So is it normal for other BIG schools to offer our commits?? Seems like a underhanded thing to do.

As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J. Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

It would be a shame to lose our top recruit so I hope he sticks with his commitment. However, coming off an uninspired 4 - 8 record with little reason for optimism next year, this is probably normal for the course. We need changes in the Iowa football program and more of the same makes us a much less "sexy" program.

Hill's biggest advantage at Iowa is that he would probably get to see the field early and more often.

word is that hill and lile are very close.

jonpc wrote: word is that hill and lile are very close.

It's true, Lile was his host this past weekend, but Hill and DeJuan Rogers are even closer.  There is no way Michigan is going to offer Rogers, but Iowa has showed interest in him.  They talked about going to Pitt together if they both got offered.  I was hoping to see Michigan with a couple safety recruits, but so far they don't have any listed.  They have a couple top notch CBs, but nobody listed as a saftey, however Iowa aready has 2 safteys coming in and Lile being a redshirt freshmen next year.  Unfortunately I think he's a gone.

He Gone!!!!

Not official, but everyone just wait until he makes his visit this weekend.

Merry Christmas Kirk!!!!

Welcome to the bottom feeders of the BIG 10 where we loose our best recruits to the better teams.

It isn't good to lose any recruits but what do you do when the home state school comes calling?  Especially when it is "Michigan".  Hope for the best, but expect the worst with this one.  We will see if he stays true to his commitment with Iowa or makes a move to scUM.

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J. Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

I'm over it just thought I would ask a question.

Seems like Hill is in U of M's fold now because they are starting to loose faith that  Leon McQuay III will not be going there. Their borad mentioned Hill getting an offer but seemed more in tuned to the fact that McQuay would not be coming so D. Hill would be a nice consolation prize, seeing that he grew up in Detroit. He's taking a visit there so it seems like his considering Michigan as a viable option....... CUSS WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They also had a article about how nicely Amara Deboh is coming along at WR.... It felt sickening to read it. Man I can't stand Meechigan!

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J.  Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

Are you saying he gone and going to UM for sure? Does that mean we all have to agree cause you said so?  Is he gone for sure this time unlike last time? Doctor you don't really know that, it's your opinion because he's taking the visit, right? I agree it's not what we want to read/hear but none of us really know. I'll wait to hear from him and by the way, I still like our chances.

KF375 wrote: So is it normal for other BIG schools to offer our commits?? Seems like a underhanded thing to do.

See Wisconsin.....

madsam0297 wrote:

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J.  Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

Are you saying he gone and going to UM for sure? Does that mean we all have to agree cause you said so?  Is he gone for sure this time unlike last time? Doctor you don't really know that, it's your opinion because he's taking the visit, right? I agree it's not what we want to read/hear but none of us really know. I'll wait to hear from him and by the way, I still like our chances.

Weird post considering he doesn't mention or even allude that Delano Hill is going to michigan for sure.

IAhawk15 wrote:

madsam0297 wrote:

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J.  Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

Are you saying he gone and going to UM for sure? Does that mean we all have to agree cause you said so?  Is he gone for sure this time unlike last time? Doctor you don't really know that, it's your opinion because he's taking the visit, right? I agree it's not what we want to read/hear but none of us really know. I'll wait to hear from him and by the way, I still like our chances.

Weird post considering he doesn't mention or even allude that Delano Hill is going to michigan for sure.

Looks like madsam has some serious reading comprehension issues.

DrHibbard wrote:

IAhawk15 wrote:

madsam0297 wrote:

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J.  Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

Are you saying he gone and going to UM for sure? Does that mean we all have to agree cause you said so?  Is he gone for sure this time unlike last time? Doctor you don't really know that, it's your opinion because he's taking the visit, right? I agree it's not what we want to read/hear but none of us really know. I'll wait to hear from him and by the way, I still like our chances.

Weird post considering he doesn't mention or even allude that Delano Hill is going to michigan for sure.

Looks like madsam has some serious readplac comprehension issues.

Sorry guys, I read this thread in a very noisy and busy place.  I assumed the thread was about Hill. I just put my two cents in thinking he was still an Iowa lock. Thanks for taking potshots towards a person you know nothing about and a situation I questioned. You did not improve your stance at all. As you were.

madsam0297 wrote:

DrHibbard wrote:

IAhawk15 wrote:

madsam0297 wrote:

DrHibbard wrote: As far as I know. Michigan has always been interested in Hill. They may have simply not known until now if they would have a scholarship available for him.

Schools do this all the time. Including Iowa, which among others, made offers to Barkley Hill well after he committed to Iowa State and to C.J.  Fiedorowicz after he committed to Illinois. So get over it already.

Are you saying he gone and going to UM for sure? Does that mean we all have to agree cause you said so?  Is he gone for sure this time unlike last time? Doctor you don't really know that, it's your opinion because he's taking the visit, right? I agree it's not what we want to read/hear but none of us really know. I'll wait to hear from him and by the way, I still like our chances.

Weird post considering he doesn't mention or even allude that Delano Hill is going to michigan for sure.

Looks like madsam has some serious readplac comprehension issues.

Sorry guys, I read this thread in a very noisy and busy place.  I assumed the thread was about Hill. I just put my two cents in thinking he was still an Iowa lock. Thanks for taking potshots towards a person you know nothing about and a situation I questioned. You did not improve your stance at all. As you were.

This is some info no one had before they supposedly took potshots at you and thats on you. Welcome to it

Guess I had better get thicker skin in this tough crowd
Happy Holidays

madsam0297 wrote: Guess I had better get thicker skin in this tough crowd
Happy Holidays

LOL, dont worry about it. Most of the people are good guys and then you have the others. I was just messin with you! I just got it earlier in the post. Merry Christmas!

Yep,thick skinned is good. Make sure you spell it correctly for the EM'S.

Just switched his pledge to UM.

He played a little too fast for Kirk anyway. Wasn't Iowa football you know.

Hawkeyes4ever wrote:

KF375 wrote: So is it normal for other BIG schools to offer our commits?? Seems like a underhanded thing to do.

See Wisconsin.....

Up until recently, there was what the Big Ten coaches called a "gentlemen's agreement" between them that they would not attempt to poach one another's verbal commits.  With the recent coaching turnover in the B1G over the last few years and new coaches coming in from other conferences, it seems that any gentlemen's agreements have gone by the wayside.

Hey, no big loss...our only 4 star recruit left in this class.

Maybe we'll get the same results picking up two 2-stars. After all, 2+2=4. Now that's "sexy" and it gives us our best chance to win!!

These sites that rank players see things different. Iowa 247 has Trevon Young listed as a 4 star LB and has us with 2 commits at 88 (LB John Kenney and OG Colin Goebel) and 1 at 89 (TE Jon Wisnieski)(90 is a 4 star). Hill is a BIG lose but the kid didn't get his 4th star during last season with his play, no he was a 3 star, he was timed at a camp at 4.4 in the summer and he went up. STILL A BIG LOSE FOR SURE! People can dog on Iowa for this but the kid did nothing more than stay home where his family can see him. If you had an offer for out of state and commited but Iowa offered 2 months before you signed, would you stay home. Would the fans be wrong for blaming the coach for your choice? I say let's see how this plays out before we freak out, check that, I have no plans to freak out, it's recruiting.

In today's college football business, that agreement makes no sense. I am glad it is going away. It's a loser's mentality and only hurts the players.
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Hawkeyes4ever wrote:

KF375 wrote: So is it normal for other BIG schools to offer our commits?? Seems like a underhanded thing to do.

See Wisconsin.....

Up until recently, there was what the Big Ten coaches called a "gentlemen's agreement" between them that they would not attempt to poach one another's verbal commits.  With the recent coaching turnover in the B1G over the last few years and new coaches coming in from other conferences, it seems that any gentlemen's agreements have gone by the wayside.

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BubbRub wrote:

Up until recently, there was what the Big Ten coaches called a "gentlemen's agreement" between them that they would not attempt to poach one another's verbal commits.  With the recent coaching turnover in the B1G over the last few years and new coaches coming in from other conferences, it seems that any gentlemen's agreements have gone by the wayside.

The "gentlemen's agreement" is more urban myth than reality.

It got a lot of publicity because Bret Bielema got upset when Urban Meyer flipped one of his verbal committments.  But Bielema got almost no support for his position.  Even Barry Alvarez sided against him and stated quite clearly that the so-called "gentlemen's agreement" did not exist:

"Recruiting is recruiting until they sign," Alvarez told ESPN's Joe Schad. "If we had somebody who changed their mind and came to us, that's OK. Urban was very aggressive but there is no pact within the conference not to continue to recruit. Open season until they sign."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...-181630929.html

Bielema himself is hypocritical on the issue.  He was upset when Ohio State recruited one of his verbal commits.  But only a few months earlier, he himself recruited one of Minnesota's verbal commits to Wisconsin:
http://www.twincities.com/spor...cruit-wisconsin

Every team in the Big 10 has had this happen to them. And has done it to other teams.  If Iowa fans are outraged that Brady Hoke recruited Hill away after he was verbally committed to Iowa, they should be equally outraged that Kirk Ferentz recruited C.J. Fiedorowicz after he was verbally committed to Illinois.

My question is this; who from the Iowa staff was in Hill's ear attempting to keep him? Anyone? Or was KF too busy counting his millions and protecting his worthless yes men coordinators to bother.

jshawks wrote: My question is this; who from the Iowa staff was in Hill's ear attempting to keep him? Anyone? Or was KF too busy counting his millions and protecting his worthless yes men coordinators to bother.

Before you make uninformed accusations, you should know that Iowa had Hill on campus just six days ago:

http://iowa.scout.com/2/1248024.html

As a Michigan fan I feel bad about poaching a recruit. Unfortunately that's just the way recruiting is. I like Iowa as a program and hope you guys get it going again.

Hey Doc I do believe they offered him after he visited,Js is not uninformed. I think what he is trying to say is after Michigan offered why didn't someone fly up there to visit him. But I know Mr know it all Doc Hib would rather argue or call someone stupid than maybe look deeper into a statement.

DrHibbard wrote:

jshawks wrote: My question is this; who from the Iowa staff was in Hill's ear attempting to keep him? Anyone? Or was KF too busy counting his millions and protecting his worthless yes men coordinators to bother.

Before you make uninformed accusations, you should know that Iowa had Hill on campus just six days ago:

http://iowa.scout.com/2/1248024.html

DrHibbard wrote:

jshawks wrote: My question is this; who from the Iowa staff was in Hill's ear attempting to keep him? Anyone? Or was KF too busy counting his millions and protecting his worthless yes men coordinators to bother.

Before you make uninformed accusations, you should know that Iowa had Hill on campus just six days ago:

http://iowa.scout.com/2/1248024.html

I'm well aware that Hill was on campus, I read the news too. Hill was part of a large group of 2013 commits on an official visit prior to his Michigan offer. But what happened after that offer came? As outsiders we'll never really know, but one thing that you can take to the bank, KF is consistent in both how he coaches and how he recruits. He has never been a good salesman for Iowa and he never will be. He takes a take it or leave it approach to recruits.

Usually I trust the coaching staff win who they bring in and recruit, but this time around it just feels different. I'm starting to believe it's the beginning of the end. KF, you gotta go sooner than later.

DrHibbard wrote:
The "gentlemen's agreement" is more urban myth than reality.

I remember hearing Jim Tressel talk about it.  It was more than urban legend at one point.

Michigan fan here... The Go Blue Wolverine site posted last night that Hill has committed to Michigan along with David Dawson. They were HS team mates. I am not sure if there is a formality he wants to follow or more just "the right thing to do" to inform Coach Ferentz, maybe thats why the Hawkeye Insider has not posted it yet. He was still on his official as of last night at U of M. (By the way, this does go on all the time) We lost a verbal committ last week to OSU.

marcusg3 wrote: Seems like Hill is in U of M's fold now because they are starting to loose faith that  Leon McQuay III will not be going there. Their borad mentioned Hill getting an offer but seemed more in tuned to the fact that McQuay would not be coming so D. Hill would be a nice consolation prize, seeing that he grew up in Detroit. He's taking a visit there so it seems like his considering Michigan as a viable option....... CUSS WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They also had a article about how nicely Amara Deboh is coming along at WR.... It felt sickening to read it. Man I can't stand Meechigan!

It does happen all the time.... in fact it happens to us as well. Kids come and go until signing day for different reasons.... I think Hill stayed home to play with teammates (Cass really is a pipeline school for us) We have nothing against you guys obviously.... feel bad for Wiscy because we are about to take the little brother of their Star RB Ball. That's much more of a story than Hill staying home.


Good luck on the recruiting trail.

BubbRub wrote:

DrHibbard wrote:
The "gentlemen's agreement" is more urban myth than reality.

I remember hearing Jim Tressel talk about it.  It was more than urban legend at one point.

What did Tressel say about it, other than it doesn't exist?

He recruited players after the verbally committed to other schools both in and out of the Big 10.  Most notably, he signed Terrelle Pryor after Pryor had vebally committed to Pitt.

powerlifta11 wrote: It does happen all the time.... in fact it happens to us as well. Kids come and go until signing day for different reasons.... I think Hill stayed home to play with teammates (Cass really is a pipeline school for us) We have nothing against you guys obviously.... feel bad for Wiscy because we are about to take the little brother of their Star RB Ball. That's much more of a story than Hill staying home.


Good luck on the recruiting trail.

Do you guys have to be so nice? Sure makes it harder to dislike Michigan. LOL
Seriously though, thanks guys for being cool about the whole thing, coulda been jerks. Personally I understand him staying home to play in front of family. No big deal, big lose though, well, fast and big lose.