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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:16 AM
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I have no problem with kids switching commitments from one college to another, as long as it is a reasonable time before signing. To do it on NSD speaks a lot about an integrity of a person and screws a lot of people. Of course with Wiggins, it was obvious he was looking around a lot, so I assume the coaching staff knew he was going to switch. Overall good class, but a couple of big misses in Wiggins and North.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:16 AM
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Handwriting was on the wall for this one. I said it back in December that Wiggins really wanted to go to the school in S.Carolina. My Hillside source was 100% correct on this.
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--- IslanderHeel wrote:
what a punk=Wiggins. committed all this time then switches. we could have made other plans. or at least offered Alston as a safety. this blows.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:17 AM
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Wiggins is a basketball player ;)
Oh well, I love the guys we did sign.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:18 AM
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I'm sure the coaches were expecting this and have a backup plan.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:20 AM
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The fact is he committed to UNC on Feb 9th 2012, stayed committed until National Signing Day then signed with someone else. Shows the type of person he is...I'll leave it at that. It's not like he was some super great athlete, based on the rankings a little better than average player that wanted some attention.
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He is a class act isnt he?? What a loser!!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:22 AM
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:24 AM
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Wiggins has potential, but he wasn't our highest rated recruit or anything. Safety and RAM are positions of need, but lots of folks see Desmond Miles as a safety instead of corner. Hopefully Joe Jackson and Clint Heaven come out of redshirts on fire.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:25 AM
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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In some ways, yes. You definitely feel for the school that guys leave in the lurch, but ultimately you're right - there is a double-standard here.
Recruiting is fickle; kids change their minds all the time. Sometimes it's in your favor, and sometimes it isn't. Wiggins isn't the first, he certainly won't be the last, and as a fan base we'll all move on...unless he becomes a superstar.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:26 AM
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:27 AM
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Greg Little comes to mind...
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--- UNCSteve wrote:
Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:28 AM
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i think we have to keep Rankin in mind here, too. kid is going to be a player... showed real glimpses of that this year. Ball-hawks and ends up in a lot of plays.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:30 AM
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So i wonder who gets the 2 schollys from north and wiggins.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:33 AM
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I believe Greg Little committed to Notre Dame in November of 2006 then switched to UNC in Feb 2007.
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Greg Little comes to mind...
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:33 AM
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I think there is some overreacting going on here. I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Fedora and company didn't see this coming quite some time ago. I'm sure the staff had even talked with Wiggins about it. For all we know, Wiggins told them weeks ago that he was probably gonna back out.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:37 AM
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eff him.
Go Heels.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:38 AM
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juat saying you should have enough respect for the coach youre getting ready to stab in the back the respect of notifying him at least 24 hrs before NSD youre going somewhere else so he can make plans for a backup...He may have done that, it doesnt sound like it.
You wait til NSD and the coach may loose out on Plan B.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:39 AM
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So the length of prior commitment is what matters? There were also folks on this board that were pissed when Weslye Saunders' dad wouldn't let him de-commit from SCar and commit to the Heels on NSD.
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I believe Greg Little committed to Notre Dame in November of 2006 then switched to UNC in Feb 2007.
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--- montyt6358 wrote:
Greg Little comes to mind...
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:39 AM
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I hear ya, but these are teens and MUCH of blame is media and the stupid amount of hype on TV etc.
These kids want to be THAT guy on ESPN pulling a hat out on last day etc etc.
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I have no problem with kids switching commitments from one college to another, as long as it is a reasonable time before signing. To do it on NSD speaks a lot about an integrity of a person and screws a lot of people. Of course with Wiggins, it was obvious he was looking around a lot, so I assume the coaching staff knew he was going to switch. Overall good class, but a couple of big misses in Wiggins and North.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:40 AM
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And klemson already has 2 safety committed. J.Johnson and D. O'Daniel. I dont get it but gud luck..
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:42 AM
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hey, I got an idea! Let's ignore all the threads about players who actually signed with UNC and continue to comment on the thread about the one putz who changed his mind away from UNC on signing day. A football recruit changed his mind on signing day. It only happens every year.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:43 AM
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Don't forget we have a Preferred Walk-On in Dominique Green that is a DB and was a 3 Star out of High School!!!!!!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:44 AM
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I think that a NSD change is indeed a reflection of a kid's character, or lack of it. If I were a coach, I would put it to them like this: if your senior prom date waited until 3 PM the day of the event to tell you that she was going with another guy, how would you feel? Only, this is not a one night event, this is a four year "date." Oh, and that last minute NSD change of commitment not only screws the coaches who have invested so much time and attention to you, but also screws over some OTHER kid who COULD have had your spot and really, unquestionably would have taken it but had to go somewhere else because YOU, with your selfish "it's all about me" attitude, waited until the final day. So somewhere later in life, if/when what goes around comes around in a Karma sort of way and Mr. Wiggins finds himself on the short end of a promise made but broken at the last possible second, I hope he reflects on today and then understands the meaning of integrity. Too many of these kids simply want to be a Drama Diva and making the excuse that "they're just kids" is nothing more than rationalizing that.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:45 AM
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We've lost some today too..
Both squads have enough talent to win and win big, we both need to start next season off slapping the sec in the face. Watching this love fest on espnu is exhausting.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:47 AM
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Agree.
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I think that a NSD change is indeed a reflection of a kid's character, or lack of it. If I were a coach, I would put it to them like this: if your senior prom date waited until 3 PM the day of the event to tell you that she was going with another guy, how would you feel? Only, this is not a one night event, this is a four year "date." Oh, and that last minute NSD change of commitment not only screws the coaches who have invested so much time and attention to you, but also screws over some OTHER kid who COULD have had your spot and really, unquestionably would have taken it but had to go somewhere else because YOU, with your selfish "it's all about me" attitude, waited until the final day. So somewhere later in life, if/when what goes around comes around in a Karma sort of way and Mr. Wiggins finds himself on the short end of a promise made but broken at the last possible second, I hope he reflects on today and then understands the meaning of integrity. Too many of these kids simply want to be a Drama Diva and making the excuse that "they're just kids" is nothing more than rationalizing that.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:48 AM
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I couldn't have said it better!!!!
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I think that a NSD change is indeed a reflection of a kid's character, or lack of it. If I were a coach, I would put it to them like this: if your senior prom date waited until 3 PM the day of the event to tell you that she was going with another guy, how would you feel? Only, this is not a one night event, this is a four year "date." Oh, and that last minute NSD change of commitment not only screws the coaches who have invested so much time and attention to you, but also screws over some OTHER kid who COULD have had your spot and really, unquestionably would have taken it but had to go somewhere else because YOU, with your selfish "it's all about me" attitude, waited until the final day. So somewhere later in life, if/when what goes around comes around in a Karma sort of way and Mr. Wiggins finds himself on the short end of a promise made but broken at the last possible second, I hope he reflects on today and then understands the meaning of integrity. Too many of these kids simply want to be a Drama Diva and making the excuse that "they're just kids" is nothing more than rationalizing that.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:52 AM
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Don't forget we have a Preferred Walk-On in Donquell Green that is a DB and was a 3 Star out of High School!!!!!!
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Hopefully we give this kid a scholarship. Players that want to be here should be rewarded
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:56 AM
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Josh Adams.
Kids switch. It is not worth getting carried away with. People will kill this player for it, then celebrate the kid we flip. All of a sudden character isn't such a big deal. I've been around long enough to have forgotten flips we got that never panned out and flips we lost that never panned out.
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:57 AM
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That is a great question. Of course we are usually happy if someone switches to us last minute. Once again, speaks to their integrity. Greg Little switched to us last minute and look what he turned out to be. I would prefer we not get those guys, more trouble than they are worth. Not 100% of them are bad apples, but I would venture a guess majority of those who switch on NSD are head cases or have parents that coaches probably wish they didn't have to deal with.
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:58 AM
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unfortunate. unsure of his potential as a football player, but wiggins seemed or seems like a good kid, and from what i read he is a smart kid. good luck to him.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 10:59 AM
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I'd rather a kid switch and be happy than remain a Heel and be miserably unhappy.
It's his life and his decision to make. He's the one that must live with it. Now let's talk about the great class and kids that did commit.
GO HEELS!!!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:00 AM
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Word. I hope one day real soon it's the Tigers and UNC playing for the ACC on a consistent basis.
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We've lost some today too..
Both squads have enough talent to win and win big, we both need to start next season off slapping the sec in the face. Watching this love fest on espnu is exhausting.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:00 AM
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I wonder how many UNC basketball games Wiggins got to see as a UNC commit, probably knowing all along that he wouldn't be coming here.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:01 AM
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Looking forward to the day when Francis, Logan and Switzer blows past Wiggins for a TD.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:02 AM
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It's a shame that the one bit of signing day drama that we had this year ended on a negative note...but that shouldn't put a damper on what was a very good day overall for the Tar Heels!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:06 AM
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I think that a NSD change is indeed a reflection of a kid's character, or lack of it. If I were a coach, I would put it to them like this: if your senior prom date waited until 3 PM the day of the event to tell you that she was going with another guy, how would you feel? Only, this is not a one night event, this is a four year "date." Oh, and that last minute NSD change of commitment not only screws the coaches who have invested so much time and attention to you, but also screws over some OTHER kid who COULD have had your spot and really, unquestionably would have taken it but had to go somewhere else because YOU, with your selfish "it's all about me" attitude, waited until the final day. So somewhere later in life, if/when what goes around comes around in a Karma sort of way and Mr. Wiggins finds himself on the short end of a promise made but broken at the last possible second, I hope he reflects on today and then understands the meaning of integrity. Too many of these kids simply want to be a Drama Diva and making the excuse that "they're just kids" is nothing more than rationalizing that.
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Your analogy doesn't include the thought process of the guy as he watches his future prom date go out on dates with 5 other dudes.
I can understand being upset that we didn't get him, but man, some of these posts sound overly angry and just malicious in nature.
A lot of scorn for an 18 year-old that nobody here has ever even met before.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:18 AM
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Pretty sure you're wrong about Adams. If I recall correctly, he did commit on signing day...of his junior year. He was the first commitment of that class, rated as an early high 4 star. Because he committed so early, he didn't need to raise his stock attending camps, etc and his rating suffered a bit. He obviously stuck with his commitment and signed his LOI on signing day the following year.
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Josh Adams.
Kids switch. It is not worth getting carried away with. People will kill this player for it, then celebrate the kid we flip. All of a sudden character isn't such a big deal. I've been around long enough to have forgotten flips we got that never panned out and flips we lost that never panned out.
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:18 AM
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One thing you have to remember with recruiting is these are kids and not grown men. I think Wiggins got caught up in the excitement when Francis committed, and wanted to be a part of it.
I'm less worried about recruiting with Fedora then I was with Butch.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:18 AM
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Greg Little comes to mind...
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Were all of you this pissed when folks switched their commitment to us on NSD?
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I'm not sure how many were committed to another school for a year then signed with the Heels. Refresh my memory.
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FWIW, there was a coaching change at UNC that year when Davis replaced Bunting; I honestly have no problem w/ kids switching when this occurs.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:25 AM
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I guess we'll just have to wait until Wiggins decides to transfer out of Death Valley...
Clemson has got 4 safeties and 3 cornerbacks committed (so far)...to go with the 3 safeties that they brought in last year...
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:31 AM
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He probably wont get a lot of film for NFL to see of him at clemson for a few years, but hey, I understand sitting on bench watching/looking at 81,500 fans cheering cant be fun. make that 81,501. ;)
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I guess we'll just have to wait until Wiggins decides to transfer out of Death Valley...
Clemson has got 4 safeties and 3 cornerbacks committed (so far)...to go with the 3 safeties that they brought in last year...
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