espn.go.com/college-football/s...ll-infringement

The more I found about this kid the less I like him. Currently he is only taking online courses and now he has established a business for profit which is OK by the NCAA. I assume that Johnny Football was created by a commentator but now since it is being used for profit, all on air commentators should be prohibited from saying it. This kid is truly ruining the spirit of student athlete.

Good for him. He should make some money off of his name. The NCAA surely isn't gonna share the millions they make of his name with him.
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--- amadeus wrote:

espn.go.com/college-football/s...ll-infringement

The more I found about this kid the less I like him. Currently he is only taking online courses and now he has established a business for profit which is OK by the NCAA. I assume that Johnny Football was created by a commentator but now since it is being used for profit, all on air commentators should be prohibited from saying it. This kid is truly ruining the spirit of student athlete.

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And he legally drinks under age by doing so with his parents, according to Texas state law. God bless Texas.

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--- therabidrev wrote:

And he legally drinks under age by doing so with his parents, according to Texas state law. God bless Texas.

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Good law if true.

Good for him. With its selective enforcement of archaic policies, the NCAA has allowed its definition of a Division I student athlete to become a joke. They allowed this to happen by allowing themselves to be pushed around. So, I say push until they make him stop. Which, they won't.

Sadly, The spirit of the (D1) student athlete disappeared the moment the NCAA signed billion dollar TV contracts.
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Good for him. He should make some money off of his name. The NCAA surely isn't gonna share the millions they make of his name with him.
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--- amadeus wrote:

espn.go.com/college-football/s...ll-infringement

The more I found about this kid the less I like him. Currently he is only taking online courses and now he has established a business for profit which is OK by the NCAA. I assume that Johnny Football was created by a commentator but now since it is being used for profit, all on air commentators should be prohibited from saying it. This kid is truly ruining the spirit of student athlete.

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Can't say I'm a big fan of some of these stupid copyright claims. Can't even say 'Three-Peat' or whatever thanks to Pat Riley.

I'm already tired of this guy.

UNC's Mitch Pigskin is gonna make you forget all about Johnny Football.

Bring on Mitch....

One of the, if not THE, biggest myths going today as it relates to D1 revenue sports, is that of the "student athlete." No offense to the OP, b/c my initial reaction was very much the same, but this demonstrates just how deeply this myth is held to this day, and the relative lack of understanding of how much a big business D1 FB and BB have become. All Johnny M. is doing is setting up business protections, to be placed in a trust, that ALLOW him to share in the $$
being made or certainly to be made, off of his name. Think of it as him, or rather his legal team acting on his behalf, just guaranteeing SOME profit from merchandise sales that are certain to take place moving forward. That is all. <replaces blinders>

I love Johnny Football.. Anybody that can go into Tuscaloosa, Alabama and do what he did against the National Champs deserves all the accolades he gets.There are very few actual student athletes on football scholarships at any school these days as everybody knows. Stop the hating and enjoy watching this Heisman Trophy winner and football phenom do his thing.

So is it the online classes that are bothering people? If so, why?

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--- therabidrev wrote:

And he legally drinks under age by doing so with his parents, according to Texas state law. God bless Texas.

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Good law if true.

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Nothing like partying with Dad. ;-)

I'm torn. One the one hand, I find this kid to be a little more than annoying. On the other, I'm glad he's protecting his interests and sticking it to the NCAA.

I think the latter sentiment outweighs the former, but I'm still not sure yet.

as much as a joke as on line courses are.. I really dont agree with athletes being able to do this. Be that ours or anyone elses.

The purpose of going to college is to go to class. The guy is a sophomore and doesn't have to step foot on campus. I could understand this if he were a second semester junior or senior, but a sophomore. This delegitimizes the spirit of college athletics. If he wants to be a pro let him play in Canada and then enter the nfl when the time comes.

I prefer college sports because it represents something that the pros can't. If that outlook permeates into college sports, then I'm done.

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So is it the online classes that are bothering people? If so, why?

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The online thing is a little ridiculous... Not stepping onto campus because you are "too famous" really knocks down the 'student-athlete' idea.

Nothing wrong with taking classes online, but the idea that he is worried about attending class because of his celebrity... Why not just go pro, then?

It's kind of crazy we've gotten to this point, but why should random people be allowed to profit off his name and he can't?

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--- amadeus wrote:

espn.go.com/college-football/s...ll-infringement

The more I found about this kid the less I like him. Currently he is only taking online courses and now he has established a business for profit which is OK by the NCAA. I assume that Johnny Football was created by a commentator but now since it is being used for profit, all on air commentators should be prohibited from saying it. This kid is truly ruining the spirit of student athlete.

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hahaa - the spirit of the student athlete.

great player
great plays
great nickname
everyone profit! (except the kid of course)

It is kind of ironic but Division I football players at the Naval Academy (and I assume the other service academies) take 21 hours per semester, all on campus, and as sophomores, can't step OFF campus without approved weekend leave time. They get nothing for their services on the football field except for the thrill of competition, comradery ("The Brotherhood"), a college degree and an opportunity to get shot at for five years in some foreign land. That is perfectly fine with them.

Good recruiting story. A football recruit from Florida came up to Annapolis for an official visit this past month. As it does alot this time of year, it was snowing during much of his visit. He didn't commit because he wanted the opportunity to play in the NFL and thought he needed more visability than he would get at the Naval Academy. He also said that as a kid from south Florida, he hated the cold weather.

Where did he sign?.............University of North Dakota. True story.

Success seems to always breed jealously and nit-picking. If on-line classes and legally making money are all this kid can be criticised about...he will have done well.

Actually, he's already academically a junior. He graduated HS early and enrolled at A&M for the Spring 2011 semester.

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--- amadeus wrote:

The purpose of going to college is to go to class. The guy is a sophomore and doesn't have to step foot on campus. I could understand this if he were a second semester junior or senior, but a sophomore. This delegitimizes the spirit of college athletics. If he wants to be a pro let him play in Canada and then enter the nfl when the time comes.

I prefer college sports because it represents something that the pros can't. If that outlook permeates into college sports, then I'm done.

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--- Jheiser3 wrote:

So is it the online classes that are bothering people? If so, why?

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The purpose was going to class, not learning? Interesting take, from someone I imagine hasn't taken online classes. Am I close?

He actually tried one on ground class this semester. It was a nightmare for all involved because no one would leave him or his classroom alone. But THIS, THIS is what delegitimizes the spirit of colleges athletics?! HA! Not Saban running a try-out factory while making more than everyone else in the University combined. Not bowl games showering players with acceptable gifts. Not taking advantage of kids who can get in but have no chance of graduating with a meaningful degree. No, not until this kid takes online classes has the spirit of college athletics truly be taken down a peg. Yeesh. IF that outlook permeates? Where have you been?

As I read it, he is not able to make a dime off of "Johnny Football" while in school. He is simply protecting those rights until he's done at A+M. So where do you get the idea that this equates to "wants to be a pro"?

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--- amadeus wrote:

The purpose of going to college is to go to class. The guy is a sophomore and doesn't have to step foot on campus. I could understand this if he were a second semester junior or senior, but a sophomore. This delegitimizes the spirit of college athletics. If he wants to be a pro let him play in Canada and then enter the nfl when the time comes.

I prefer college sports because it represents something that the pros can't. If that outlook permeates into college sports, then I'm done.

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--- Jheiser3 wrote:

So is it the online classes that are bothering people? If so, why?

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Selling Johnny Football:
espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/89...johnny-football

Interesting how Tim Tebow and many other underclass Heisman Trophy winners were able to go to class just fine. I can't imagine him being more popular than any other acclaimed college athlete that attended classes in person after gaining notoriety. I respect you point of view and you are correct that I have never taken online courses. I went to college for the experience. Otherwise I would have done the University of Phoenix online degree. He had no problem his first two years on campus and now the kid can't be seen with his classmates? Also, when I read the article it stated that his father and the university work together to ensure that his "rights" are being protected. Is the university doing the same for the rest of its athletes? This guy is actively engaged in marketing himself. As far as being a pro is concerned, of course he wants to be a pro. Have you ever heard of a Heisman winner that didn't want to go pro? He is marketing himself more for the future than for today. What run down NFL team wouldn't want to select an overhyped quarterback with the first pick? It helps them sell tickets quickly whether he pans out or not.

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--- Jheiser3 wrote:

The purpose was going to class, not learning? Interesting take, from someone I imagine hasn't taken online classes. Am I close?

He actually tried one on ground class this semester. It was a nightmare for all involved because no one would leave him or his classroom alone. But THIS, THIS is what delegitimizes the spirit of colleges athletics?! HA! Not Saban running a try-out factory while making more than everyone else in the University combined. Not bowl games showering players with acceptable gifts. Not taking advantage of kids who can get in but have no chance of graduating with a meaningful degree. No, not until this kid takes online classes has the spirit of college athletics truly be taken down a peg. Yeesh. IF that outlook permeates? Where have you been?

As I read it, he is not able to make a dime off of "Johnny Football" while in school. He is simply protecting those rights until he's done at A+M. So where do you get the idea that this equates to "wants to be a pro"?

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--- amadeus wrote:

The purpose of going to college is to go to class. The guy is a sophomore and doesn't have to step foot on campus. I could understand this if he were a second semester junior or senior, but a sophomore. This delegitimizes the spirit of college athletics. If he wants to be a pro let him play in Canada and then enter the nfl when the time comes.

I prefer college sports because it represents something that the pros can't. If that outlook permeates into college sports, then I'm done.

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--- Jheiser3 wrote:

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By the same standard you apply, every college footbal player wants to be a pro. Why is Manziel the only one who should go to Canada because of it??

Yep, he had no problem going to class unnoticed as an anonymous student BEFORE he won the Heisman trophy playing for Texas A+M. But now he is a Heisman winning QB at a school not exactly known for their nuance and subtlety. It has nothing to do with "being seen with classmates". The class he was in was overwhelmed with other students trying to meet him, get his autograph etc. Now, I will say this is partly his fault. If he was on campus every day, hanging out in general spaces more regularly then maybe he wouldn't be such a phenomenon when he did show up to a class. although that didn't help Tebow, who avoided common areas like the library while he was at UF.

As for the school helping out, I believe that is is the form of restricting the sale of "Johnny Football" merch. Of course that only serves their own interests in selling his nameless jersey and other shirts with his likeness.

"He is marketing himself more for the future than today."
He is not marketing himself at all. He is protecting his likeness/trademark which he is not ALLOWED to market today. So yeah, he is thinking of his future. Others might see this as a completely rational thing to do.

I guess we can expect to see a bunch of this moving forward. If I was a college player who didn't care about my education (like quite a few) I would merely sign up for a few pathetic online classes and do just enough to stay eligible. Not to mention, it would be much easier to cheat in an online class. Just sad really.

Meh he's probably not going to get drafted in the NFL so he doesn't have a big payday waiting for him. May as well make money off his name before he completely falls off the radar.

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--- amadeus wrote:

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Don't forget the charges he is still dealing with stemming from his arrest last summer. He and some buds were drunk & walking around College Station calling black folks the "N" word which, naturally, led to a fight. Johnny Football got arrested & got more charges because he had a fake ID in his possession.

Interesting article from Clay Travis about this opening a loophole for paying players:

outkickthecoverage.com/johnny-...layers-rule.php

Next step is for the NCAA to allow athletes to opt out of their scholarships and maintain eligibility. That way they would be allowed to make whatever amount the could. Btw, I've never played it but how are the NCAA video games setup. Do they in any way use the likenesses or names of the players?
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--- reggaeheel wrote:

Selling Johnny Football:
espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/89...johnny-football

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Ed O'Bannon et al are going after the video game companies and the NCAA. The games use very similar likenesses of current players, accurate numbers, skin color and some even get the pads and equipment right. O'Bannon is going after them because they also use former player's likenesses well beyond their years in school, without compensating (now professional) players.

I believe EA is going to start randomizing this to get around the coming legal defeat/compromise. Players will still be editable, they just won't start out being so freakin similar to real players.

This is a lie, and you know it. One of Johnny's friends was accused of using a racial slur against an African-American man. Johnny tried to get his friend out of there, but the fight broke out when the African-American man shoved Johnny. The disorderly conduct and failure to identify are class "C" and "B" misdemeanors, respectively.

NO ONE has alleged, besides you and other, similarly bitter UT fans, that Johnny used a slur. The effort by you and others to unjustifiably portray Johnny as a racist is despicable. I'm sorry Mack Brown apparently can no longer evaluate QB talent, but that's no excuse for your shenanigans.

My apologies to the rest of this UNC board. I don't like dragging up UT/A&M flame wars on other schools' boards, but when I see petty, vindictive folk like Yoda attempt to spread this lie, I can't just ignore it.

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--- amadeus wrote:

The more I found about this kid the less I like him.

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Don't forget the charges he is still dealing with stemming from his arrest last summer. He and some buds were drunk & walking around College Station calling black folks the "N" word which, naturally, led to a fight. Johnny Football got arrested & got more charges because he had a fake ID in his possession.

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Pay manziel (and others), let him collect on trademark name etc.

Then charge him for room, board, tuition, medical, personal trainers, team logo, equipment, facility fee etc.