Nooooow I got it. We dog a guy when he goes to a school that has over recruited and he won't play immediately (Wiggins), AND dog a guy when he goes to a school that has immediate playing time available (North).


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--- montyt6358 wrote:

I guess we'll just have to wait until Wiggins decides to transfer out of Death Valley...

Clemson has got 4 safeties and 3 cornerbacks committed (so far)...to go with the 3 safeties that they brought in last year...

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:
Your analogy doesn't include the thought process of the guy as he watches his future prom date go out on dates with 5 other dudes.

I can understand being upset that we didn't get him, but man, some of these posts sound overly angry and just malicious in nature.

A lot of scorn for an 18 year-old that nobody here has ever even met before.

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UNC held true to their offer/commitment. Wiggins is the one who milked the attention and then waited to the final day to show himself. I was younger than this kid when I committed to the military. I didn't waiver or reneg once I made the commitment. I later spent many years dealing with enlisted kids just as young as Wiggins, all of whom dealt with tough challenges but showed remarkable integrity. I have no issue with kids who change their minds...just not at the last second where they are the sole beneficiary and others get screwed by their selfishness. If you set the expectation bar low, you get those results, especially from youth. In too much of society today, we accept poor behavior. If the "all about me" actions were ridiculed as they should be, maybe we would see less of it. Football and military both function as teams. Maybe its best to not have the "I" guys in either.

Losing Wiggins hurts because that was a position of need and now the class only has three DB instead of 4. It may not seem like a big deal, but IMO, the two biggest areas for improvement are DB and DL. I flip by any of the guys targetted to play those positions hurts more than missing out on North e.g.. That being said, I like the other three freshmen that will be on the field next year at DB.

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UNC held true to their offer/commitment. Wiggins is the one who milked the attention and then waited to the final day to show himself. I was younger than this kid when I committed to the military. I didn't waiver or reneg once I made the commitment. I later spent many years dealing with enlisted kids just as young as Wiggins, all of whom dealt with tough challenges but showed remarkable integrity. I have no issue with kids who change their minds...just not at the last second where they are the sole beneficiary and others get screwed by their selfishness. If you set the expectation bar low, you get those results, especially from youth. In too much of society today, we accept poor behavior. If the "all about me" actions were ridiculed as they should be, maybe we would see less of it. Football and military both function as teams. Maybe its best to not have the "I" guys in either.

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It aint over ;)
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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Losing Wiggins hurts because that was a position of need and now the class only has three DB instead of 4. It may not seem like a big deal, but IMO, the two biggest areas for improvement are DB and DL. I flip by any of the guys targetted to play those positions hurts more than missing out on North e.g.. That being said, I like the other three freshmen that will be on the field next year at DB.

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We do have preferred Walk-Ons in Dominique Green and Justin F.!!!!!

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Losing Wiggins hurts because that was a position of need and now the class only has three DB instead of 4. It may not seem like a big deal, but IMO, the two biggest areas for improvement are DB and DL. I flip by any of the guys targetted to play those positions hurts more than missing out on North e.g.. That being said, I like the other three freshmen that will be on the field next year at DB.

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:
Your analogy doesn't include the thought process of the guy as he watches his future prom date go out on dates with 5 other dudes.

I can understand being upset that we didn't get him, but man, some of these posts sound overly angry and just malicious in nature.

A lot of scorn for an 18 year-old that nobody here has ever even met before.

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UNC held true to their offer/commitment. Wiggins is the one who milked the attention and then waited to the final day to show himself. I was younger than this kid when I committed to the military. I didn't waiver or reneg once I made the commitment. I later spent many years dealing with enlisted kids just as young as Wiggins, all of whom dealt with tough challenges but showed remarkable integrity. I have no issue with kids who change their minds...just not at the last second where they are the sole beneficiary and others get screwed by their selfishness. If you set the expectation bar low, you get those results, especially from youth. In too much of society today, we accept poor behavior. If the "all about me" actions were ridiculed as they should be, maybe we would see less of it. Football and military both function as teams. Maybe its best to not have the "I" guys in either.

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There's that thought process of this definition of commitment being the same for HS recruiting as it would be to a commitment in other parts of our lives. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. They really should stop using the word because folks just can't get the point that they don't mean the same thing. It's a reservation...that is all it is. No more no less. They erroneously use this "verbal commitment" label as if it means the same thing as we make to our spouses or to a job or to a military commitment. But it doesn't mean the same thing, and it is as conditional as a hotel reservation. If management changes, you can change your reservation. If the building is under construction, you can change your reservation. If the guest has something in his/her schedule/vacation/plans change, it is acceptable to change or cancel the reservation.

Like a hotel, the only thing that the school or kid should request is ample time for notification and this is my personal only beef with a signing day flip. Wiggins probably could have told the staff weeks ago that he wasn't going to sign and that would allowed the staff to recruit another. Alas, it is what it is. But I don't get upset when a kid changes his reservation...err commitment.

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:
Your analogy doesn't include the thought process of the guy as he watches his future prom date go out on dates with 5 other dudes.

I can understand being upset that we didn't get him, but man, some of these posts sound overly angry and just malicious in nature.

A lot of scorn for an 18 year-old that nobody here has ever even met before.

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UNC held true to their offer/commitment. Wiggins is the one who milked the attention and then waited to the final day to show himself. I was younger than this kid when I committed to the military. I didn't waiver or reneg once I made the commitment. I later spent many years dealing with enlisted kids just as young as Wiggins, all of whom dealt with tough challenges but showed remarkable integrity. I have no issue with kids who change their minds...just not at the last second where they are the sole beneficiary and others get screwed by their selfishness. If you set the expectation bar low, you get those results, especially from youth. In too much of society today, we accept poor behavior. If the "all about me" actions were ridiculed as they should be, maybe we would see less of it. Football and military both function as teams. Maybe its best to not have the "I" guys in either.

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As a veteran myself, I can understand your point. But again, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. A military commitment, signed with an oath given, is a little different story than a kid who says "yeah, I'd like to play football here" and then changes his mind after visiting multiple schools. It really didn't come as a shock to anyone on this forum that he chose Clemson, so I'm guessing it definitely came as no surprise to Fedora.

If the kid worked his butt off in the weight room, practice field and classroom to get to this point, I don't have a big problem with him wanting his 15 minutes of fame. I did a lot more foolish stuff than that as an 18 year-old.

If Wiggins was going to flip, why didn't he do it earlier so we could try to find someone else?

I always say the quality of life is determined by the quality of the decisions we make and how we deal with adversity. I hate KW made the decision he did, but I hope it was a quality decision. Think UNC will be fine either way. Good luck KW.

I also have no issue with a kid who changes his mind/reservation, so long as to afford the staff ample time to make other plans. Wiggins did not appear to do so. An early change of heart is especially understandable when the circumstances under which he "committed" change--coaching staff, other commits at his position, change of scheme that could impact PT, etc. But to me, a NSD switch is still nothing more than attention grabbing selfishness unless a kid finds out at the last second that something was misrepresented to him or has some family circumstance that means he needs to stay close to home when perhaps that was not a previous concern. There is zero empathy from such a Diva for the coaches and other potential recruits that are hurt with such a flip on NSD. In the Wiggins case, nothing changed at UNC in the last several months that affected him. He could have and should have made his intentions known earlier than today. The only reason not to do so appears to be his personal thirst for attention and drama. No sympathy here for him, and no excuses allowed. As my old Drill Instructor said, "What's the maximum effective range of an excuse? Zero meters."

Kind of like the Greg Little flip ?
Maybe he wants to major in animal husbandry !

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--- TarHeelAV8R wrote:

But to me, a NSD switch is still nothing more than attention grabbing selfishness unless a kid finds out at the last second that something was misrepresented to him or has some family circumstance that means he needs to stay close to home when perhaps that was not a previous concern. There is zero empathy from such a Diva for the coaches and other potential recruits that are hurt with such a flip on NSD. In the Wiggins case, nothing changed at UNC in the last several months that affected him. He could have and should have made his intentions known earlier than today. The only reason not to do so appears to be his personal thirst for attention and drama. No sympathy here for him, and no excuses allowed. As my old Drill Instructor said, "What's the maximum effective range of an excuse? Zero meters."

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--- GhostOfPBG wrote:

As a veteran myself, I can understand your point. But again, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. A military commitment, signed with an oath given, is a little different story than a kid who says "yeah, I'd like to play football here" and then changes his mind after visiting multiple schools. It really didn't come as a shock to anyone on this forum that he chose Clemson, so I'm guessing it definitely came as no surprise to Fedora.

If the kid worked his butt off in the weight room, practice field and classroom to get to this point, I don't have a big problem with him wanting his 15 minutes of fame. I did a lot more foolish stuff than that as an 18 year-old.

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Why can't signing a national LOI be sufficient for his 15 minutes of fame? He can do that without sticking it to other people like the UNC staff or other potential UNC recruits. Are kids today really so sadly in need of attention that they have to have that NSD drama, especially when they are well aware of what that causes for other people?

I can all but guarantee you that once this kid started shopping around, the coaching staff started looking at contingency plans...

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--- Mayisgreat wrote:

If Wiggins was going to flip, why didn't he do it earlier so we could try to find someone else?

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--- greg1994 wrote:

Kind of like the Greg Little flip ?
Maybe he wants to major in animal husbandry !

Exactly like the Greg Little flip. And we see what sort of character that guy lacked and where it led us. His NSD decision/swap was a red flag. We just didn't realize it at the time.

I'm guessing now that losing Wiggins means that Desmond Lawrence will probably end up at a safety spot...since we seem to have more depth at cornerback.

ive only seen wiggins one time in person...but based on that one game...dominique green that is coming in as a preferred walk-on is better....thats just based off film and one game of wiggins....but i saw green play an entire season

I knew that cat was shady....

Not a huge deal. As a poster stated earlier, we've been the victim and beneficiary of this last minute flip on several occasions. It's the nature of the beast.

It's interesting that Coach Fedora, on ESPNU a few minutes ago, said there were no surprises on signing day.

Either he knew in advance about Wiggins, or he wasn't overly excited about his loss.

1st thing he said was "No major surprises for us today, and thats always a good thing on NSD"

So like many have conjectured, 3 star Wiggins news was either old news to FedEx or he just simply didnt view as a major loss (like a Webb, Tribusky, Logan, Switzer, Drennon , Lawrence etc would have been)

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

It's interesting that Coach Fedora, on ESPNU a few minutes ago, said there were no surprises on signing day.

Either he knew in advance about Wiggins, or he wasn't overly excited about his loss.

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

It's interesting that Coach Fedora, on ESPNU a few minutes ago, said there were no surprises on signing day.

Either he knew in advance about Wiggins, or he wasn't overly excited about his loss.

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Or both. :-)

Wait... Make that 4 safeties and 4 cornerbacks committed...

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--- montyt6358 wrote:

I guess we'll just have to wait until Wiggins decides to transfer out of Death Valley...

Clemson has got 4 safeties and 3 cornerbacks committed (so far)...to go with the 3 safeties that they brought in last year...

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Just listened to Fedora on Dave Glenn's show. He sounds very excited about the class, and said that already JUST TODAY he has spoken personally with over 100 2014 kids with more calls to make. Says their goal is to create an 18 month cycle of establishing relationships with recruits/families and keep the best players from NC home. Was not asked and did not mention what he might do with the two open scholarships remaining.

we lost north to tenn, i can accept finishing 2nd.
we have limited scholarships. wiggins committed a year ago and could have caused other players to look elsewhere.
hope he never see's the field, eff him.

What Wiggins just did, is it any better than what LDII did?

this, if I was going to do this it would not be at the last minute. I would have told the coach that I was going to be looking and to maybe start looking for a backup plan (IN case I pull the plug and signed elsewhere).

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--- Mayisgreat wrote:

If Wiggins was going to flip, why didn't he do it earlier so we could try to find someone else?

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It is better.

LD2 left DURING the season, leaving us thin at a position on a team with only 13 or so players.

I hope Wiggins is happy at Clemson. He gave up a chance to attend UNC.

I wish he would have made his intentions clear earlier as we are short on scholarships.

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--- CowboysHeels1964 wrote:

What Wiggins just did, is it any better than what LDII did?

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Screw LD2 and wiggins, and to wiggins...we ll see you on the field soon

I wish any negative comments towards Korrin will use his name, as there is another Wiggins we are pursuing in a different sport, that could accidentally go on the wrong board and think we don't want him!!!!!!!

Perfect example why an early signing period in late Oct or early Nov is really needed for football.

Trubisky would have been locked up because he knew he was coming. Wiggins would have been seen as a red flag when he didn't sign.

Just another example of the NCAA dropping the ball when the solution is so obvious and so easy.

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--- tdfon wrote:

Perfect example why an early signing period in late Oct or early Nov is really needed for football.

Trubisky would have been locked up because he knew he was coming. Wiggins would have been seen as a red flag when he didn't sign.

Just another example of the NCAA dropping the ball when the solution is so obvious and so easy.

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You heard Fedora talk about it today. Early signing for football is a logical choice…meaning the NCAA will never enact it.

We dog a guy who doesn't picjk UNC... what is so hard to understand? I actually like Clemson (although Chapel Hill buries it)... but Knoxville??? Yeah, you get dogged for having bad taste (or greedy relatives) in that case regardless of whether UNC was after you.

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--- LDHARRIS4 wrote:


Nooooow I got it. We dog a guy when he goes to a school that has over recruited and he won't play immediately (Wiggins), AND dog a guy when he goes to a school that has immediate playing time available (North).


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--- montyt6358 wrote:

I guess we'll just have to wait until Wiggins decides to transfer out of Death Valley...

Clemson has got 4 safeties and 3 cornerbacks committed (so far)...to go with the 3 safeties that they brought in last year...

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No big loss. We'll never hear the kid's name again. Not a special talent.

Such incidents sa this one with Nr, Wiggins occur unfortunately too often today because of the loss of the old concept that a man's word is his bond. Yes, times have changed, unfortunately, but people have not. In days of long ago, a person who gave his word and then reneged was regarded with disfavor. Nowadays, many people justify that person's actions by citing their own foibles as youths, excuse failures to live up to promises and, in making the comparisons, justify in their own minds their own mistakes and misdeeds. We can make our own decisions as to which of these two scenarios makes for a more stable society.

A great man I knew during his lifetime once said, "Dependability is the greatest ability." I subscribe wholeheartedly to that sentiment.

He doesn't want to be here so therefore I don't want him here. I am also not going to vehemently slam him. I just ain't gonna think about him.

Or neither........maybe he just didn't want to admit it.

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

It's interesting that Coach Fedora, on ESPNU a few minutes ago, said there were no surprises on signing day.

Either he knew in advance about Wiggins, or he wasn't overly excited about his loss.

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Or neither........maybe he just didn't want to admit it.

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