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Posted: 8/20/2012 9:56 AM

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has just released there new rankings. Of note 2)Diamond Deshields 4)Stephanie Mavunga 7)Allisha Gray 16)Jessica Washington... They also have Tyler Scaife @ #17, and Rebecca Greenwell @ #18? Interesting!
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Posted: 8/20/2012 10:33 AM

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These rankings makes our class more impressive than the Hoopgurlz rankings but regardless, we all know we have some impressive ladies coming to join the impressive ladies we already have.
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Posted: 8/20/2012 10:57 AM

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Hoping these two classes can mesh well together!!, for both are very impressive!

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These rankings makes our class more impressive than the Hoopgurlz rankings but regardless, we all know we have some impressive ladies coming to join the impressive ladies we already have.

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Posted: 8/21/2012 1:04 AM

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Well, I would not put too much credence in HG rankings. Rountree was a 53 rank by HG her sr yr. If she is that low, I eat my socks.

Actually, give me 5 Rountree's and I'll beat practically anyone out there. She really is that good.

And, I am looking for N'Dea to be the kind of player this year who will prove another UNC recruit was woefully under-ranked.
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Posted: 8/21/2012 7:43 AM

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Rountree really is a good player, was verry underated!

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Well, I would not put too much credence in HG rankings. Rountree was a 53 rank by HG her sr yr. If she is that low, I eat my socks.

Actually, give me 5 Rountree's and I'll beat practically anyone out there. She really is that good.

And, I am looking for N'Dea to be the kind of player this year who will prove another UNC recruit was woefully under-ranked.

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Posted: 8/21/2012 7:56 AM

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All the rankings services are limited by the players they actually watch. We have to ask ourselves in any given class what the difference between a player say ranked 25th and say a player ranked 5th.

The 2013 class is one of the deepest classes there has ever been talent wise.

I am comfortable that all our recruits for 2013 are legitimate Div 1 players with either all conference or all american potential written all over them. In a conference like the acc that definitely says something.

As far as HG is concerned they I believe are going through a espn directed reorganization. They dont charge fees and have partnered up with a couple of peach state hoops evaluators to help them with the process. They recently closed their msg boards for what I assume was either cost or lack of participation. There is a story here that I dont know and it would be making an assumption on my part.

College coaches are becoming much more sophisticated and imo if a service is wanting to be legitimate and get subscribers they have to be relative accurate. As far as the top 20 or so go all coaches are aware of them but if you are a mid major looking for a pg or post you might rely on them to narrow your choices. What a division 1 team would want info about a top 20 player imo is the intangibles and would they be a good fit in the teams system. If they have a shot before investing a lot in the recruiting process. One thing is certain the womens evaluators though good overall the information available is light years behind the mens.

If I was wanting an accurate evalution of the recruits an average of the services rankings of the recruits might make sense.

What I do like is that we have players that fit our system. At every position we will have a quality player capable of being at least all conference. Stephanie can play the post if needed so can Hillary. The only thing we need for sure is size down low.

If our players and recruits come back from injury we will have a very talented basketball team. Next year we will be young and players like Britany Roundtree Danielle Butts and perhaps Megan Whitney and Latifah if they come back strong will be our junior leaders. Young will be stressed often to begin with imo. We know the learning curve for freshman but we definitely will be talented....we are getting a bit ahead and quite frankly this year will be hard enough to make predictions about much less 2 years out.
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Posted: 8/21/2012 8:13 AM

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Rountree was definitely underrated.....after the top 5 or 10......IMO, the rankings are all about exposure and advocates. Oh, and of course size will always help your ranking. The rankings miss a crucial factor and that is heart. Yet, the emphasis is always size. I would take heart over size anyday. All of the "over" emphasis on strength and conditioning should be reevaluated in womens BB. Don 't get me wrong, I don't want a team of all 5'8" players, but I was so happy to see an "undersized" Texas A&M team win the natty in 2011 -and- beat two much bigger squads. Heart is missed in recruiting. If a "highly" ranked player plays with a AAU team of premiere players, how does that player lead their high school team with a roster of players that attend the school? That's when you see the heart, not in the summer. Rountree had the benefit of playing with her team in high school year round and it shows.

Go Carolina WBB!
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Posted: 8/21/2012 10:48 AM

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I loved the Texas A&M win. I saw Stanford up by 10 in the semis with 4 mins to go and the Aggies turned up the pressure turned them over and came back to win. The Aggie that year lost 3 straight to Baylor before beating them in NCAAs. Unfortunately this has not been the rule.

In NOLA I saw LSU slow it down against us and win by 56-50. The main reason this worked is we had no answer for Sylvia Fowles size. She killed us. L Pringle had a really good game in halfcourt also. Of course we played on LSUs home turf in front of about 17 thou of their fans. LSU had some really good guards also that could of played up tempo so we had a hard time turning them over. LSU really should of beat eventual National Champ Tenn letting them go the length of court in last 3 seconds to hit a layup to lose by 1 in the ff.

How in next several years we answer what top posts in our own conf like EW at Dook and Malina Howard at Maryland bring will go along way to determining how we fare in conference. Of course when you put players like D. Desheilds J Washington Allisha Gray Stephanie M Jamie Cherry and T Cooper on the floor with the ones we already have I like our chances. Also I believe somewhere there is a really good post looking at us.

One way to neuralize a big team is with speed and if there is another team faster than the ones we will have I have not seen them.

To be honest size cannot be coached and because there are so few women 6'4" and over they sometimes get the benefit of the doubt with rankings. I dont like AAU exposure basketball but to be frank a div 1 prospects playing against high school comp is hard to evaluate.

One thing about the Potters house high school girls teams was they traveled all over the country and played a lot of really good hs teams and for players like Britany Roundtree and Attoinette Bannister I am sure it helped. How they missed on Britany and probably on AB is hard to fathom.
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Posted: 8/22/2012 10:29 AM

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ESPN announced back in June that they are shutting down ESPNHS including HG sometime in September, Glenn Nelson who started HG has already left
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Posted: 8/22/2012 11:45 AM

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Well that just sucks. Our pittance of information will now be even more pitiful. They didn't seem to put too much effort into it as it was but something is better than nothing.

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ESPN announced back in June that they are shutting down ESPNHS including HG sometime in September, Glenn Nelson who started HG has already left

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Posted: 8/22/2012 1:04 PM

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I thought that it was the Hoopgurlz message board that "was" shutting down?
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Posted: 8/22/2012 2:27 PM

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In NOLA I saw LSU slow it down against us and win by 56-50. The main reason this worked is we had no answer for Sylvia Fowles size. She killed us. L Pringle had a really good game in halfcourt also. Of course we played on LSUs home turf in front of about 17 thou of their fans.
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Here's the link to the boxscore. I think your crowd estimate is just a few off-
www.goheels.com/ViewContent.db...NTENT_ID=200120

The actual number was 5067.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 7:02 AM

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Hmmm interesting getting called out by a Terp fan. Always wondered what it took to get these guys to come out of hiding/lurking. Although our friend KJ has posted here on a few occasions I believe.

Since the quote was kinda taken out of context and the real emphasis was about the value of size in wcbb and it effect on a recruits ranking... along with how speed can counter size... let me show why I said what I was called out for.

www.lsusports.net/PhotoAlbum.d...mp;PALBID=18173

If you scroll through you will see about all 5000 of those fans still there 30 minutes after the game at the awards ceremony. Boxscores are always right of course.

Maybe it was the way the arena was set up but I watched this game on tv and my initial thought was wow this is not good. All you could see was LSU fans in purple and gold and was something that others who were present at the game said also. Just a little sore spot considering we were the second highest seeded team in the field that year.



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--- acasualfan wrote:

In NOLA I saw LSU slow it down against us and win by 56-50. The main reason this worked is we had no answer for Sylvia Fowles size. She killed us. L Pringle had a really good game in halfcourt also. Of course we played on LSUs home turf in front of about 17 thou of their fans.
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Here's the link to the boxscore. I think your crowd estimate is just a few off-
www.goheels.com/ViewContent.db...NTENT_ID=200120

The actual number was 5067.

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Last edited 8/23/2012 7:25 AM by acasualfan

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Posted: 10/24/2012 7:25 PM

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Latest rankings www.asgrevents.com/426/
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Posted: 10/24/2012 8:04 PM

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In NOLA I saw LSU slow it down against us and win by 56-50. The main reason this worked is we had no answer for Sylvia Fowles size. She killed us. L Pringle had a really good game in halfcourt also. Of course we played on LSUs home turf in front of about 17 thou of their fans.
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Here's the link to the boxscore. I think your crowd estimate is just a few off-
www.goheels.com/ViewContent.db...NTENT_ID=200120

The actual number was 5067.

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Knox would know about misrepresenting attendance, MD has a plan where booster club members buy WBB season tickets that are rarely used. The booster gets points that are good for favorable seating at MBB, and football. There are thousands of unused tickets, they are counted when attendance is announced.
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Posted: 10/24/2012 10:26 PM

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Wow how about Kai James at C?

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--- acasualfan wrote:

In NOLA I saw LSU slow it down against us and win by 56-50. The main reason this worked is we had no answer for Sylvia Fowles size. She killed us. L Pringle had a really good game in halfcourt also. Of course we played on LSUs home turf in front of about 17 thou of their fans.
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Here's the link to the boxscore. I think your crowd estimate is just a few off-
www.goheels.com/ViewContent.db...NTENT_ID=200120

The actual number was 5067.

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Knox would know about misrepresenting attendance, MD has a plan where booster club members buy WBB season tickets that are rarely used. The booster gets points that are good for favorable seating at MBB, and football. There are thousands of unused tickets, they are counted when attendance is announced.

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Posted: 10/25/2012 7:33 AM

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ASGR Blue Star and Peach State are now the predominant recruiting ranking services. They depend on accuracy of their evaluations to sell their products.

One difference of note is that these rankings try to project HS players impact in college. All do extensive research and the difference is geographical sometimes in their ranking ie some see some more midwest or west players and some are more familiar with east coast and North. Club ball has made it easier for the services to see all the players on the same stage hence the rankings are more accurate than they used to be. But some point to affliations affecting rankings. I suspect there is some truth possibly here but if they dont do an accurate job they may be out of business soon. It is easy to see the top tier recruits in these situations but on a club all star team a role player might be real good in certain programs. That is what a lot of colleges are paying for and where these guys bread is buttered. Also Div 1 programs use these guys for early identification ie 6th 7th 8th graders that have star potential to get a leg up on them.

Just from a casual observers view I really dont have a problem with any of them if you realize these are somewhat objective combined with subjective opinions of analysts trained to see what we might not.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 10:26 AM

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Right now Bret McCormick/ASGR is the most fair and well-rounded of the pundits/evaluators out there. Rankings are nothing more than a measuring stick, and an opinion of the observer's of a girl's projection for college, if done properly.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 2:25 PM

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With regard to these latest rankings, I believe I would find a higher than 18 spot for Greenwell. Having seen her and Kai play for USA this summer. I would ventures that Kai's ranking may be based more on potential than performance. The 12 spot seems a little lofty.

And, taking a 2nd look at that box score mentioned above, appears to me contributing most heavily to the loss was Point and Post--combined 15% shooting, but not bashful in putting up 20 shots. They were 3/20.
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