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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:19 PM
Accreditors: UNC Out of Compliance in Fraud Case...
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:13 PM
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Bring graduates back to make their degree "whole"? That has to be a joke. How is that possible? The degree has been conferred. How could those graduates be forced to do that? UNC can't take the degree back can it?
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:20 PM
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Might be able to trade it in for Parks & Rec from UNC-R.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:28 PM
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What a mess.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:56 PM
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This article lists no author and is based on quotes from the N&O. Need I say more.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:29 AM
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Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:19 AM
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This is why you circle the wagons and defend in these situations rather than flop spread eagle. Why Thorp hasn't been fired for cause at this point is beyond me.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:23 AM
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Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:42 AM
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Hope Jay Smith is happy now!
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:35 AM
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Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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Here's the repair: Close down the AFAM Dept. It's pretty much bogus anyway and students aren't learning anything in these psuedo-sociological-history courses.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:54 AM
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I agree and they should do that for all school.....these studies departments are taught by commies who hate america and arent real classes to begin with.....im just suprised that they were called out by the accredidation board...I thought ped st would get something like this
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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Here's the repair: Close down the AFAM Dept. It's pretty much bogus anyway and students aren't learning anything in these psuedo-sociological-history courses.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:57 AM
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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And yet there are folks who still defend him based on their view of his "unprecedented" ability to bring in research dollars. There are a few folks on the ZZL who actually have argued that he has been an above average chancellor based on his fund-raising abilities. I'll tell everyone a secret: Thorpe may have broken a couple annual records with his fund-raising, but so has every chancellor for nearly every year that preceded him. That is what you would have expected. Thorp(e) can't leave soon enough. He is an incredibly poor leader who lacks the spine to stand up to those who would wish harm against this university. Transparence has value up to a point, but past that, a leader has to draw the line and say this is ridiculous, there is no longer value in doing this investigation. There are some who feel that we never should have attempted to be transparent given what they anticipated would transpire due to this and they have been shown to be right the whole time. Honesty is NOT always the best policy and allowing total access the way that he has done has NOT been the right approach. I hope folks learn from his mistakes otherwise we will be doomed to repeat them at some point in the future.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:00 AM
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couldn't agree more ...... it's certainly been my experience that the best way to deal with most problems is simply pretend they never happened and go about your bidness .... la di da ......
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--- Tarheel2k5 wrote:
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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And yet there are folks who still defend him based on their view of his "unprecedented" ability to bring in research dollars. There are a few folks on the ZZL who actually have argued that he has been an above average chancellor based on his fund-raising abilities. I'll tell everyone a secret: Thorpe may have broken a couple annual records with his fund-raising, but so has every chancellor for nearly every year that preceded him. That is what you would have expected. Thorp(e) can't leave soon enough. He is an incredibly poor leader who lacks the spine to stand up to those who would wish harm against this university. Transparence has value up to a point, but past that, a leader has to draw the line and say this is ridiculous, there is no longer value in doing this investigation. There are some who feel that we never should have attempted to be transparent given what they anticipated would transpire due to this and they have been shown to be right the whole time. Honesty is NOT always the best policy and allowing total access the way that he has done has NOT been the right approach. I hope folks learn from his mistakes otherwise we will be doomed to repeat them at some point in the future.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:46 AM
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OK I gotta say it - which coach are we gonna fire for this? Peter your principle is alive and well in Chapel Hill. --------------------------------------------- --- reggaeheel wrote: alumni.unc.edu/article.aspx?sid=9442--------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:16 AM
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This is the key paragraph from the story:
Thorp said that all reports of investigations into the scandal, including steps taken to guard against a recurrence, have been provided to SACS. But he pointed out that the December meeting of the organization’s board of trustees at which Carolina’s situation was discussed preceded the release of the most extensive of those, the James Martin/Baker Tilly report that came out Dec. 20. The report was sent to SACS that day, and Thorp called it “incredibly important” to the issues SACS has with UNC.
Why the SACS felt the need to rush to judgment and issue a public statement before the Martin report is beyond me....
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:19 AM
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Bell, do you think UNC has "simply pretend[ed]" this problem "never happened?" I can assure you CC does not feel that is the case and think it a bit unfair you suggest that is his position in your post. Maybe you missed the 4 major investigations UNC launched into it and the more than 70 reforms they have adopted as a result.
I think all CC was suggesting was that he have beaten this dead horse to death 2 or 3 times already. We need to move on now.
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couldn't agree more ...... it's certainly been my experience that the best way to deal with most problems is simply pretend they never happened and go about your bidness .... la di da ......
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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:
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--- Tarheel2k5 wrote:
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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And yet there are folks who still defend him based on their view of his "unprecedented" ability to bring in research dollars. There are a few folks on the ZZL who actually have argued that he has been an above average chancellor based on his fund-raising abilities. I'll tell everyone a secret: Thorpe may have broken a couple annual records with his fund-raising, but so has every chancellor for nearly every year that preceded him. That is what you would have expected. Thorp(e) can't leave soon enough. He is an incredibly poor leader who lacks the spine to stand up to those who would wish harm against this university. Transparence has value up to a point, but past that, a leader has to draw the line and say this is ridiculous, there is no longer value in doing this investigation. There are some who feel that we never should have attempted to be transparent given what they anticipated would transpire due to this and they have been shown to be right the whole time. Honesty is NOT always the best policy and allowing total access the way that he has done has NOT been the right approach. I hope folks learn from his mistakes otherwise we will be doomed to repeat them at some point in the future.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:20 AM
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“Every step of the way, we sent SACS every report we’ve made,” Thorp said. He added that in the absence of the Martin/Baker Tilly report, he probably would have made the same decision, were he “in their shoes.”
What a weeny.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:22 AM
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Oxygen. Breath it. It's good for your brain.
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I agree and they should do that for all school.....these studies departments are taught by commies who hate america
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:35 AM
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Bring graduates back to make their degree "whole"? That has to be a joke. How is that possible? The degree has been conferred. How could those graduates be forced to do that? UNC can't take the degree back can it?
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They can revoke the degrees based on the person's not actually meeting the requirements to be awarded one. UVa did it in response to a plagiarism scandal. (A prof used software to scan papers for his class and found a number were copied from year to year.) Under our Honor System, they were retroactively expelled with an "Expelled" notation put on their transcript.
As an aside, we're under a warning issued by the Southern Association due to the attempted coup d'etat against President Sullivan.
Last edited 2/15/2013 11:37 AM by HoomanBeing
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:20 PM
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I think there is a difference between knowingly plagiarising a paper, and taking a class that you probably thought was legit (albiet an easy A) and then finding out it wasn't. In the first case, it is clearly the student's fault. In the second case, I don't think you can really blame the student.
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Bring graduates back to make their degree "whole"? That has to be a joke. How is that possible? The degree has been conferred. How could those graduates be forced to do that? UNC can't take the degree back can it?
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They can revoke the degrees based on the person's not actually meeting the requirements to be awarded one. UVa did it in response to a plagiarism scandal. (A prof used software to scan papers for his class and found a number were copied from year to year.) Under our Honor System, they were retroactively expelled with an "Expelled" notation put on their transcript.
As an aside, we're under a warning issued by the Southern Association due to the attempted coup d'etat against President Sullivan.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:22 PM
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Worth repeating.
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Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:17 PM
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Accreditation is a joke. The organizations that do them are a joke. Calling people back to take "remedial" classes is a joke.
Thorpe is a joke. The News and Observer is a joke.
I did know a guy who had been a teacher for twenty some years who was notified that he hadn't taken a course required for his degree and that he would have to go back and take a biology course. He did it and was re-certified.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:19 PM
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Wow that's a very strong opinion you have there. I would love to know the numbers that back up your statement as I am sure you are uniquely well informed about the mater.
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--- buckeye4573 wrote:
I agree and they should do that for all school.....these studies departments are taught by commies who hate america and arent real classes to begin with.....im just suprised that they were called out by the accredidation board...I thought ped st would get something like this
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--- vancehall wrote:
Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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Here's the repair: Close down the AFAM Dept. It's pretty much bogus anyway and students aren't learning anything in these psuedo-sociological-history courses.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:20 PM
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I have no idea what someone with an AFAM degree even does for a living. If their degree is "revoked", would they be in danger of losing their job, losing a certification, etc.?
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:46 PM
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Not every degree points directly to a job...But "studies"are suspec, especially those centered on grievance. When "studies" were exposed and questioned in Chronicle s of Higher Education, reporter was...fired for her temerity.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:53 PM
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The Bomber = Eistein .... (kind of ironic screen name)
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
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Accreditation is a joke. The organizations that do them are a joke. Calling people back to take "remedial" classes is a joke.
Thorpe is a joke. The News and Observer is a joke.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:00 PM
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what the meaning of the classes? Womens studes, black studies, indian studies....there is no value to them. They are there to teach how america is bad and they are taught by well...commies. A friend of mine went to womens studies to pick up chicks, he was a liberal and said all they do is male bash, he is now a conservative. Several factors caused that transformation, but he started to see what I was talking about when he went to class. If you dont believe me, attend one, it's quite interesting. But it was good for him to see that womens studies is really male bashing lesbian studies.....and so forth, all these majors are a joke...they are relatively new and where old hippies went to teach, because they couldnt teach a real humanities class like philosphy or history here is an example of the people that run this stuff en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Jeffriesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womens_studies"Women's studies were first born as an academic rubric apart from other departments in the late 1960s, as the second wave of feminism gained political influence in the academy through student and faculty activism" I mean 60s feminists....hmmmmmm...like I said lesbo studies...find out about the curriculum of these classes...they're a joke. --------------------------------------------- --- chstudent wrote: Wow that's a very strong opinion you have there. I would love to know the numbers that back up your statement as I am sure you are uniquely well informed about the mater. --------------------------------------------- --- buckeye4573 wrote: I agree and they should do that for all school.....these studies departments are taught by commies who hate america and arent real classes to begin with.....im just suprised that they were called out by the accredidation board...I thought ped st would get something like this --------------------------------------------- --- ChancellorHouse wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- vancehall wrote: Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage. --------------------------------------------- Here's the repair: Close down the AFAM Dept. It's pretty much bogus anyway and students aren't learning anything in these psuedo-sociological-history courses. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------
Last edited 2/15/2013 3:07 PM by buckeye4573
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Posted: 2/15/2013 4:42 PM
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^Please go back to the Ohio State boards.
AfAm studies, women's studies, Indian studies, gender studies et al are EXACTLY LIKE history, social studies, anthropology, etc. They are basically classes that deal with history and literature. Nobody ever questions the value of American history classes or sociology or English literature or European studies. Now, why, oh why do they question AfAm and women's/gender studies courses that are of the same value and instruction? Oh, that's right, because certain individuals are biased against women and ethnic minorities. Really?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 1:17 AM
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^Please go back to the Ohio State boards.
AfAm studies, women's studies, Indian studies, gender studies et al are EXACTLY LIKE history, social studies, anthropology, etc. They are basically classes that deal with history and literature. Nobody ever questions the value of American history classes or sociology or English literature or European studies. Now, why, oh why do they question AfAm and women's/gender studies courses that are of the same value and instruction? Oh, that's right, because certain individuals are biased against women and ethnic minorities. Really?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 1:27 AM
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^Please go back to the Ohio State boards.
AfAm studies, women's studies, Indian studies, gender studies et al are EXACTLY LIKE history, social studies, anthropology, etc. They are basically classes that deal with history and literature. Nobody ever questions the value of American history classes or sociology or English literature or European studies. Now, why, oh why do they question AfAm and women's/gender studies courses that are of the same value and instruction? Oh, that's right, because certain individuals are biased against women and ethnic minorities. Really?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:12 AM
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this is getting awfully far away from football so I won't say too much here ..... Your contention that these various 'group' studies departments and courses are nothing different from conventional history or literature departments is highly debatable to say the least. While there are probably some courses in most gender studies and African-American studies departments that would be similar to a conventional history or literature course, these departments have been rightly criticized in many instances for simply being depositories of radical over-educated political hacks for whom education is little more than indoctrination. There is a politically correct scheme of thought in these fields from which no deviation is tolerated. What passes for scholarship in these departments is often little more than radical political tracts dressed up in a lot of unreadable academic jargon. This is not a new idea held only by a few throwback racists and misogynists: www.mindingthecampus.com/forum...s_programs.html--------------------------------------------- --- jsb23nc wrote: ^Please go back to the Ohio State boards. AfAm studies, women's studies, Indian studies, gender studies et al are EXACTLY LIKE history, social studies, anthropology, etc. They are basically classes that deal with history and literature. Nobody ever questions the value of American history classes or sociology or English literature or European studies. Now, why, oh why do they question AfAm and women's/gender studies courses that are of the same value and instruction? Oh, that's right, because certain individuals are biased against women and ethnic minorities. Really? --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:12 AM
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I looked at the site you linked and it is hardly a mainstream view as you suggest with your citation. Looks more like something Art Pope would subscribe to. --------------------------------------------- --- BethelRegiment wrote: This is not a new idea held only by a few throwback racists and misogynists: www.mindingthecampus.com/forum...s_programs.html--------------------------------------------- --- jsb23nc wrote: ^Please go back to the Ohio State boards. AfAm studies, women's studies, Indian studies, gender studies et al are EXACTLY LIKE history, social studies, anthropology, etc. They are basically classes that deal with history and literature. Nobody ever questions the value of American history classes or sociology or English literature or European studies. Now, why, oh why do they question AfAm and women's/gender studies courses that are of the same value and instruction? Oh, that's right, because certain individuals are biased against women and ethnic minorities. Really? --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:39 AM
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I tell you what - in 2016 we'll get Art Pope to run for governor for the Republicans and you can get the Chairman of the African-American Studies Dept. at UNC to run against him (not the guy that got fired - whoever replaced him). How much you want to bet on where we find 'mainstream' lies among NC voters ?
Let me tell you right now there is not a dollar amount you could name that will be too high for me to be delighted to cover.
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I looked at the site you linked and it is hardly a mainstream view as you suggest with your citation. Looks more like something Art Pope would subscribe to.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:01 AM
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^LOL
So, you are conceding that Obama and his policies are more mainstream than any of the GOP candidates/policies? Based on your "who would win the governor" argument, clearly you must be.
BTW, love that you assumed that the AfAm chair is a man. Once again showing your bias. It is actually a woman. Dr. Eunice Sahle.
FWIW, you would be surprised at the ability of Art Pope to get electd. He has already put McCrory's approval ratings into the crapper.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:04 AM
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^^I have to agree...
Mainstream NC voters voted to make discrimination part of the state constitution. As much as I hate to admit it,bigotry is alive and well in NC.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:05 AM
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When you have no argument...hyperbole to the rescue.
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couldn't agree more ...... it's certainly been my experience that the best way to deal with most problems is simply pretend they never happened and go about your bidness .... la di da ......
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Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage.
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This!
Not even worthy of being the chancellor of a preschool.
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And yet there are folks who still defend him based on their view of his "unprecedented" ability to bring in research dollars. There are a few folks on the ZZL who actually have argued that he has been an above average chancellor based on his fund-raising abilities. I'll tell everyone a secret: Thorpe may have broken a couple annual records with his fund-raising, but so has every chancellor for nearly every year that preceded him. That is what you would have expected. Thorp(e) can't leave soon enough. He is an incredibly poor leader who lacks the spine to stand up to those who would wish harm against this university. Transparence has value up to a point, but past that, a leader has to draw the line and say this is ridiculous, there is no longer value in doing this investigation. There are some who feel that we never should have attempted to be transparent given what they anticipated would transpire due to this and they have been shown to be right the whole time. Honesty is NOT always the best policy and allowing total access the way that he has done has NOT been the right approach. I hope folks learn from his mistakes otherwise we will be doomed to repeat them at some point in the future.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:21 AM
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Pretty clear Bell is not "mainstream" on this board.
Bell, you set up a false dichotomy. I never said the chairperson of the AFAM Department was mainstream, so your proposed "bet" makes no sense.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:28 AM
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May not be a popular statement, but perhaps the AFAM department losing it's accredidation is what is needed in order to institute real and meaningful reform.
On the whole, I am not in favor of a curriculum that is geared to the history of one particluar ethnic group that is largely populated by said ethnic group. Higher education should be used to expand one's knowledge and experience. My sense is that the AFAM department has done little of that.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:41 AM
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1) Like it or not, Obama's policies and/or overall appeal were 'mainstream' enough to get 51% of the votes.
2) I had no idea who might be the current Chairman of the AFAM Dept. "Chairman" is not meant to be a gender specific term. Maybe I should take a women's study course and I can be indoctrinated otherwise.
3) I don't know much about Art Pope. He might be more conservative than most NC voters. Nevertheless, without having a clue as to who the individual might be in the AFAM Department, I would be comfortable betting a lot of money that whoever that person is, he/she would be far too liberal to win an important statewide race in NC. Chapel Hill is an echo chamber for liberals and that is unhelpful in learning what might appeal to voters outside Orange County. Bear in mind that Romney won NC in 2012.
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^LOL
So, you are conceding that Obama and his policies are more mainstream than any of the GOP candidates/policies? Based on your "who would win the governor" argument, clearly you must be.
BTW, love that you assumed that the AfAm chair is a man. Once again showing your bias. It is actually a woman. Dr. Eunice Sahle.
FWIW, you would be surprised at the ability of Art Pope to get electd. He has already put McCrory's approval ratings into the crapper.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:47 AM
Re: Accreditors: UNC Out of Compliance in Fraud Case...
Shoo, teabagger. Go to one of your white knights websites with this garbage. --------------------------------------------- --- buckeye4573 wrote: what the meaning of the classes? Womens studes, black studies, indian studies....there is no value to them. They are there to teach how america is bad and they are taught by well...commies. A friend of mine went to womens studies to pick up chicks, he was a liberal and said all they do is male bash, he is now a conservative. Several factors caused that transformation, but he started to see what I was talking about when he went to class. If you dont believe me, attend one, it's quite interesting. But it was good for him to see that womens studies is really male bashing lesbian studies.....and so forth, all these majors are a joke...they are relatively new and where old hippies went to teach, because they couldnt teach a real humanities class like philosphy or history here is an example of the people that run this stuff en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Jeffriesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womens_studies"Women's studies were first born as an academic rubric apart from other departments in the late 1960s, as the second wave of feminism gained political influence in the academy through student and faculty activism" I mean 60s feminists....hmmmmmm...like I said lesbo studies...find out about the curriculum of these classes...they're a joke. --------------------------------------------- --- chstudent wrote: Wow that's a very strong opinion you have there. I would love to know the numbers that back up your statement as I am sure you are uniquely well informed about the mater. --------------------------------------------- --- buckeye4573 wrote: I agree and they should do that for all school.....these studies departments are taught by commies who hate america and arent real classes to begin with.....im just suprised that they were called out by the accredidation board...I thought ped st would get something like this --------------------------------------------- --- ChancellorHouse wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- vancehall wrote: Thorp cannot leave soon enough. His entire tenure as chancellor has been one PR disaster after another. It's time for a strong leader to step in and repair the damage. --------------------------------------------- Here's the repair: Close down the AFAM Dept. It's pretty much bogus anyway and students aren't learning anything in these psuedo-sociological-history courses. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- |
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