our OC Canada.
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From that exact same article:
"A championship-caliber coach will take over a championship-caliber program." Stroke your team all you want but I don't believe for one single second that even 5% of Wisconsin fans truely look at your new coach as "A championship-caliber coach." Maybe they do now that the micro managing by you Wisconsin fanatics has taken place, but I doubt it exsisted in the hours after he was hired. Stewart Mandel, the guy who wrote the story is a BIG10 guy himself and goes out of his way to pump the league up. Read up on him if you don't believe me. I actually like guys like that but he lost credibility with that comment. The reason I don't agree with his comment isn't because I'm an Iowa fan, it's honestly what I think. How can anyone call him that after only 4 years as a head coach at Utah State. I am glad to hear, for your teams sake, that they will keep your playing style. We at Iowa know all too well what changing a teams offensive style can do to production if the personel doesn't match; fans freak and the sky falls! Since you read up on him what is he like? Is he a "go for it kind of guy" like BB did on that fake punt at Kinnick a couple years back? Is he agressive or more like our KF? Since you guys are over here micro managing Iowa fans thoughts on your new coach, why not tell us what you found on the guy. Try to be honest so as not to lose all credibility in the first sentence.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:35 AM
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Is Steve Lassan a Big Ten guy?
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/wisco nsin-football-makes-home-run-hire-utah-states-gary -andersen
Grading Wisconsin’s Hire of Gary Andersen: A+
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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:05 AM
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JamaicanJake wrote:
hoxrock wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
hoxrock wrote: I think it is a stretch to think this guy is the answer. I just looked at your recent posts and you called this a home run hire. Chris Peterson and Gary Patterson are home run hires. Gary Anderson is a relative unknown who may or may not keep Wisconsin at the same level it is right now. I think Alvarez didn't want to pay the big name to go there just like he didn't want to pay Bielema so he made a really big reach in getting Anderson. He certainly has the results that show he's a pretty good coach (11 wins last year, the only great year in his 4 years at USU) but this is the Big Ten. He has not recruited for or at a major school and does not have an overwhelming record at USU. To me it is a risk that better work out for Barry or the natives will get restless. Bielema never ever once mentioned his pay as being a factor in his leaving. Had he stayed he would have been making right around the same amount. Your post is factually incorrect and ill leave it at that.
No coach talks about their pay when they leave. He had no problem talking about the assistants pay lacking. His decision had absolutely nothing to do with his pay. If you think that, you're wrong. Read up on the situation otherwise don't pretend you have a clue. Who's the one who called Anderson a "home run hire?" Don't cast stones about having a clue troll. The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:08 AM
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i would take a guy like this at Iowa in a heartbeat. High energy. Smart. And we would see no worse than what we have seen recently w/ KF at about half the expense-save $ for Fran's extension.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 11:53 AM
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I dont know if he is a home run hire or not but I think he's a good coach. So time will tell whether he has the kind of success that BB had. I wouldnt be so quick to discredit him.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:42 PM
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I don't think having questions about the man is discrediting him. They didn't hire Chris Peterson or Gary Patterson, who are proven commodities at BCS schools.
I just think that considering Wisconsin has been to 3 straight rose bowls and has established a pro-style offense that those aspiring to be in the NFL like to play in that they could not get a bigger name to go there. If I were a Wisconsin fan that would be a bit concerning. Yes time will tell whether Anderson is the guy but in the mean time a man with one great season in 4 years at a WAC school who promised his players he wouldn't leave a mere 18 days before he left leaves some questions to be answered in the areas of recruiting to a big ten school and also in the area of commitment and character. I am aware that he personally called all his players to tell him he was leaving but he knows damn well he made a big mistake making that promise and pretty much made all the calls to save face. Not all his players there were very pleased with the way things went down. I would personally say good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out. A person's word has to mean something at some point.
The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/20/2012 3:54 PM
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I see quite a bit of KF in Coach A. remember a is better than b. I am glad BB is gone. I think BA looks at what utah did in the 2000's to what coach Fry did at Iowa in the 80's. BA hired a BA/mac combo. I like the hire. From the Fry tree to the Urban tree. with the King always being from the Fry tree. There will always be an Iowa tie to UW-Madison.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 5:26 PM
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hoxrock wrote: I don't think having questions about the man is discrediting him. They didn't hire Chris Peterson or Gary Patterson, who are proven commodities at BCS schools.
Chris Peterson has never coached at a BCS school, other than as a position coach. Neither has Gary Patterson, other than one 7-5 year in the Big 12. Gary Anderson is a complete unknown. But from what I have seen, Wisconsin fans have 100% confidence in Barry Alvarez, so I don't think there will be much grumbling. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 7:46 PM
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Tidbit for you guys is Gary Anderson was Urban Meyers DC at Utah . . .
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:00 PM
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portabella wrote: Tidbit for you guys is Gary Anderson was Urban Meyers DC at Utah . . . But he wasnt good enough to take to Florida? |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:30 PM
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He was the DC for Utah's undefeated team. SEC may pay DC's better than some schools pay HC's but Anderson chose to be a HC. |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 7:35 AM
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He actually shared those duties with Kyle Whittingham, now the head coach at Utah.
The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:30 AM
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portabella wrote:He was the DC for Utah's undefeated team. SEC may pay DC's better than some schools pay HC's but Anderson chose to be a HC. That doesn't pass the smell test because he was only a HC for 1 or 2 seasons before he took an assistant coaches job at Utah. Its pretty simple. Urban Meyer didn't offer him a job at Florida or he would have taken it. |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:32 PM
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Gary Andersen was not the DC for Utah's undefeated team. He was the DL coach for that team which was the one and only year he worked for Urban Meyer. He was hired to be the Utah DC by Kyle Whittingham.
I don't know why Simmons is obsessed with Andersen's job offer history. But as usual, he is wrong.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:57 PM
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DrHibbard wrote: Gary Andersen was not the DC for Utah's undefeated team. He was the DL coach for that team which was the one and only year he worked for Urban Meyer. He was hired to be the Utah DC by Kyle Whittingham.
I don't know why Simmons is obsessed with Andersen's job offer history. But as usual, he is wrong. Actually Anderson was a DC from 2004-2008, he shared the duties with Kyle Whittingham for one year and Whittingham retained him as DC. Both he and Whittingham were position coaches too in addition to being DC's. The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 12/21/2012 3:51 PM
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hoxrock wrote:
DrHibbard wrote: Gary Andersen was not the DC for Utah's undefeated team. He was the DL coach for that team which was the one and only year he worked for Urban Meyer. He was hired to be the Utah DC by Kyle Whittingham.
I don't know why Simmons is obsessed with Andersen's job offer history. But as usual, he is wrong.
Actually Anderson was a DC from 2004-2008, he shared the duties with Kyle Whittingham for one year and Whittingham retained him as DC. Both he and Whittingham were position coaches too in addition to being DC's. I never once claimed that Anderson was the DC for Utah's undefeated team, or for Urban Meyer. Nor do I know why Hibbard is obsessed with me but as usual, Hibbard cant read. |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:27 PM
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DrHibbard wrote: Gary Andersen was not the DC for Utah's undefeated team. He was the DL coach for that team which was the one and only year he worked for Urban Meyer. He was hired to be the Utah DC by Kyle Whittingham.
I don't know why Simmons is obsessed with Andersen's job offer history. But as usual, he is wrong. +1 - Simmons makes the 99.9999% of the population that are more intelligent than him thankful that they don't share parents.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 11:31 AM
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I grew up in Iowa and currently live in Utah. I follow USU very close now. Yes it is true that USU runs the "spread". It is also true that they had 2 RB's drafted last year. Robert Turbin (Seattle) and Mike Smith (Tampa Bay). There RB this year will also have a really good shot at making it in the league (Kerwynn Williams). USU is a run first team. I think Andersen will do just fine at Wisky. As for USU defense, they ranked 8th in the nation in scoring defense and top 20 in many other categories. I know its not the Big Ten, but look at the box score of the Wisky game. The D-coordinator (Aranda) knows how to coach. Sad to see Andersen go, but this is a great opportunity for him.
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