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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:09 PM
Is JVB so bad
That we changed our game plan to short passes at or behind the line of scrimmage to give him a better chance of completing the pass?
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:16 PM
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he has yet to prove he can actually throw above the knees for 2 passes in a row when throwing past the line of scrimmage.
they (coaches) fear the corners who jump the routes due to him locking on to the receiver from the start of the play. you can read EVERYTHING he does. if we can see that, the defense surely knows where he's going to throw so this way you minimize the damage somewhat with less risk.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:36 PM
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look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:40 PM
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hawkinarkansas wrote: look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it. somewhat, but even when he has someone "stretching the field," he throws too low, too wide, too high, too everything else but TO THE RECEIVER. last year was a fluke for that kid. feel bad for him.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:48 PM
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kungfuyou wrote:
hawkinarkansas wrote: look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it. somewhat, but even when he has someone "stretching the field," he throws too low, too wide, too high, too everything else but TO THE RECEIVER.
last year was a fluke for that kid.
feel bad for him. i would think a full season of decent play is less fluke and more representative of talent at some level. many of us, me included, felt he had an opportunity to be all big this year. his confidence is gone and the talent around him is average on good days. |
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:51 PM
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He did very good last year and a lot of us were excited about this year...it's a combination of a lot of things...however you can see he has happy feet in the pocket...he made a good play of avoiding the sack and had plenty of time to survey the receivers and over threw his intended man...does the play always go short? Or does it have multiple patterns for him to choose? I would hope he would get to choose his receiver...he doesn't look as good as last year but there are times he makes good throws...and other times not sure why he throws it...
Is he so bad...no...should KF use Ruddock more? Yes...is he B1 calliber? He sure showed us last year he could be...so then you say is it coaching?
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:51 AM
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Is it just me or does anyone else notice that JVB has not looked comfortable throwing the ball almost all season, he has tended to lock onto the primary receiver and throw the ball regardless and taken numerous sacks when he has had the opportunity to throw the ball away.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that his receivers are amongst the slowest in the conference, that his receivers have dropped numerous catchable balls, his receivers continue to misread plays and fail to make route adjustments as needed and that there has been instability on the offensive line due to injury and his line struggles to hold blocks.
It is just me or does anyone else notice that the coaching staff fails to make needed adjustments within the game (e.g. how many times are you going to send everyone out on patterns with the defense is blitzing), the coaching staff play calling has been terrible (e.g. I will acknowledge that we have mastered the two yard pass) and the coaching staff appears to be sticking to a game plan that does not play to strengths of the players you have.
I guess my point is this...JVB has not played up to his potential and/or expectations. I think he would admit that he is disappointed in his play. However, there is more going on than just the quarterback play stinks. There are several parties that are underperforming and need to look in the mirror and ask the question of "what do I need to do different to help this team win".
Last edited 11/11/2012 6:52 AM by 1964Cards
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:03 AM
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If the engine is clunking along, it may be that a part is missing or not properly aligned. We should have been giving another QB a series or two during the last 4 or 5 games. Yesterday at the press conference KF said we lost the game because we played a bad first half. Then why "reward" the leader by putting him back out there in the 2nd half? It would have been perfectly appropriate to start the 2nd team QB on the first series of the 3rd quarter. If the Offense clicked, the team would respond. If it did not, then there was still a lot of time on the clock and JVB would have been vindicated and have a lot of pressure removed from his shoulders coming off the bench.
It just seems like KF is playing a battle of wills against the fans (i.e. I am going to do it my way no matter the destructive cost v. you fans are suppose to just cheer with your eyes closed) instead of concentrating on winning football games.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:20 AM
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JVB has clearly regressed from last year. Maybe he is having problems with the Davis offense or something, but it has wrecked his confidence. I don't know the reasons but maybe that's not the important thing. One thing I do know is that KF is clearly at fault for not taking him out, at least for a while, and playing a backup. Play after play, series after series, and game after game of less than mediocre quarterbacking has clearly ruined his confidence!
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:23 AM
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hawkinarkansas wrote: look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it. Would sure like to know what caused JVB to play like a Sr last season and like a Fr this season. |
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:08 AM
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Lots of issues, but two things stick out to me - his inability to see the field and lock onto a receiver, and his unwillingness to step up int the pocket to avoid the rush. For whatever reason, he stands right in the midst of rush from the DE's, instead of stepping up and gaining an extra second or so.
On the 4th and 3 yesterday, CF was open five yards down the field - not alot, but at least a yard separation - which is plenty on a five yard pass. JVB chose to throw a one yard pass to a covered, third string tight end. |
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:15 AM
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geno9 wrote:
hawkinarkansas wrote: look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it.
Would sure like to know what caused JVB to play like a Sr last season and like a Fr this season. KOK?
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:57 AM
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At least there is no worry about him being drafted and getting into the nasty world of the NFL. You know... why would he ever want to be placed into a position where he would be weighed and measured by numbers, statistics, wins/losses ... etc...  "Know your role and shut your mouth because the People's Champ is ready to talk!"
Last edited 11/11/2012 8:58 AM by Hawks31fan
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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:05 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Hawks31fan wrote: At least there is no worry about him being drafted and getting into the nasty world of the NFL. You know... why would he ever want to be placed into a position where he would be weighed and measured by numbers, statistics, wins/losses ... etc... --------------------------------------------- Too bad he is not NFL material because KF might have gone as his agent. Let's see what Rudock can do!
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Posted: 11/11/2012 11:59 AM
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The tendency is to focus on the ball--which is in JVB hands. Watch the OL. Performing in anonymity the OL can make any QB look very good or very bad. At the beginning of the season the OL run-blocking was better than average; pass blocking below average. Then the loss of Scherff and Donnal magnified the problem because run-blocking suffered leading to opposing defenses increasingly disregarding the play action and coming strong in numbers through the line. Saturday, JVB often had about 1-2 seconds after snap before the defense was on him; Marve for Purdue had about 3-4 seconds and often times more. Still and all it could be that JVB is simply having a bad senior year, but it is inconclusive given the performance of the OL as well as an inordinate number of dropped passes by receivers.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 12:07 PM
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geno9 wrote:
hawkinarkansas wrote: look at what he did last year, this is clearly an issue of confidence and not having anyone be able to stretch the field. cotton has great vertical speed but is not utilized enought to exploit it.
Would sure like to know what caused JVB to play like a Sr last season and like a Fr this season. Mcnutt padded JVB's stats last year. Not having that caliber of receiver to go has mentally wrecked JVB IMO. He fears the blitz and panics way to often thus throwing all the short balls. The kid is not giving the offense any chance at success playing like he fears for his life every passing down.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 12:26 PM
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The best thing to do for JVB - and for the team as a whole - would be to sit his ass down! Give him a chance to refocus. Take some of the pressure off. At this point the next man in can only be AS BAD AS JVB. Can't get worse. Good chance he could be a shard better. This whole situation is just stupefying  |
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:42 PM
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Thank you for this information. I asked the same question on another thread. I hate seeing all these short passes like that one yesterday, but wondered if it was entirely an issue with the play call or JVB throwing the easy toss to a receiver right in front of him, rather than the "risk" of throwing down the field. Right or wrong, Stanzi would have thrown that freaking ball down the field and there would have been more throws down the field all year. No doubt he would have had more int's, but he wasn't afraid to make a mistake or take a risk. Gotta take some risks! PostHaste wrote:Lots of issues, but two things stick out to me - his inability to see the field and lock onto a receiver, and his unwillingness to step up int the pocket to avoid the rush. For whatever reason, he stands right in the midst of rush from the DE's, instead of stepping up and gaining an extra second or so.
On the 4th and 3 yesterday, CF was open five yards down the field - not alot, but at least a yard separation - which is plenty on a five yard pass. JVB chose to throw a one yard pass to a covered, third string tight end. GO HAWKS!
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:46 PM
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Have to add... and I think everyone can agree, we'd all love to see JVB do well. He's a good kid and as far as anyone of us know, works hard and deserves any success he has on or off the field. But for whatever reason, it just ain't happening this year... feel bad for him, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
GO HAWKS!
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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:09 AM
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Have to add... and I think everyone can agree, we'd all love to see JVB do well. He's a good kid and as far as anyone of us know, works hard and deserves any success he has on or off the field. But for whatever reason, it just ain't happening this year... feel bad for him, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
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I blame KF for making him play every down this year. It seems that KF is so obtuse that he doesn't realize that for his own confiidence and self-esteem, JVB needs a rest.
Let's see what Rudock can do!
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