floridahawk wrote: Good point about taking JVB out. I have often thought that taking him out for at least a quarter, even early in the season, would have been a good thing. First of all, you temporarily stop JVB's confidence slide which has been out of control since the beginning of the season. Secondly, JVB would realize that our whole season doesn't rest entirely on his shoulders. Lastly, we would get our backup the experience "just in case". Come on KF, playing Rudock is way overdue!

USCGHawkfan wrote: Rudock sucks.

redhawk55 wrote: and who's to say Rudock a RSFR is ready to play?
Sokol is RS'ing, Beathard is RS'ing, who else is KF supposed to list as the #2?
Derby was the #2 as a RSFR and now he is gone.
I guess he could list Weinke but he is a punter and the holder on extra points and FG'S

BiRDS wrote:

redhawk55 wrote: and who's to say Rudock a RSFR is ready to play?
Sokol is RS'ing, Beathard is RS'ing, who else is KF supposed to list as the #2?
Derby was the #2 as a RSFR and now he is gone.
I guess he could list Weinke but he is a punter and the holder on extra points and FG'S

 ummm...yeah KF is going to say...man JVB isn't cutting it...so who's next...let's see...there's Rudock my #2...no...he's not ready...dang Sokol isn't available or I would use him...I don't have a choice I'm going to have to put in Weinke...WEINKE go play QB for us because our #2 listed QB isn't ready...

LOLOLOLOLOL...where do you come up with this stuff Red Herbie?

USCGHawkfan wrote: When I post that Rudock sucks, it's pure speculation that many of you are posting that Rudock should be playing because Vandy isn't playing well.

The season is not over yet. Yes I wish Rudock would get more playing time but if Vandy gives the team the best chance to win then why not keep the better of the two on the field?

So I posted about Rudock just to prove a point about speculation. I, like all of you, do not know how Rudock would do but I have to trust the coaching staff about their personnel.

The whole team, not just Vandenburg, is struggling.

floridahawk wrote:

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--- USCGHawkfan wrote:

When I post that Rudock sucks, it's pure speculation that many of you are posting that Rudock should be playing because Vandy isn't playing well.

The season is not over yet. Yes I wish Rudock would get more playing time but if Vandy gives the team the best chance to win then why not keep the better of the two on the field?

So I posted about Rudock just to prove a point about speculation. I, like all of you, do not know how Rudock would do but I have to trust the coaching staff about their personnel.

The whole team, not just Vandenburg, is struggling.

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I am glad to hear that there was no real basis for your "Rudock sucks" comment. BTW, there are many from the top high schools in Florida as well as elite programs including Dallas Texas Skyline, Camden County Georgia, Columbus Ohio UpperArlington, and Byrnes in Duncan, SC who would also disagree with your assessment of him!

redhawk55 wrote:

BiRDS wrote:

redhawk55 wrote: and who's to say Rudock a RSFR is ready to play?
Sokol is RS'ing, Beathard is RS'ing, who else is KF supposed to list as the #2?
Derby was the #2 as a RSFR and now he is gone.
I guess he could list Weinke but he is a punter and the holder on extra points and FG'S

 ummm...yeah KF is going to say...man JVB isn't cutting it...so who's next...let's see...there's Rudock my #2...no...he's not ready...dang Sokol isn't available or I would use him...I don't have a choice I'm going to have to put in Weinke...WEINKE go play QB for us because our #2 listed QB isn't ready...

LOLOLOLOLOL...where do you come up with this stuff Red Herbie?

oh wait Iforgotn byou don't or can't think on your own and sit up nights hoping JVB gets seriosly gets hurt
oh by the way try checking the ISP# they are different as I had a discussion about this on another site and he looked it up and found that out.
you can change names, your email address but not your ISP #. so sorry I can't help you out with your erie fixation on this herbie fellow

hawkfan1983 wrote: Maybe Ruddock and his family dont care. He came thinking he wouldnt be the starter until next year anyway. Either way he still has the ability to be a 3 year starter. For the people that say he doesnt have or its apparent hes not the starter next year. I would be shocked if hes not the guy next year if hes not oh well but I would be shocked. I love his short quick release from the ear hole not winding up like JVB and his footwork looks good when I saw him. The only thing I dont understand is the not giving him any of them any playing time when they are way up or way behind. I would love to see some of these freshmen recievers and Ruddock get there feet wet. Next year it could be like Tates SR year zero experience  wideout.

DP5555 wrote: Ok fellas there is no point arguing about this. All I ask is this:

What are they risking by giving Rudock playing time?

Now everyone will have their own answer to that question, but here's mine. I don't think there is anything to lose. Even if Rudock plays poorly it can't get much worse than what we've seen out of JVB. Plus Rudock has a legitimate shot to be the guy next year so you're getting him some very valuable playing time, not to mention in game cohesion with future members of the offensive line and receiving core.

My biggest concern if Ferentz doesn't let Rudock see the field is he and his family will decide to go elsewhere. Honestly, I wouldn't blame him one bit. He's on a team where the guy getting the nod in front of him has played horrible football and he hasn't even been given a shot to show what he can do. Not one gosh darn shot. Not even in a blowout loss to PSU. Heck, I don't care if he looks like crap in practice. I'm assuming if he's #2 on the depth chart he's our next best option. So let's see what he can do in a live game situation. It isn't going to hurt anything. JVB is a big boy. He knows darn well he isn't producing at the level he's expected to. God forbid you give another kid a chance.

siouxcitydave wrote:

DP5555 wrote: Ok fellas there is no point arguing about this. All I ask is this:

What are they risking by giving Rudock playing time?

Now everyone will have their own answer to that question, but here's mine. I don't think there is anything to lose. Even if Rudock plays poorly it can't get much worse than what we've seen out of JVB. Plus Rudock has a legitimate shot to be the guy next year so you're getting him some very valuable playing time, not to mention in game cohesion with future members of the offensive line and receiving core.

My biggest concern if Ferentz doesn't let Rudock see the field is he and his family will decide to go elsewhere. Honestly, I wouldn't blame him one bit. He's on a team where the guy getting the nod in front of him has played horrible football and he hasn't even been given a shot to show what he can do. Not one gosh darn shot. Not even in a blowout loss to PSU. Heck, I don't care if he looks like crap in practice. I'm assuming if he's #2 on the depth chart he's our next best option. So let's see what he can do in a live game situation. It isn't going to hurt anything. JVB is a big boy. He knows darn well he isn't producing at the level he's expected to. God forbid you give another kid a chance.

Largely agree with all here.  My only addition - team risks virtually nothing just letting JR go in for just one series if not more. Three handoffs to RBs.  Nothing else.  Just that one small act would have morale & motivational effect on entire team, especially on JVB once he comes back in. 

Absolutely nothing to lose.

rjhindm wrote: I am ok with Playing Rudock under one condition...


We can complain about him...and say that Sokol should be playing...

8then88 wrote:

rjhindm wrote: I am ok with Playing Rudock under one condition...


We can complain about him...and say that Sokol should be playing...

There is a big difference between playing a Freshman and he makes mistakes and a 5th year Senior that has only thrown 3TDs through 8 games and has made a ton of mistakes.

rjhindm wrote:

8then88 wrote:

rjhindm wrote: I am ok with Playing Rudock under one condition...


We can complain about him...and say that Sokol should be playing...

There is a big difference between playing a Freshman and he makes mistakes and a 5th year Senior that has only thrown 3TDs through 8 games and has made a ton of mistakes.

Wont keep 90% of people on these boards from calling for his back up.

hawksrulerestdrool wrote: redhawk55, every time I see your posts I envision someone on crank typing 1000 words per minute and missing a word here, a word there. Is your keyboard constantly over heating? Use spell check.

Rudock won't play. Would be great for KF to shake things up though. I think if Rudock starts or even goes in at some point, you will hear either a huge cheer coming from the crowd or just dead silence from the pure 'awww' moment developing before them.

hawksrulerestdrool wrote: redhawk55, every time I see your posts I envision someone on crank typing 1000 words per minute and missing a word here, a word there. Is your keyboard constantly over heating? Use spell check.

Rudock won't play. Would be great for KF to shake things up though. I think if Rudock starts or even goes in at some point, you will hear either a huge cheer coming from the crowd or just dead silence from the pure 'awww' moment developing before them.

8then88 wrote:

rjhindm wrote: I am ok with Playing Rudock under one condition...


We can complain about him...and say that Sokol should be playing...

There is a big difference between playing a Freshman and he makes mistakes and a 5th year Senior that has only thrown 3TDs through 8 games and has made a ton of mistakes.

SRIAfan wrote: I think our coaches studied hard on the side of loyalty and NOT MOTIVATION. 
I see no reason to say to JVB that "Hey, if you can't hit an open receiver in stride, so that we get some Yards after catch, then we are going to give the young guy a chance.  If that doesnt MOTIVATE JVB, then he should not be at the QB position at all.

At least play Rudock a meaningful series next week. JVB is scared out there.
We're a complete mess on offense; this season is over. At least we're stuck with JVB just for three more games.
JVB has had one great game ('09 OSU), and, blah. Nothing. I don't know if I fault him or the staff for offering him a scholarship to begin with. No starting quarterback at Iowa should be a product of Iowa high school football.

checkers9599 wrote:

At least play Rudock a meaningful series next week. JVB is scared out there.
We're a complete mess on offense; this season is over. At least we're stuck with JVB just for three more games.
JVB has had one great game ('09 OSU), and, blah. Nothing. I don't know if I fault him or the staff for offering him a scholarship to begin with. No starting quarterback at Iowa should be a product of Iowa high school football.