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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:11 AM
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I know this. But I think until this year Scout's 4*+ players were limited to its top 300 list. That is not the case this year. There are 350 players ranked as 4* players. I could be wrong about how Scout has done things in the past but I am pretty sure this is the case.
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Lawrence has been a 4* all along. The ones who should move up are Brian Walker, and possibly Wiggins.
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Scout also seems to have expanded it 4* list beyond the top 300 as Lawrence is a 4* but not in the top 300.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:22 AM
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^That sounds good...especially the part that slipped about North wanting to remain in-state.
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I hope so but I get more of a let-em-down-nicely rather than a slip.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:27 AM
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One more point that might be of interest to some: Scout has increased its traditional number of 4*+ players beyond its top 300 list. Lawrence would have been a 3* last year. But the other rating services rate based on qualities they see not some arbitrary number. 247 has 402 4* players while Rivals has 326. My suspicion is that Scout realized that its way of rating players in the past was somewhat arbitrary, thus the increase in the number of 4* players this year. But there could be some other reason. Maybe they have selected another arbitrary number.
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Lawrence has been a 4* all along. The ones who should move up are Brian Walker, and possibly Wiggins.
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--- sbm75 wrote:
Scout also seems to have expanded it 4* list beyond the top 300 as Lawrence is a 4* but not in the top 300.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:39 AM
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Sounds like the rating services have been observing the grade inflation in Chapel Hill, etc.
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One more point that might be of interest to some: Scout has increased its traditional number of 4*+ players beyond its top 300 list. Lawrence would have been a 3* last year. But the other rating services rate based on qualities they see not some arbitrary number. 247 has 402 4* players while Rivals has 326. My suspicion is that Scout realized that its way of rating players in the past was somewhat arbitrary, thus the increase in the number of 4* players this year. But there could be some other reason. Maybe they have selected another arbitrary number.
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--- Fedoramases wrote:
Lawrence has been a 4* all along. The ones who should move up are Brian Walker, and possibly Wiggins.
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--- sbm75 wrote:
Scout also seems to have expanded it 4* list beyond the top 300 as Lawrence is a 4* but not in the top 300.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:49 AM
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2*,3*,4* or 5* really don't matter if it doesn't translate to the field. Look at UNC basketball team right now.....
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:53 AM
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recency bias? - but this means he could recall the negatives as well as the positives more strongly.
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If it's true that Carl Lawson will be visiting on the 25th than I think that the visit helps us as much as it can. I feel like being the last or one of the last schools a recruit visits gives those teams advantages because it is the last think he thinks about. Unlikely we get him, but I credit Fedora for not shying away from attempting to get a big time recruit.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:55 AM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:31 AM
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Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:32 AM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:34 AM
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I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:34 AM
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I was just about to ask what are the chances Wiggins flips his commitment? I knew he was still visiting schools but I thought his commitment to UNC was firm?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:35 AM
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Great news and I do remember that 2 players may have to go the JUCO route. I saw Taylor as a 2* and Bart as a 3* so that's an upgrade.
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I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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--- AlreadyHome wrote:
Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 12:40 PM
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According to another site with Bart we still will have room for North and 1 more Defensive Player!!!!
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Posted: 1/11/2013 12:43 PM
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Monte Taylor seems to be going JUCO. He has been taken off 247 and Scout's recruiting boards for us (presumably today). I would venture a guess that Bart was specifically recruited today for Taylor's spot. This would appear to leave us with one defensive scholarship and one Marquez North scholarship.
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I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 12:47 PM
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No effect. He replaces Monte Taylor (2*), who is going juco.
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Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 12:52 PM
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Monte Taylor seems to be going JUCO. He has been taken off 247 and Scout's recruiting boards for us (presumably today). I would venture a guess that Bart was specifically recruited today for Taylor's spot. This would appear to leave us with one defensive scholarship and one Marquez North scholarship.
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--- FanaticalHeel wrote:
I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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--- AlreadyHome wrote:
Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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This confirms what I was thinking about yesterday. Lawson/Reed and North/Alston still have two spots earmarked for them, and Taylor's JUCO spot goes to Bart.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:08 PM
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He (Bart) plays like a bull in a china shop www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...v=HuqFpalypq0#!Looks to be a perfect fit for bandit, and can also play inside as well. Very versatile.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:16 PM
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So, we have two scholly's. I know one is for North and the other one would be for defense?
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Monte Taylor seems to be going JUCO. He has been taken off 247 and Scout's recruiting boards for us (presumably today). I would venture a guess that Bart was specifically recruited today for Taylor's spot. This would appear to leave us with one defensive scholarship and one Marquez North scholarship.
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I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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This confirms what I was thinking about yesterday. Lawson/Reed and North/Alston still have two spots earmarked for them, and Taylor's JUCO spot goes to Bart.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:19 PM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:24 PM
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If it's true that Carl Lawson will be visiting on the 25th than I think that the visit helps us as much as it can. I feel like being the last or one of the last schools a recruit visits gives those teams advantages because it is the last think he thinks about. Unlikely we get him, but I credit Fedora for not shying away from attempting to get a big time recruit.
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It's a long shot.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:59 PM
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after seeing the sparse crowd yesterday it may not be that great, especially if we keep losing games at this current rate.
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Maybe they will see it as a chance for football to become the #1 sport???
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Not really excited about those OVs attending our basketball games.
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Meh. They're not there for basketball wins. They're there to see the building that Jordan built and to talk with each other about how awesome it's going to be to play football on the same team together.
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To hear the fans chat their name, to see the game day atmosphere and to see their name come across the big screen.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:09 PM
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Yes sir. The other one would go to the DL, which hopefully consists of Lawson or Adams.
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So, we have two scholly's. I know one is for North and the other one would be for defense?
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Monte Taylor seems to be going JUCO. He has been taken off 247 and Scout's recruiting boards for us (presumably today). I would venture a guess that Bart was specifically recruited today for Taylor's spot. This would appear to leave us with one defensive scholarship and one Marquez North scholarship.
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--- FanaticalHeel wrote:
I think it all depends on Monte Taylor's ability to make the grades needed to come here. If he can't make it, then Bart is just filling his scholarship (which is great for UNC). If Taylor does make it, then that means there is one spot left open for UNC to fill, and that will likely be given to North first and foremost. We shouldn't root against Taylor to make the grades, but in the best interest of UNC and their scholarship limitations, it would be best for us that Mikey Bart is just taking Monte Taylor's spot in this class.
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--- AlreadyHome wrote:
Now that Bart has switched his commitment from USF to UNC and is a DE, how does that effect Lawson's visit or possible commitment, if any at all?
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This confirms what I was thinking about yesterday. Lawson/Reed and North/Alston still have two spots earmarked for them, and Taylor's JUCO spot goes to Bart.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:13 PM
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Since we got Bart, I am changing my final prediction for this class. I strongly believe we end up getting North and either Lawson or Wilkins!!!!! (I think Reed might have to prep, or I would pick him and North.)
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Posted: 1/12/2013 9:40 AM
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True enough but you really have not said much here. The significance of ratings is the difference between correlation and causation. Huge difference between saying all 4* players will be successful and the probability is that a 4* recruit will outperform a 3* recruit. Give me a team of 4* recruits any day and I will feel very comfortable saying 8 out of ten times my team will be better than your 3* team.
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2*,3*,4* or 5* really don't matter if it doesn't translate to the field. Look at UNC basketball team right now.....
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Posted: 1/12/2013 11:20 AM
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2*,3*,4* or 5* really don't matter if it doesn't translate to the field. Look at UNC basketball team right now.....
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horrible analogy.
the basketball team is struggling due to youth and physical immaturity, not due to lack of talent.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 5:31 PM
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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:40 AM
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as bad as we need DB help, we have to keep this kid in the fold. --------------------------------------------- --- HeelinBoone wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- AlreadyHome wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- reggaeheel wrote: Clemson gets chance with Wiggins this weekend: www.goupstate.com/article/2013...119959/0/news04--------------------------------------------- His commitment from a scale from 1 to 10 to UNC is a 5, WOW. --------------------------------------------- Yeah I think he is going to end up at Clemson. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/13/2013 10:06 AM
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You have to want to be here. Look at the recent commit Mr. Bart.... Bart 'Always Wanted' UNC --------------------------------------------- --- CowboysHeels1964 wrote: as bad as we need DB help, we have to keep this kid in the fold. --------------------------------------------- --- HeelinBoone wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- AlreadyHome wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- reggaeheel wrote: Clemson gets chance with Wiggins this weekend: www.goupstate.com/article/2013...119959/0/news04--------------------------------------------- His commitment from a scale from 1 to 10 to UNC is a 5, WOW. --------------------------------------------- Yeah I think he is going to end up at Clemson. --------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 1/14/2013 1:02 AM
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I wonder if Lawson will ever make an official visit to Chapel Hill? I don't see one lined up when I go to his name on the football recruiting prospects list.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 2:06 AM
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I wonder if Lawson will ever make an official visit to Chapel Hill? I don't see one lined up when I go to his name on the football recruiting prospects list.
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I don't think it matters, he's not going to be a Tar Heel regardless lets be realistic.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 5:07 AM
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His OV is scheduled for the 25th of January I think.
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I wonder if Lawson will ever make an official visit to Chapel Hill? I don't see one lined up when I go to his name on the football recruiting prospects list.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 10:18 AM
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It is the 25th according to TOS.
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His OV is scheduled for the 25th of January I think.
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I wonder if Lawson will ever make an official visit to Chapel Hill? I don't see one lined up when I go to his name on the football recruiting prospects list.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 11:46 AM
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Prep Notebook: UNC commit Korrin Wiggins reopens recruitment: www.heraldsun.com/sports/x1506...ens-recruitment |
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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:02 PM
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^^^ he'll still end up at UNC.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:13 PM
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Well if he makes a visit I will still hold out hope even if we are a long shot.
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I wonder if Lawson will ever make an official visit to Chapel Hill? I don't see one lined up when I go to his name on the football recruiting prospects list.
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I don't think it matters, he's not going to be a Tar Heel regardless lets be realistic.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:06 PM
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I said over a month ago on the Wiggins highlight video that he's heavily considering going to school in South Carolina. Truth be told, Wiggins tried to talk Khris Francis into coming with him to Clemson. Again, I wont say Wiggins goes to Clemson, but he's let it be known that he's very interested in going to Clemson.
edited to add: After a visit to Clemson during the season he returned home to tell people in Durham how exciting it was rubbing the rock and running down the hill before the game.
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^^^ he'll still end up at UNC.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:10 PM
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Very good points. I was unaware of this.
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I said over a month ago on the Wiggins highlight video that he's heavily considering going to school in South Carolina. Truth be told, Wiggins tried to talk Khris Francis into coming with him to Clemson. Again, I wont say Wiggins goes to Clemson, but he's let it be known that he's very interested in going to Clemson.
edited to add: After a visit to Clemson during the season he returned home to tell people in Durham how exciting it was rubbing the rock and running down the hill before the game.
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^^^ he'll still end up at UNC.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:14 PM
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After what I saw on his twitter all this weekend I definitely think he is a Clemson lean. He even talked with Brian Dawkins the longtime NFL safety, seemed to have a big impact on him. Just feels like he has been looking for a reason to go somewhere other than UNC, but we'll see. I'm sure he has visited UNC countless times already since he lives so close by so I kind of doubt how much impact this last visit will have.
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I said over a month ago on the Wiggins highlight video that he's heavily considering going to school in South Carolina. Truth be told, Wiggins tried to talk Khris Francis into coming with him to Clemson. Again, I wont say Wiggins goes to Clemson, but he's let it be known that he's very interested in going to Clemson.
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^^^ he'll still end up at UNC.
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:25 PM
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We will be fine whether he stays or goes to Clemson. We have a good chance to get S Malcolm Means or Tim Harris: northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=5502901northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=6713290--------------------------------------------- --- HeelinBoone wrote: After what I saw on his twitter all this weekend I definitely think he is a Clemson lean. He even talked with Brian Dawkins the longtime NFL safety, seemed to have a big impact on him. Just feels like he has been looking for a reason to go somewhere other than UNC, but we'll see. I'm sure he has visited UNC countless times already since he lives so close by so I kind of doubt how much impact this last visit will have. --------------------------------------------- --- LDHARRIS4 wrote: I said over a month ago on the Wiggins highlight video that he's heavily considering going to school in South Carolina. Truth be told, Wiggins tried to talk Khris Francis into coming with him to Clemson. Again, I wont say Wiggins goes to Clemson, but he's let it be known that he's very interested in going to Clemson. --------------------------------------------- --- WeezyFBaby wrote: ^^^ he'll still end up at UNC. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/14/2013 3:55 PM
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I would love to see us get Tim Harris. Maybe if we got him he could get in the ear of some 2014 recruits from Virginia as well. --------------------------------------------- --- spacemt1 wrote: We will be fine whether he stays or goes to Clemson. We have a good chance to get S Malcolm Means or Tim Harris: northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=5502901northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=...amp;nid=6713290--------------------------------------------- --- HeelinBoone wrote: After what I saw on his twitter all this weekend I definitely think he is a Clemson lean. He even talked with Brian Dawkins the longtime NFL safety, seemed to have a big impact on him. Just feels like he has been looking for a reason to go somewhere other than UNC, but we'll see. I'm sure he has visited UNC countless times already since he lives so close by so I kind of doubt how much impact this last visit will have. --------------------------------------------- --- LDHARRIS4 wrote: I said over a month ago on the Wiggins highlight video that he's heavily considering going to school in South Carolina. Truth be told, Wiggins tried to talk Khris Francis into coming with him to Clemson. Again, I wont say Wiggins goes to Clemson, but he's let it be known that he's very interested in going to Clemson. --------------------------------------------- --- WeezyFBaby wrote: ^^^ he'll still end up at UNC. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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