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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:04 AM
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:18 AM
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I've seen many people defend KF and his response to the reporter's question. Many of them say, "why ask the question in the first place"? I'll tell you why....for the exact same reason in the Sandusky case. If KF IS a man of integrity, then it begs the question why he would tell football players to avoid this character WITHOUT REPORTING THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM. At least the Gray case isn't as sick as pedophilia, but using your position to gain sexual favors is still pretty gross. And why was he allowed to resign....fire his @ss! I am truly disappointed that the UI is less than transparent in these kinds of cases.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:48 AM
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This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:05 AM
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You are right underscore, this is probably worse  . Go Hawks! |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:12 AM
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Not enough just to have a bad football team? Have to be sleazebags too?
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:25 AM
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This silence by KF is because he was told not to speak of it. This should be handled by Mason and Barta.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:05 PM
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underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things. I have been saying over and over again about how the events that transpired at PSU could happen anywhere. This is nowhere near what happened at PSU yet. Probably will never amount to the same level until a coverup is discovered which isn't likely either.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:26 PM
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underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things. Tom, the big difference here in process is that because Gray's actions did not involve minors, and many of them may not even have been criminal, there was no reporting requirement comparable to the reporting requirements for abuse of children. Additionally, adults are assumed to have more ability and understanding than children do to protect themselves against nonviolent predators. I don't see the procedural failures here as anywhere near comparable to those at Penn State. Toledo, Ohio -- Since 1835, defending our northern border against the Heathen Masses of the North. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:35 PM
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Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this?
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Posted: 11/14/2012 12:40 PM
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If anyone in the University knew about Grey and did nothing, I want them GONE! ASAP!
Dont care who it is.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:01 PM
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Perfect opportunity to do A LOT of house cleaning. A known creeper is on the payroll and you hire him back to the same position for a second time? Good one. Pink slips all around.
From Hunter "let's make freshman ineligible" Rawlings to the Rhodes/Coleman combo who gave us the Tom Davis lame duck year and bungling, bureaucratic egg-head search committee who blew the Stoops hiring to Sally Mason who has made it no secret of her disdain for big-time athletics this university has been headed by complete boobs and incompetents who have done nothing but put this University at a competitive disadvantage versus our peers.
I love the way Sally was mouthing off this summer about how transparent Iowa is as compared to schools like PSU.......except when the $hit hits the fan here. Then she's got nothing to say.
I love the way every time something like this comes up Iowa goes into full cover up mode (PP and Everson/Satterfield) but then wants to always sprout off about how we do things the "right way" here at Iowa.
These people literally make me sick to my stomach.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:18 PM
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As I get older and appreciate more about my alma mater than football, I find what Rawlings was trying to do honorable and I wish it were something the NCAA would consider. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:14 PM
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Honorable? The guy was a self-promoting clown trying to draw attention to himself so the Ivy League schools would take notice and had he gotten his way would have destroyed Iowa football in the process.
It wasn't ever going to happen so isn't worth much discussion but there was nothing "honorable" in what he was trying to do.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:07 PM
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As far as I can tell, that was the point of his question. Apparently, a couple of former players tweeted or FB'd as much. And a number of articles on the subject have stated that KF and the swim coach both advised players to avoid Gray.
But this is not as awful as the Sandusky case. Not even close. But it does show the same types of organizational inaction and avoidance.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:21 PM
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RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this? Wait! How come the reporter did not ask Bluder or the rest of the coaches he was responsible for (women’s basketball, men’s golf and men’s and women’s swimming teams)? This fall, two coaches requested that Gray’s supervisor not allow him to make a presentation to prospective student-athletes and their parents after the coaches said Gray made inappropriate sexual comments during a previous presentation. Anybody ask Fran, he might be dirty too? Nah let's go for the guy who's an easy target. I don't even know why he needed to ask. All the dirt was previously reported in the Iowa Press Citizen story. http://www.press-citizen.com/a...|text|Frontpage
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:31 PM
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I think a number of people on this board would love a huge scandal so theat the U niversity would be forced to fire all of the people that they believe are making their lives miserable. At least that's my impression from reading the crap in this thread.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:47 PM
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doughudd wrote:
RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this?
Wait! How come the reporter did not ask Bluder or the rest of the coaches he was responsible for (women’s basketball, men’s golf and men’s and women’s swimming teams)?
This fall, two coaches requested that Gray’s supervisor not allow him to make a presentation to prospective student-athletes and their parents after the coaches said Gray made inappropriate sexual comments during a previous presentation.
Anybody ask Fran, he might be dirty too? Nah let's go for the guy who's an easy target.
I don't even know why he needed to ask. All the dirt was previously reported in the Iowa Press Citizen story.
http://www.press-citizen.com/a...|text|Frontpage Well Doug, exactly. It was reported in another article that it was KF and the swim coach. And it was former football players in the social media. So that's all we know at this point. That's why KF was asked the question. If it had been basketball players, either men's or women's, I'm sure the question would have been asked of those coaches. The point is that in situations like these, the UI goes into coverup mode leaving those on the outside wondering what the heck is going on there.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:52 PM
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perkypete wrote: I've seen many people defend KF and his response to the reporter's question. Many of them say, "why ask the question in the first place"? I'll tell you why....for the exact same reason in the Sandusky case. If KF IS a man of integrity, then it begs the question why he would tell football players to avoid this character WITHOUT REPORTING THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM. At least the Gray case isn't as sick as pedophilia, but using your position to gain sexual favors is still pretty gross. And why was he allowed to resign....fire his @ss! I am truly disappointed that the UI is less than transparent in these kinds of cases. +1
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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:16 PM
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perkypete wrote:
doughudd wrote:
RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this?
Wait! How come the reporter did not ask Bluder or the rest of the coaches he was responsible for (women’s basketball, men’s golf and men’s and women’s swimming teams)?
This fall, two coaches requested that Gray’s supervisor not allow him to make a presentation to prospective student-athletes and their parents after the coaches said Gray made inappropriate sexual comments during a previous presentation.
Anybody ask Fran, he might be dirty too? Nah let's go for the guy who's an easy target.
I don't even know why he needed to ask. All the dirt was previously reported in the Iowa Press Citizen story.
http://www.press-citizen.com/a...|text|Frontpage Well Doug, exactly. It was reported in another article that it was KF and the swim coach. And it was former football players in the social media. So that's all we know at this point. That's why KF was asked the question. If it had been basketball players, either men's or women's, I'm sure the question would have been asked of those coaches. The point is that in situations like these, the UI goes into coverup mode leaving those on the outside wondering what the heck is going on there. OK. Well that clears up a lot of questions. If KF told his players that because Grey made an inappropriate comment to recruits and their parents, thats a lot different than KF knowing about previously discussed assaults. I wasnt trying to sound like it was KF's fault or anything. I used his name in my questions because he is the coach in question that this circles around. I'd still like to know how Grey got hired back and that has absolutely nothing to do with KF. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:53 PM
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Hate for the actions of a few to hurt many. But, I wouldn't just sit back and say nothing is going to come of this. The guy sounds like a sicko and who knows what they uncover during the investigation. Remember the media likes blood and the PSU story is stale, on to the next piece. Good luck, because I have a feeling Athletic Directors and Presidents have been losing sleep ever since the PSU sanctions were handed down, there are skeletons in closets. --------------------------------------------- --- drnlaw wrote: underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things. Tom, the big difference here in process is that because Gray's actions did not involve minors, and many of them may not even have been criminal, there was no reporting requirement comparable to the reporting requirements for abuse of children. Additionally, adults are assumed to have more ability and understanding than children do to protect themselves against nonviolent predators. I don't see the procedural failures here as anywhere near comparable to those at Penn State. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:38 PM
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orange11 wrote:
Hate for the actions of a few to hurt many. But, I wouldn't just sit back and say nothing is going to come of this. The guy sounds like a sicko and who knows what they uncover during the investigation. Remember the media likes blood and the PSU story is stale, on to the next piece. Good luck, because I have a feeling Athletic Directors and Presidents have been losing sleep ever since the PSU sanctions were handed down, there are skeletons in closets.
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underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things.
Tom, the big difference here in process is that because Gray's actions did not involve minors, and many of them may not even have been criminal, there was no reporting requirement comparable to the reporting requirements for abuse of children. Additionally, adults are assumed to have more ability and understanding than children do to protect themselves against nonviolent predators.
I don't see the procedural failures here as anywhere near comparable to those at Penn State.
--------------------------------------------- Sure, and I’m not suggesting that nothing will come of it. I’m just disagreeing with the contention by underscoreTom that this is comparable to the Penn State situation. Specific laws were broken by Penn State administrators in failing to report the suspected rape of a child. The things that Gray was doing, while they have no place coming from a college coach or official, were of doubtful reportability under any law, and were in many cases not illegal, as far as we know to this point. Thus it is not that the Iowa situation is not serious; it is just that it does not appear to be remotely as serious as the Penn State situation, either procedurally or substantively. Toledo, Ohio -- Since 1835, defending our northern border against the Heathen Masses of the North. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:23 PM
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perkypete wrote:
doughudd wrote:
RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this?
Wait! How come the reporter did not ask Bluder or the rest of the coaches he was responsible for (women’s basketball, men’s golf and men’s and women’s swimming teams)?
This fall, two coaches requested that Gray’s supervisor not allow him to make a presentation to prospective student-athletes and their parents after the coaches said Gray made inappropriate sexual comments during a previous presentation.
Anybody ask Fran, he might be dirty too? Nah let's go for the guy who's an easy target.
I don't even know why he needed to ask. All the dirt was previously reported in the Iowa Press Citizen story.
http://www.press-citizen.com/a...|text|Frontpage Well Doug, exactly. It was reported in another article that it was KF and the swim coach. And it was former football players in the social media. So that's all we know at this point. That's why KF was asked the question. If it had been basketball players, either men's or women's, I'm sure the question would have been asked of those coaches. The point is that in situations like these, the UI goes into coverup mode leaving those on the outside wondering what the heck is going on there. What's being covered up. The PC story had all the sordid details in the report released. I also don't know why anyone on the outside has any business in knowing other than to have church lady gossip to spread.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:28 PM
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From everything I could gather on Google, it appears Gray is inappropriate, at least. But other than that, it all includes adults. So it is up to the adult to press charges in these situations.
It doesnt excuse the person that hired him. I'm not suggesting that the guy should never get another job but if you are going to take chances on a questionable hire, you have to face the music when it blows up on you.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:35 PM
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It's very simple really. A creepy guy was too friendly with undergraduate coeds and someone complained. There may or may not have been touching, etc. but the fact is that even if that happened, it's not illegal, there is no charge of rape, assault, etc.
Tom is just sad that PSU will forever be in a class of its own when it comes to cover ups.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:44 PM
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UImed17 wrote: It's very simple really. A creepy guy was too friendly with undergraduate coeds and someone complained. There may or may not have been touching, etc. but the fact is that even if that happened, it's not illegal, there is no charge of rape, assault, etc.
Tom is just sad that PSU will forever be in a class of its own when it comes to cover ups. If there was touching and the coed in question wanted to file charges for sexual assault, I'm pretty sure the cops would arrest him. Its illegal. You cant just run around groping anyone you want. There are laws against that very thing. I'm glad I saw your post. Think of all the trouble I just saved you......pervert.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:23 AM
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I agree at this moment the victims seem to be adults. But who knows what happens when they start digging into his past and look at his hard drive. The Sandusky had the college football world along with the state of Pa fooled that he was a saint. I and many people thought when he retired from coaching it was because he was going to focus on a noble act running the Second Mile and look where this got us. At this point in time I have lost my trust in just about everyone and will never take things to chance. We can't afford to not investigate to the fullest extent when ther are accusations. What happened at PSU should be a benchmark to learn going forward to investigate everything whenever there is the slightest allegation. I really hope everything works out for all the Iowa fans because no proud fan base deserves this type of embarrassment. --------------------------------------------- --- drnlaw wrote: orange11 wrote:
Hate for the actions of a few to hurt many. But, I wouldn't just sit back and say nothing is going to come of this. The guy sounds like a sicko and who knows what they uncover during the investigation. Remember the media likes blood and the PSU story is stale, on to the next piece. Good luck, because I have a feeling Athletic Directors and Presidents have been losing sleep ever since the PSU sanctions were handed down, there are skeletons in closets.
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underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things.
Tom, the big difference here in process is that because Gray's actions did not involve minors, and many of them may not even have been criminal, there was no reporting requirement comparable to the reporting requirements for abuse of children. Additionally, adults are assumed to have more ability and understanding than children do to protect themselves against nonviolent predators.
I don't see the procedural failures here as anywhere near comparable to those at Penn State.
--------------------------------------------- Sure, and I’m not suggesting that nothing will come of it. I’m just disagreeing with the contention by underscoreTom that this is comparable to the Penn State situation. Specific laws were broken by Penn State administrators in failing to report the suspected rape of a child. The things that Gray was doing, while they have no place coming from a college coach or official, were of doubtful reportability under any law, and were in many cases not illegal, as far as we know to this point. Thus it is not that the Iowa situation is not serious; it is just that it does not appear to be remotely as serious as the Penn State situation, either procedurally or substantively. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:50 AM
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underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things. If you believe these statements, you are a fool. You're also banned. Stay on the Penn State site. Bye-bye.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:52 AM
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RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this? Questions from reporters to Ferentz concerning Gray were stupid. Remember?
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:53 AM
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doughudd wrote:
perkypete wrote:
doughudd wrote:
RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this?
Wait! How come the reporter did not ask Bluder or the rest of the coaches he was responsible for (women’s basketball, men’s golf and men’s and women’s swimming teams)?
This fall, two coaches requested that Gray’s supervisor not allow him to make a presentation to prospective student-athletes and their parents after the coaches said Gray made inappropriate sexual comments during a previous presentation.
Anybody ask Fran, he might be dirty too? Nah let's go for the guy who's an easy target.
I don't even know why he needed to ask. All the dirt was previously reported in the Iowa Press Citizen story.
http://www.press-citizen.com/a...|text|Frontpage Well Doug, exactly. It was reported in another article that it was KF and the swim coach. And it was former football players in the social media. So that's all we know at this point. That's why KF was asked the question. If it had been basketball players, either men's or women's, I'm sure the question would have been asked of those coaches. The point is that in situations like these, the UI goes into coverup mode leaving those on the outside wondering what the heck is going on there. What's being covered up. The PC story had all the sordid details in the report released. I also don't know why anyone on the outside has any business in knowing other than to have church lady gossip to spread. I would argue that the public, being taxpayers and citizens, would have a right to know of any kind of wrongdoing and scandalous behavior that is going on at a public univeristy and what if anything is being done about that situation. Its not like this is going on behind private doors of a private residence. This behavior was going on with a public employee on the campus/property of a public school and evidently, was either being overlooked or not being dealt with. The public has the right to know about this and to demand change and accountablility. 
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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:51 PM
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RobHowe wrote:
RJSimmons wrote: Wait. Did Kirk Ferentz tell his players to avoid Grey BEFORE this latest incident that caused Grey's resignation (last week or two)????
Now I'm starting to understand Why that reporter asked the question. Can anyone confirm this?
If so, WHEN did KF tell his players this? Questions from reporters to Ferentz concerning Gray were stupid.
Remember? That's not fair. I admitted in the thread you are referencing, that I misunderstood the situation. So the fact that you are bringing that up now, is disingenuous. It's nice to see that you can stoop down and wallow in the mud with the rest of us, though. I always knew you had it in you.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:36 PM
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RJSimmons wrote: From everything I could gather on Google, it appears Gray is inappropriate, at least. But other than that, it all includes adults. So it is up to the adult to press charges in these situations.
It doesnt excuse the person that hired him. I'm not suggesting that the guy should never get another job but if you are going to take chances on a questionable hire, you have to face the music when it blows up on you. You'd be surprised how easy it is for guys like this and others to float from one job to another after wearing out their welcome. If you haven't seen them where you work you are luck. I seen a few, like large scale theft and selling goods on ebay, vendor kick backs for buying products and some who only show up for work a few hours a day. It may take years but they get caught. But you always hear how so-and-so found another job somewhere else. |
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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:46 PM
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Disingenuous?
Here?
Never.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:48 PM
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RobHowe wrote:
underscoreTom wrote: This is a nearly identical situation to what led to PSU's NCAA sanctions, if not worse. Obviously the crimes aren't nearly as severe, but even Mark Emmert said it wasn't the crime that led to the sanctions, it was how PSU handled things. If you believe these statements, you are a fool. You're also banned. Stay on the Penn State site. Bye-bye. Thank you Rob. I was just about to post something about this tool and the ridiculous rantings about Iowa over on the Penn State message board. And to think he is a moderator over there.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:04 PM
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I let it ride for awhile because of the FOS avatar but to try to draw a parallel between the two cases in any way is asinine and it ain't going to fly on here.
End of story.
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