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Posted: 12/12/2012 7:18 PM
Bielema is poaching Wisconsin recruits
That guy's got no shame. Zero. Its hilarious.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 7:34 PM
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Wow - no class. But that's always been said about him.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 8:05 PM
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If your going to succeed in todays recruiting wars there are no rules. Didn't Michihgan just offer Hill who they ignored all year. This kid grew up next door,but Mich. let Iowa spend all year chasing,and stepping in at the end hasn't bothered Holke at all. Get use to it,and go after who ever you can.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 8:50 PM
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Is it KF's recruiting techniques that must be upgraded? What does playing Mr. nice guy get us? It gets us four-star recruits who transfer out after a year and a bunch of two and three star recruits that take a mountain of work to get them up to B1G playing standards.
KF's recruiting program needs drastic changes. So does his offensive and defensive schemes because they are not "sexy". We need to get a consultant in to advise KF what changes should be made. Maybe BB's poaching approach is distasteful to most of us, but then again it is the new norm.
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 12/12/2012 9:54 PM
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Being Mr. Nice is good for the neighborhood rec league. KF is the head coach of a Big Ten football program. Of course you want character, but you also need to be assertive, and not bashful about doing what is necesary and in the best interests of the program. If you offend somebody along the way, well, then I think you are doing something right. It is not his job to make as many friends as he can.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 10:15 PM
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I'd be perfectly content of KF would leave and poach half of the 2* talent he has recruited.  |
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Posted: 12/12/2012 10:20 PM
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The guy BB got was a southeastern Juco. Wisky has taken two other Jucos in the last ten years, by my count, to fill gaping holes. I think it is the same at Iowa. I expect he will get a couple more. There is no doubt this change will hurt our recruiting class. Question is how much?
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:27 AM
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I'm Ok with Bielema poaching Wisky recruits. Kids commit because of school or coach. He is the coach. Its a cutthroat business and if you can't recruit, you will not win.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:44 AM
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I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:59 AM
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I'm gonna go with Bielema on this one. (while I hold my nose). It's quite common for a coach to want the guys he has recruited to follow him. This isn't unusual. As a previous poster stated, Basabe following Fran is a perfect example. I love it, I love it, I love it!!! -Jim Zabel
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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:28 AM
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I hope he takes all of their good recruits.
Make Barry recruit. He's getting over $100 G to coach a bowl game.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:48 AM
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i think it's funny that everyone on here thinks they know exactly how KF is during practice and around the family kitchen table. has KF recruited you or your son? do you guys go to practice everyday? i doubt it, i would bet money that KF has never stepped one foot in anyone's door here. Maybe one or two. We don't really know how his recruiting tactics are, we don't know what he's like at practice. I've read interviews from past players saying he is very animated and very passionate behind the scenes just not on game days. just calm down a little.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:56 AM
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bearshawk wrote: i think it's funny that everyone on here thinks they know exactly how KF is during practice and around the family kitchen table. has KF recruited you or your son? do you guys go to practice everyday? i doubt it, i would bet money that KF has never stepped one foot in anyone's door here. Maybe one or two. We don't really know how his recruiting tactics are, we don't know what he's like at practice. I've read interviews from past players saying he is very animated and very passionate behind the scenes just not on game days. just calm down a little. What ever he's doin...it ain't working. Especially...on game day.
I love it, I love it, I love it!!! -Jim Zabel
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Posted: 12/13/2012 12:21 PM
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bearshawk wrote: i think it's funny that everyone on here thinks they know exactly how KF is during practice and around the family kitchen table. has KF recruited you or your son? do you guys go to practice everyday? i doubt it, i would bet money that KF has never stepped one foot in anyone's door here. Maybe one or two. We don't really know how his recruiting tactics are, we don't know what he's like at practice. I've read interviews from past players saying he is very animated and very passionate behind the scenes just not on game days. just calm down a little. Yes, he did...he wasn't impressive...nor was his coaches impressive...matter of fact I tried calling them all one time and non...zero called me back...nothing...I thought wow you tell us you're recruiting my son...actually Norm Parker did at the Iowa football camp...and then nothing...even Phil came to his school in Florida...but no communication...I finally saw KF at the Spring game and he said how's my son and I asked him why they didn't get back to me...he said he would check into it and get back to me...never heard from him... |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 12:22 PM
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chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. Didn't Brands bring four wrestlers with him when he took the Iowa job? |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 3:34 PM
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Most Recruits enter a school because of the coaches, the promises, and the product they put on the field. All scholies should be open when a coach leaves the school.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 4:16 PM
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chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. We get it...Kirk. Iowa's not "sexy". Thanks for stopping by.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 4:51 PM
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chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. We get it...Kirk. Iowa's not "sexy". Thanks for stopping by. You have to admit there is a bit of reality in what he said. Oh, I will continue to stop by the free board where free speech is appreciated as long as you agree with others. BTW, if I was 18 years old lad, young girls in bikinis might play a roll in where I decide where to spend the next four years  |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:23 PM
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chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena.
kingpin742 wrote:
Didn't Brands bring four wrestlers with him when he took the Iowa job? In addition to Fran McCafferey and Tom Brands, Kirk Ferentz has been known to poach recruits. Among others, he offered and then signed Barkley Hill after Hill was verbally committed to Iowa State and he offered and then signed C.J. Fiedorowicz after Fiedorowicz was verbally committed to Illinois. But you guys and your facts are ruining RJ's contrived outrage and general complaining. Shame shame shame. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:41 PM
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RJSimmons wrote:
chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. We get it...Kirk. Iowa's not "sexy". Thanks for stopping by. You have to admit there is a bit of reality in what he said. Oh, I will continue to stop by the free board where free speech is appreciated as long as you agree with others.
BTW, if I was 18 years old lad, young girls in bikinis might play a roll in where I decide where to spend the next four years I'll tell you.....many a cold winter night in Iowa City, did I keep various cold co-eds nice and warm. All a prospective recruit needs to do is walk thru the Iowa campus in the spring or fall when school is in session, to see the glut of hot, hot chicks. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:53 PM
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Those of you ripping BB for "poaching" recruits are kidding right?
That is grade A ridiculous.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:56 PM
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RJSimmons wrote:
madsam0297 wrote:
RJSimmons wrote:
chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. We get it...Kirk. Iowa's not "sexy". Thanks for stopping by. You have to admit there is a bit of reality in what he said. Oh, I will continue to stop by the free board where free speech is appreciated as long as you agree with others.
BTW, if I was 18 years old lad, young girls in bikinis might play a roll in where I decide where to spend the next four years I'll tell you.....many a cold winter night in Iowa City, did I keep various cold co-eds nice and warm. All a prospective recruit needs to do is walk thru the Iowa campus in the spring or fall when school is in session, to see the glut of hot, hot chicks. One of the only reasons why I still love gameday... |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:24 PM
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WizardHawk wrote: Those of you ripping BB for "poaching" recruits are kidding right?
That is grade A ridiculous. Under normal circumstances I wouldnt even bring it up. But seeing as how Barry Alvarez brought BB to Wisconsin, groomed and promoted him ahead of other assistants. Barry gave him his first head coaching job. How does Bart repay him? Not only does Bart quit with ZERO notice, right before the Rose Bowl but he flips recruits on his way out of town. C'mon. Even the most ruthless business man has to admit that its disrespectful at best. I mean.....at what point does it start to become dirty? |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:45 PM
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RJSimmons wrote:
WizardHawk wrote: Those of you ripping BB for "poaching" recruits are kidding right?
That is grade A ridiculous. Under normal circumstances I wouldnt even bring it up. But seeing as how Barry Alvarez brought BB to Wisconsin, groomed and promoted him ahead of other assistants. Barry gave him his first head coaching job. How does Bart repay him? Not only does Bart quit with ZERO notice, right before the Rose Bowl but he flips recruits on his way out of town.
C'mon. Even the most ruthless business man has to admit that its disrespectful at best.
I mean.....at what point does it start to become dirty? I can see your point to some extent, but BB quit his job and took on another, happens everyday. HE, as anyone else, is now bound to make the most of the situation. Hell, he has $2.2M reasons why he should take every avenue avaible. And, none of these kids have signed the dotted line. Until that is done, they are open to everyone. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:58 AM
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I've never believed the climate arguement for Iowa's recruiting problems. And neither have I believed the "Iowa is boring" arguement either.
Climate doesn't seem to keep Michigan, O$U, Oregon, Boise, Nebraska and many others from bringing in good recruits. Those places are all at least as cold as Iowa.
And can anyone tell me with a straight face that Manhattan, Kansas has something to offer that Iowa City doesn't?
Cold? Boring? Nah, if we got recruiting problems, it's for some other reason.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:43 AM
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I've never believed the climate arguement for Iowa's recruiting problems. And neither have I believed the "Iowa is boring" arguement either.
Climate doesn't seem to keep Michigan, O$U, Oregon, Boise, Nebraska and many others from bringing in good recruits. Those places are all at least as cold as Iowa.
And can anyone tell me with a straight face that Manhattan, Kansas has something to offer that Iowa City doesn't?
Cold? Boring? Nah, if we got recruiting problems, it's for some other reason.
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Agree. I suspect that KF's recruiting program is just as out of date as his offensive and defensive schemes!
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:59 AM
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thebohunk wrote: I've never believed the climate arguement for Iowa's recruiting problems. And neither have I believed the "Iowa is boring" arguement either.
Climate doesn't seem to keep Michigan, O$U, Oregon, Boise, Nebraska and many others from bringing in good recruits. Those places are all at least as cold as Iowa.
And can anyone tell me with a straight face that Manhattan, Kansas has something to offer that Iowa City doesn't?
Cold? Boring? Nah, if we got recruiting problems, it's for some other reason. Totally agree with you as well. I think it's a combination of the climate, boring state, and boring football. People always like to place blame on the first two. However, where was Oregon before Kelly implemented that crazy offensive system? You can't tell me if someone came to Iowa with an innovative offensive philosophy we couldn't do the same thing Oregon has done. The "it's just Iowa" excuse gets really old in my book. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:11 PM
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bearshawk wrote: i think it's funny that everyone on here thinks they know exactly how KF is during practice and around the family kitchen table. has KF recruited you or your son? do you guys go to practice everyday? i doubt it, i would bet money that KF has never stepped one foot in anyone's door here. Maybe one or two. We don't really know how his recruiting tactics are, we don't know what he's like at practice. I've read interviews from past players saying he is very animated and very passionate behind the scenes just not on game days. just calm down a little.  Does it matter if he was passionate or animated behind the scenes at practice or gametime this year? That so called vigor you speak of didn't change our pathetic 4 and 8 season in 2012! And let me point out, there are a lot more serious issues at hand regarding our failing football program - and it doesn't just begin with KF's passion or lack thereof on the sideline. You can start with incompetent gametime coaching for sure....and the list goes on. Even if these articles you seen are true (and you can't say for certain they are 100% true either because you weren't there), it still isn't enough! Someone needs to assist KF with his whole approach for recruiting, game preparation, and coaching during games because his approach is stinking to high heaven! We fans do not need to be behind the scenes...we see the results of KF's shortcomings on the field during gameday! |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:50 PM
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DrHibbard wrote:chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena.
kingpin742 wrote:
Didn't Brands bring four wrestlers with him when he took the Iowa job?
In addition to Fran McCafferey and Tom Brands, Kirk Ferentz has been known to poach recruits. Among others, he offered and then signed Barkley Hill after Hill was verbally committed to Iowa State and he offered and then signed C.J. Fiedorowicz after Fiedorowicz was verbally committed to Illinois.
But you guys and your facts are ruining RJ's contrived outrage and general complaining. Shame shame shame. DrHibbard, I agree 100% with you which I can't ever remember doing! We need to write this down somewhere and remember it  I see no problem with Bielema contacting his current crop of recruits. I assume many of the players committed because they were comfortable with both Bielema and his play style. They have no idea what style the next coach will bring or if they'll mesh with him. And as been previously noted: Tom Brands and Fran did it. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:00 AM
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Obviously I don't know the specific situation but my guess is your son wasn't a priority. Would it have been nice to let you know that? Absolutely. That would have made me upset as well. --------------------------------------------- --- BiRDS wrote: bearshawk wrote: i think it's funny that everyone on here thinks they know exactly how KF is during practice and around the family kitchen table. has KF recruited you or your son? do you guys go to practice everyday? i doubt it, i would bet money that KF has never stepped one foot in anyone's door here. Maybe one or two. We don't really know how his recruiting tactics are, we don't know what he's like at practice. I've read interviews from past players saying he is very animated and very passionate behind the scenes just not on game days. just calm down a little. Yes, he did...he wasn't impressive...nor was his coaches impressive...matter of fact I tried calling them all one time and non...zero called me back...nothing...I thought wow you tell us you're recruiting my son...actually Norm Parker did at the Iowa football camp...and then nothing...even Phil came to his school in Florida...but no communication...I finally saw KF at the Spring game and he said how's my son and I asked him why they didn't get back to me...he said he would check into it and get back to me...never heard from him... --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:59 AM
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All of the rationale supporting BB would be fine, but didn't he have a hissy fit with Urban Meyer doing the same thing, a year ago? And when Ill went into PSU with their entire staff of recruiters it was just shameful. And you all continue to bash KF the same day a blog is front page internet news, that Maurice Clarett affirms how much he was paid at OSU....cadillac, lexus, etc.
Come on boys and girls. You can follow this line of logic. Ethics, clean programs, have no place in the upper echelon of college football. Yet the media sweeps it under the rug as irrelevant or vindictiveness.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 10:37 AM
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 RJSimmons wrote: That guy's got no shame. Zero. Its hilarious. "As a staff, we're most interested in what a player has from the neck up. We want to know about his family. Did he have a brother -was he successful; did he have a sister - was she successful?" Chris Doyle
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Posted: 12/15/2012 11:03 AM
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Exactly! I guess a gentleman's agreement between coaches but not between a coach and his former boss? Nobody likes a hypocrite.
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--- boardwalkhawk wrote:
All of the rationale supporting BB would be fine, but didn't he have a hissy fit with Urban Meyer doing the same thing, a year ago? And when Ill went into PSU with their entire staff of recruiters it was just shameful. And you all continue to bash KF the same day a blog is front page internet news, that Maurice Clarett affirms how much he was paid at OSU....cadillac, lexus, etc.
Come on boys and girls. You can follow this line of logic. Ethics, clean programs, have no place in the upper echelon of college football. Yet the media sweeps it under the rug as irrelevant or vindictiveness.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:20 AM
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Poaching apart of the game. The reason Michigan took Hill is because Ohio State successfully poached Gareon Conley away from them who was with them since March.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:51 AM
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If Bielema is not breaking any rules, then who cares? I can't say I blame him, trying to do whatever he can to get as much competetive advantage as he can.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:09 AM
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chicagohawk24 wrote: I take it that you also hate coach Fran who took Basaba from Siena. High school kids don't pick a school for the school but for the coach. We are lucky to get the recruits we do get. If you are a high school kid and have a choice of Miami or USC and can spend 4 years on a beach with hot girls in bikinis or go to Iowa, it would be hard to pick Iowa. I love the Hawks but recruiting will always be a struggle. Nuked the riginal argument pretty well |
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