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If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:42 AM
If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
FBS, Fewest Pass TD Thru Team’s First 9 Games – Since 1996 (Minimum 300 Attempts) Year Player, Team Pass TD Attempts 2012 James Vandenberg, Iowa 4 303 1996 Carl Dean, San Jose State 6 308 2007 Bret Meyer, Iowa State 6 316 2008 Kevin Craft, UCLA 7 328 2010 Garrett Gilbert, Texas 7 351 2011 Sean Renfree, Duke 7 334
*Greg Davis hits the list twice as the OC for both James Vandenberg & Garrett Gilbert
If this donkey's contract is renewed then Kirk Ferentz will of officially told Iowa fans he is just here to collect a paycheck and isn't the least bit concerned with winning games.
Last edited 11/7/2012 3:01 PM by regalhawk
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:48 AM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Yeah, aint happening. Ferentz has never fired a coach at Iowa. Turnover has been due to departures and retirement. I have already determined Ferentz is just collecting a paycheck due to his 14-year record of stubbornness, playing seniors over more talented players, refusal to adapt to the current game of college football, and snarky/arrogant remarks in press conferences. Holding on to Greg Davis won't prove anything more than we already know.
The top Ferentz Appologist excuse:
"Look what happened when we forced Tom Davis out"
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:12 PM
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Snarky PC's? What? ;)
My favorite is when a reporter comes close to asking a tough question but has tap danced around it enough to make it difficult to answer. That's always followed by a "not sure I'm following you" from KF. When we all know that KF is following along just fine.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:20 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Maybe KF will promote Brian to OC and let James coach the OL as a grad assistant. Mary Ferentz could coach the QBs.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:31 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Hopefully she doesn't have any buns in the oven.... RJSimmons wrote: Maybe KF will promote Brian to OC and let James coach the OL as a grad assistant. Mary Ferentz could coach the QBs. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:19 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
regalhawk wrote: FBS, Fewest Pass TD Thru Team’s First 9 Games – Since 1996 (Minimum 300 Attempts) Year Player, Team Pass TD Attempts 2012 James Vandenberg, Iowa 4 303 1996 Carl Dean, San Jose State 6 308 2007 Bret Meyer, Iowa State 6 316 2008 Kevin Craft, UCLA 7 328 2010 Garrett Gilbert, Texas 7 351 2011 Sean Renfree, Duke 7 334
*Greg Davis hits the list twice as the OC for both James Vandenberg & Garrett Gilbert
If this donkey's contract is renewed then Kirk Ferentz will of officially told Iowa fans he is here just to collect a paycheck and isn't the least bit concerned with winning games.
If you think Greg Davis is the entire problem with the Iowa offense, then you don't understand what you are looking at. Iowa is suffering from a lack of talent. Be it undeveloped or inexperienced. Don't believe me? Name one starter on this years offense that could have started for Iowa during one of the best years... 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009. Just one. Yeah, I couldn't either.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:56 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Great theory but in case you didn't notice TWO different QB's under Greg Davis appear on this list. Was a lack of talent at Texas the issue also?
Perhaps you don't understand what you are looking at?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:34 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
I don't believe 100% in Greg Davis but he doesn't have very good talent at QB, WR, TE, young O-line that's injured, and a very hurt backfield. If I were Greg Davis I wouldn't be very happy with my play calling either but what exactly can you call with no talent?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:07 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
I think it's pretty obvious the talent isn't very good. The level of competition we've played is almost as bad. Given that, isn't it reasonable to expect that we could be performing at a higher level even without the best of personnel?
You're kidding yourself if you think the system is not equally, if not more, to blame for our wretched performance this year.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:15 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
YoureATowel wrote: I don't believe 100% in Greg Davis but he doesn't have very good talent at QB, WR, TE, young O-line that's injured, and a very hurt backfield. If I were Greg Davis I wouldn't be very happy with my play calling either but what exactly can you call with no talent? Regardless of talent a good O coord. has got to at least threaten to stretch the field. Vberg has not been very good thus far but he did throw for over 3gs last season. 3g passing yards is more than a fluke. There are many offenses around the country putting up good yardage with equal or lesser talent. I don't think it's all on Greg Davis but this is most definitely on the coaching/scheme overall.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 7:32 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
those stats were for the season Iowa has a minumim of 3 games left
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Posted: 11/7/2012 7:45 PM
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those stats were for the season Iowa has a minumim of 3 games left
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It says very clearly through the first 9 games dumbass. We all know you can't type but apparently you can't read either.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 7:55 PM
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regalhawk wrote: Great theory but in case you didn't notice TWO different QB's under Greg Davis appear on this list. Was a lack of talent at Texas the issue also?
Perhaps you don't understand what you are looking at? How is Gilbert doing now that Davis is no longer scewing him up? |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:07 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
So KOK gets 13 years and Davis gets one? Sorry, that makes no sense. Give him two years, if he can't get the offense going then yes, replace him. But another coach that should be on the hot seat is Coach Campbell. His receivers can't get open and they can't catch. That is a big problem. And ever notice that Steve Staggs is always a number two on the depth-chart but never sees the field? The man has hands of velcro but Campbell won't play him. Why?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:50 PM
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Staggs is a RS senior. Do you really think he has been overlooked for 5 years? |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:19 PM
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pook911 wrote: Hopefully she doesn't have any buns in the oven....
RJSimmons wrote: Maybe KF will promote Brian to OC and let James coach the OL as a grad assistant. Mary Ferentz could coach the QBs. She's a little old for that, I think. P.S. No offense, Mary. |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:48 AM
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hawkytalk wrote: Staggs is a RS senior. Do you really think he has been overlooked for 5 years? Yes, pretty much so. Playing behind MMcN last couple of years, behind DJK, last year behind Davis also, who had lofty expectations. See Staggs as very similar skills to Stross and Sandeman. Who can get open? Then catch the ball? Receiving 101, seems to me. With the mediocre performance by Davis especially this year, and troubles by Shumpert, even KMM (less so) think a rotation that gets Staggs onto the field would not hurt, especially if he does have good hands - and can get open. Fred Biletnikoff was all time slowest NFL WR way back when, but really did know how to get open. Don Maynard was another WR with less than blazing speed, but check the record books for both. Just sayin.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:39 AM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
redhawk55 wrote: those stats were for the season Iowa has a minumim of 3 games left     |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:38 PM
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Davis is only in his first year. He should be a lot better next year. I'm sure he isn't that acqauinted with coaching guys less talented than the texas guys though. The offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator are going to do what the head coach wants. Norm Parker was a gifted defensive coordinator that was able to thrive in the system. I think Iowa has some good coaches, but not great ones like Norm Parker. I think ferentz probably owes Norm Parker about forty million dollars. His son will probably make millions indirectly off of Norm Parkers abilities too.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:37 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Tierney wrote: I think Iowa has some good coaches, but not great ones like Norm Parker. I think ferentz probably owes Norm Parker about forty million dollars. His son will probably make millions indirectly off of Norm Parkers abilities too. If you are saying that Phil is Norm's son...you would be wrong. If you aren't then I don't know what you are talking about...please elaborate.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:26 PM
Re: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
Well I think KF needs to let the leash off the coordinators
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:28 PM
RE: If Greg Davis is renewed it should be open season on Ferentz
You guys wanted Ken O'Keefe gone for years. You got it.
Predictably, you are now on to the next scapegoat.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:57 PM
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buckeyesbuck wrote: You guys wanted Ken O'Keefe gone for years. You got it.
Predictably, you are now on to the next scapegoat. Yes. We did and I dont want him back. Buckeye fans are no different. Who will you blame now that Bollman's gone, when the OLine is under performing? Is Fickel still the latest scapegoat on Hineygate? |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 7:49 PM
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at this point, i want ken okeefe back :( he was a spread offense guru, but was never allowed to showcase it (outside the miraculous comeback against PITT) because KF overruled him.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:00 PM
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I'd rather KF join KOK in the NFL, than have KOK back. KF will still coach in the same gutless style, with or without KOK. So, all things being equal, I'd rather not paint the offensive coordinator with the brush of responsibility for how this team is playing.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:18 PM
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I'm talking about ferentzs son. Its amazing how many people are coming out and blaming the players, the athletic director, the offensive line coach, and the defensive line coach, but not realizing how lousy a coach ferentz really is. Do you really think he shook up his coaching staff and hired his son for the best interest of Iowa football? It doesn't take much to realize that during ferentz time as head coach the good teams he has had was when there was a healthy Norm Parker. How many coaches have notre dame and michigan gone through trying to find a winner? The only thing that has been great in Iowa football since ferentz has been their is the Norm Parker defenses.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:59 PM
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Tierney wrote: I'm talking about ferentzs son. Its amazing how many people are coming out and blaming the players, the athletic director, the offensive line coach, and the defensive line coach, but not realizing how lousy a coach ferentz really is. Do you really think he shook up his coaching staff and hired his son for the best interest of Iowa football? It doesn't take much to realize that during ferentz time as head coach the good teams he has had was when there was a healthy Norm Parker. How many coaches have notre dame and michigan gone through trying to find a winner? The only thing that has been great in Iowa football since ferentz has been their is the Norm Parker defenses. ok, gotcha.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:29 PM
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If Chip Kelly was the OC at Iowa it would still look the same as it does now. Has nothing to do with Greg Davis or Phil Parker (not Norm's son). This is KF's doing plan and simple. I would be as good as Greg Davis or KOK. Nick Saban could be on the sideline as the DC. It doesn't matter who is "calling the plays" cause KF is calling the plays.
Last edited 11/9/2012 8:30 AM by elwoodz2323
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Posted: 11/10/2012 3:10 PM
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If that 4th and 3 call behind the sticks to a backup TE isn't the nail in the coffin and Ferentz brings this guy back he will be seeing me at Carlos O'Kellys next year.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 3:13 PM
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Davis was horrible at Texas. Not sure why they hired him and said so at the time.
On Wisconsin!
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Posted: 11/10/2012 3:38 PM
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I don't know how good Davis really is, but he would have a lot of football connections. There might be a young up and coming offensive line coach that could use more football connections.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 3:51 PM
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I think Davis was the safest choice that KF could find. A yes man, that will do things exactly how KF wants them done.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 4:34 PM
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For those of you that were after KOK's head a year ago...how do you like him now?
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Posted: 11/10/2012 4:54 PM
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NASHVILLEHAWKEYE wrote: For those of you that were after KOK's head a year ago...how do you like him now? I don't...KOK had to go...KF hired the wrong man...but let's see next year...but the O is inept and needs some receivers to go down field. |
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Posted: 11/10/2012 5:24 PM
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Who cares about Greg Davis? Barta and Ferentz first, both the Monday after this season is over. Find the money. I don't care where.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 6:19 PM
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It's at least possible that those of you who wanted O'Keefe fired were morons.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 6:32 PM
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buckeyesbuck wrote: It's at least possible that those of you who wanted O'Keefe fired were morons. Too funny it's possible but ummm it's definate you are! Go back to your Ohiwhole... |
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Posted: 11/10/2012 6:39 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- pook911 wrote: Hopefully she doesn't have any buns in the oven.... RJSimmons wrote: Maybe KF will promote Brian to OC and let James coach the OL as a grad assistant. Mary Ferentz could coach the QBs. --------------------------------------------- I wish I could 5 star this post. Best post I have seen in a while |
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Posted: 11/11/2012 11:54 AM
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KF was allowed to hire Davis due to the short time before 2012-13 season started; I believe Davis was allowed a 1-year agreement which expires after the last game ths season...perhaps in two weeks. When finished, according to equal opportunity rules, KF must begin the OC again...however, that will not necessarily result in a new OC as I cannot see KF making another change, rather give an additional year as earlier opined. My hope is that KF has the will to find an OC who has progressed with the college game and allows that person to use ingenuity.
Morgan will get the hang of D-line manuevers, no worries; the B Ferentz hire may be considered Nepotism, but give him a couple of years with healthy players, we'll be pleased; Woods is developing a group of fleet head-hunters...the issue is Phil Parker. He seems unable to conceptualize the entire picture...he works in secular windows and is unable to put things together cohesively. When Norm was unavailable, Phil was the substitute and the defensive play calls were sub-par to poor and opponents took advantage of Phil's lack of insight and preparation...and Phil has continued his mediocre performance and improvement will not occur.
KF must replace Davis and Parker, bring in new blood with ingenuity then demonstrate that he, KF, is one of the best head coaches in the college game by allowing the new, as well as existing coaches, the opportunity to develop, train and coach...and he be their coordinator.
If KF does not seize the opportunity, he sends the message that his vision, goals and ego are paramount to the program desires echoed by alumni, fans in general and, eventually, sponsors.
I am an alum, a true Hawkeye who sat through many a woeful game 1969 through 1973 and many years thereafter...it saddens me to see a return to those days when we referred to Saturday home games as "The Toilet Bowl"...just another crappy game....unfortunately, we seem to have that experience once again.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:00 PM
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No matter who KF has for an OC the offense will always look like it does now and has looked the past 14 years. This is the KF offense.
As the late great Colonel Sanders once said: "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken." Ricky Bobby
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