I love that they are standing up for themselves.

miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1474467

Thorp has already apologized for Shalala's backtalk to Emmert.

Standing up for themselves while also bending over backward (2 year bowl ban etc). They are guilty as can be. I have no sympathy for either side. They should get taken to the woodshed for their part and Emmert's head should roll for his.

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--- mjtrell wrote:

I love that they are standing up for themselves.

miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1474467

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If Penn State got four years bowl ban and Miami already has self-imposed two, I would think that is enough, but maybe the NCAA will make it a point to give them another year.

When we made self-imposed sanctions, it was based on gathering data of similar cases and making the recommendation based on that evaluation. In that situation, you have to believe that it's best from a PR standpoint to propose something that isn't going to be made worse as that would appear that you are fighting to get as little as possible as opposed to what is just. That proposal included three scholarships per season for three years which to some seemed harsh, but I would have bet a million dollars at that time that the NCAA was going to make it more severe just to make a point. I shudder to think what might have happened had we suggested five scholarships for three seasons, one bowl ban season, and four years probation. The NCAA undoubtedly would have come back with 8 scholarships per season for three years, two years bowl ban, and five years probation.

It is in Miami's best interests to STOP the self-imposed sanctions NOW. They have given up an Independence Bowl, an ACCCG that they weren't going to win, and another bowl that was not very glamourous (maybe the Sun Bowl?). I'd leave it at that for the time being if I was Shalala. Even if the media start to suggest in the next month that Miami bb should not participate in the NCAA, I'd do it anyhow.

The NCAA Emmert and his crew always play this self righteous and accountability card. But let it slide when the table turned. Yes UM got caught with there hand in the cookie jar. But I'll take NCAA falling in there pile instead of the UM.

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--- Jheiser3 wrote:

Standing up for themselves while also bending over backward (2 year bowl ban etc). They are guilty as can be. I have no sympathy for either side. They should get taken to the woodshed for their part and Emmert's head should roll for his.

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--- mjtrell wrote:

I love that they are standing up for themselves.

miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1474467

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Has Miami's basketball team imposed any sanctions?

I think their football team has suffered enough, but I'm not sure their basketball team has had any sort of penalty whatsoever.

If they have current players who received any sort of benefits and past coaches who were up to no good, I would have to think the NCAA is gonna hit them too.

When is Miami going to make the NOA public ?

Miami lost institional control for the second time now, the time cited by the NCAA was about a decade. Irrespective of what a cluster**** the NCAA is, Miami's contrition of voluntarily sitting out 2 mid-major bowls over the last two seasons in response to the allegations doesn't seem to be quite enough. After all these charges cover both football and basketball during a week when the baseball trainer is being questioned about, and the players as well for PED's.
No I don't think the NCAA will settle on Miami's terms.

Also, I could be wrong, but I dont believe Miami sanctioned itself with the loss of any scholarships. That is almost a foregone conclusion that it must also have that. The fact that this is the second time is what is also going to hurt them. The two bowls they penalized themselves from were not really a big deal. Not big games. Now if they pull themselves out of the NCAA mens basketball tournament this year, then I would call that stiff.

WOW! I did not agree with much of Ms. Shalala's political ideas or procedures, but I surely do admire her for her calculated and articulate response to the rogue's gallery of athletic institutions, the NCAA. Is it just barely possible that the NCAA has its own axe to grind, its own agenda to follow apart from that which is publicly stated by them? Just askin'!Oh, that the Administration in Chapel Hill might have had enough true grit to hold out for its own integrity, as Ms. Shalala has done!

There's an old Irish song which was sung in the movie "The Quiet Man" many years ago. I remember a couple of lines from it which it seems Ms. Shalala may also know . . .

"I lathered 'im with me shillelagh,
'Cause he trod on the tail of me mush-mush-mush-tu-ra-lai-addie;
He trod on the tail of me coat."

. . . or something of that nature.

It is a delight to see Ms. Shalala lathering the head of the notorious NCAA with her brand of a shillelagh. It will be interesting to see the response from the NCAA.

"Finally, we believe the NCAA was responsible for damaging leaks of unsubstantiated allegations over the course of the investigation."

Sounds vaguely familiar... of course it could be Burly Mitchell too.

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--- NCU08 wrote:

Thorp has already apologized for Shalala's backtalk to Emmert.

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lol

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--- unc 15 smh wrote:

Also, I could be wrong, but I dont believe Miami sanctioned itself with the loss of any scholarships. That is almost a foregone conclusion that it must also have that. The fact that this is the second time is what is also going to hurt them. The two bowls they penalized themselves from were not really a big deal. Not big games. Now if they pull themselves out of the NCAA mens basketball tournament this year, then I would call that stiff.

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UM did self-impose a loss of scholarships, but has not released to the public the total number. Don't know why they kept it a mystery, but they did self-impose none the less. That's why UM had a small recruiting class this year (17 kids, I believe).

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:

Has Miami's basketball team imposed any sanctions?

I think their football team has suffered enough, but I'm not sure their basketball team has had any sort of penalty whatsoever.

If they have current players who received any sort of benefits and past coaches who were up to no good, I would have to think the NCAA is gonna hit them too.

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There was only one major allegation against the basketball team involving a player: Shapiro claimed that he gave $10k to the family of DeQuan Jones. UM suspended Jones for half of last season, while the NCAA tried in vain to dig up proof. They couldn't find any, so Jones was reinstated and that allegation was dropped from the NCAA report.

There was an asst b-ball coach who apparently took a loan from Shapiro, which has been paid back. He also gave plane tickets to a couple players. That asst coach has been charged with lying to the investigators.

Frank Haith was charged with "Failure to Monitor", basically for not reporting the incident sooner when he found out that the asst had bought plane tix.

Doesn't seem like much there worth self-imposing a penalty for.

Seems logical that the basketball team will get something but I will not hold my breathe because the shadiness the NCAA showed, the jury is out on them totally now.

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:

Has Miami's basketball team imposed any sanctions?

I think their football team has suffered enough, but I'm not sure their basketball team has had any sort of penalty whatsoever.

If they have current players who received any sort of benefits and past coaches who were up to no good, I would have to think the NCAA is gonna hit them too.

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There was only one major allegation against the basketball team involving a player: Shapiro claimed that he gave $10k to the family of DeQuan Jones. UM suspended Jones for half of last season, while the NCAA tried in vain to dig up proof. They couldn't find any, so Jones was reinstated and that allegation was dropped from the NCAA report.

There was an asst b-ball coach who apparently took a loan from Shapiro, which has been paid back. He also gave plane tickets to a couple players. That asst coach has been charged with lying to the investigators.

Frank Haith was charged with "Failure to Monitor", basically for not reporting the incident sooner when he found out that the asst had bought plane tix.

Doesn't seem like much there worth self-imposing a penalty for.

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:

Has Miami's basketball team imposed any sanctions?

I think their football team has suffered enough, but I'm not sure their basketball team has had any sort of penalty whatsoever.

If they have current players who received any sort of benefits and past coaches who were up to no good, I would have to think the NCAA is gonna hit them too.

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There was only one major allegation against the basketball team involving a player: Shapiro claimed that he gave $10k to the family of DeQuan Jones. UM suspended Jones for half of last season, while the NCAA tried in vain to dig up proof. They couldn't find any, so Jones was reinstated and that allegation was dropped from the NCAA report.

There was an asst b-ball coach who apparently took a loan from Shapiro, which has been paid back. He also gave plane tickets to a couple players. That asst coach has been charged with lying to the investigators.

Frank Haith was charged with "Failure to Monitor", basically for not reporting the incident sooner when he found out that the asst had bought plane tix.

Doesn't seem like much there worth self-imposing a penalty for.

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I thought I read something about Reggie Johnson....maybe not.

Either way, one coach was dirty, the head coach basically covered it up, and you think there's nothing to see? I think the NCAA will feel differently. I heard they were gonna hit Haith with a show-cause label. If that's true, you can expect the basketball team is gonna get hit.

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------ CaneInNoleCountry wrote:

Frank Haith was charged with "Failure to Monitor", basically for not reporting the incident sooner when he found out that the asst had bought plane tix.

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Is this story wrong?:

espn.go.com/mens-college-baske...ons-report-says

From the article: "Haith faces the unethical conduct charge because the NCAA believes that payments to his assistants that Haith said were for basketball camps ended up paying Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, CBS reported, citing an anonymous source. Shapiro's mother told the NCAA she received the payment."

If so, this is significantly worse than not reporting quickly enough an incident of his assistants buying plane tickets for a player.

Regarding Johnson:

usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports...ible/53259010/1

Cornbread, that article re: Haith is incorrect. Looks like it was written A) before the Notice of Allegations was actually recieved and B) Before the NCAA revealed that they had botched the case.

Here's a more recent article: espn.go.com/mens-college-baske...ons-report-says

And regarding Reggie Johnson, as I noted in another thread, an assistant b-ball coach under Haith was found to have given plane tix to Johnson and a few other players. Johnson was suspended, and the accused coach has received a charge of Unethical Conduct from the NCAA.

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--- CaneInNoleCountry wrote:

Johnson was suspended, and the accused coach has received a charge of Unethical Conduct from the NCAA.

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I would be concerned if I were a Cane fan. A staff member has been determined to be unethical according to the NCAA. To think this won't affect the basketball team is being extremely naive, in my opinion.

For the record, I have enjoyed watching Miami this year and the entire staff, along with the players seem very likeable. I just don't see how the NCAA doesn't hit basketball too.

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--- CaneInNoleCountry wrote:

Johnson was suspended, and the accused coach has received a charge of Unethical Conduct from the NCAA.

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I would be concerned if I were a Cane fan. A staff member has been determined to be unethical according to the NCAA. To think this won't affect the basketball team is being extremely naive, in my opinion.

For the record, I have enjoyed watching Miami this year and the entire staff, along with the players seem very likeable. I just don't see how the NCAA doesn't hit basketball too.

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I didn't say it won't affect the b-ball team; it will. But I don't think they're looking at major sanctions. Keep in mind that the only charges that involve players are minor violations like travel expenses, and those charges only involve a small handful of players. We're not talking about the gifts and meals and $$ that was allegedly provided to several players on the football side of things.

iMO, the team itself may be docked a few scholarships, and the coach that was deemed unethical may get a show-cause penalty that would cost him his current job.

Here's what John Infante, a former compliance director and current talking head, has to say about it:


"I would be shocked if there's another bowl ban, and it would be foolish to impose that. If Miami gets [docked] 10 to 15 scholarships a year, I see Miami fighting back. On the basketball side, it's a bunch of minor recruiting violations. I would see minimal scholarship losses maybe one or two and definitely no postseason ban for basketball."


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