I guess it took almost a month for this to be figured out and the info. to be passed down to us peasants!!!!!

Once again, the ignorance ITT is beyond amazing.

From what I understand, the staff was very up front with Golson about there eventually being two QB's in the class. That being said, I think the investigation spooked Golson and the lure that his #2 choice (Notre Dame) having a) ZERO QB commits at that point and b) no ongoing NCAA investigation, was just too attractive.

Could we have shown him more love at the expense of MW? Probably, but there was nothing to indicate that Golson would have this much of a better career (at least up to this point).

ETA that MW was flirting with a lot of other schools in December (weeks prior to his early enrollment date). Recall that it was through him that we basically found out about how other schools were "negatively recruiting" against us whatever that means. But it was common knowledge that if MW did leave, we would probably have to go with Plan C, and Vad Lee was probably going to be that guy. So while it doesn't completely describe all the factors involved with the loss of other recruits, there is truth to the statement that having MW in that class played a role in both Golson and Lee going to ND and GT, respectively. So in a way, it is much more than JUST MW that we would have sacrificed if the totality of his on field contributions to UNC football is the few snaps that he took in the 2012 season.

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--- jimmydaheel wrote:

We didn't pass on Golson...

I think he may have been a little put off by how hard the staff was working to secure a commitment from a second QB in the same class. Let alone an NC kid. Kids often feel the flagship University of a state will give the home state kid first shot at a starting job. And honestly, that happens.

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This is what I refer to as passing on him. We showed clear preference to Marquise over Golson. Both were 4* and Golson felt betrayed because he was such an early commit to the class and was completely loyal, but the staff wasn't satisfied with him.

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I'll just leave these three videos here. Still the best HS QB tape I have ever seen. MW was raw and fits within the context of the "combine era" about measurables and potential. Golson was a proven product. That being said, the argument about the pro-style offense was legitimate, and hindsight is 20/20 because Golson would be perfect for Fedora's offense.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcd0CED1yKI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fs_-y6_kyg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjMvJpaFAE

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Could we have shown him more love at the expense of MW? Probably, but there was nothing to indicate that Golson would have this much of a better career (at least up to this point).

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--- jimmydaheel wrote:

We didn't pass on Golson...

I think he may have been a little put off by how hard the staff was working to secure a commitment from a second QB in the same class. Let alone an NC kid. Kids often feel the flagship University of a state will give the home state kid first shot at a starting job. And honestly, that happens.

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This is what I refer to as passing on him. We showed clear preference to Marquise over Golson. Both were 4* and Golson felt betrayed because he was such an early commit to the class and was completely loyal, but the staff wasn't satisfied with him.

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Whole lot of wrong on this thread. First off we didn't pass up Golson, it was the other way around he passed us up. Secondly, North and Williams never played together and as far as I know they aren't even friends. Lastly, I believe this is definitely an academic issue and not Williams leaving because of the depth chart. Williams had some pretty amazing runs out of the wildcat this past year, he surprised me with how quick he is and he had some power. Definitely has the potential to be a RB if QB doesn't work out for him.

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First, while we obviously didn't rescind Golson's scholarship offer, we showed clear preference to another player over him and constructively passed on him. This is why he in turn decommitted.

Secondly, Williams and North are friends and Williams has been an asset in his recruitment.

Finally, Williams has no potential as a RB. He is not a natural runner, but a QB scrambler. His frame isn't built whatsoever to be a RB.

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You're crazy if you don't think the NCAA investigation had a lot to do with Golson not coming here.

As for Marquise not having the frame to be a RB, I'm not sure what you're seeing. He has a very similar frame to AJ Blue. He's a solid 220 pounds already and has powerful legs. Plus, he was basically a RB this past year. Running from the wildcat is essentially the same as being a RB, and he showed plenty of natural running ability.

_andrewcarter: #UNC coach Larry Fedora says Williams is "still a member of this football team." Anticipates he'll re-enroll in summer.

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As for Marquise not having the frame to be a RB, I'm not sure what you're seeing. He's on the taller end for RBs but certainly there are plenty of 6 foot 2 guys playing the position. He's a solid 220 pounds already and has powerful legs. Plus, he was basically a RB this past year. Running from the wildcat is essentially the same as being a RB, and he showed plenty of natural running ability.

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He is 6'4" and running from the wildcat is not "essentially the same" as being a RB. Do you think Tebow/Kaepernick/RG3- 6'2", 220/Cam could be RBs because they run from the Wildcat?

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His future is at running back. I know he has a passable throwing game, but #12 was on of the three best running backs on the squad last year. He's the second coming of Ethan Horton that one is.

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My thoughts exactly !

Play him at running back
Play him at wide receiver/slot
Play him at wildcat QB

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--- McauleyStreet wrote:

His future is at running back. I know he has a passable throwing game, but #12 was on of the three best running backs on the squad last year. He's the second coming of Ethan Horton that one is.

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My thoughts exactly !

Play him at running back
Play him at wide receiver/slot
Play him at wildcat QB

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So you're saying he was better than AJ or Romar?

I wondered with North whether his decision may have had anything to do with Marquise. I hope he re-enrolls, seems like I'm the only one on this board who still has any faith he can be a good QB for us.

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--- HeelinBoone wrote:

As for Marquise not having the frame to be a RB, I'm not sure what you're seeing. He's on the taller end for RBs but certainly there are plenty of 6 foot 2 guys playing the position. He's a solid 220 pounds already and has powerful legs. Plus, he was basically a RB this past year. Running from the wildcat is essentially the same as being a RB, and he showed plenty of natural running ability.

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He is 6'4" and running from the wildcat is not "essentially the same" as being a RB. Do you think Tebow/Kaepernick/RG3- 6'2", 220/Cam could be RBs because they run from the Wildcat?

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LOL, he is not 6'4 are we talking about the same player come on now. In our offense, the RB is going to get his carries out of the shotgun position 95% of the time. The only difference between Marquise and the RBs were that he got a direct snap instead of a handoff. After that it is all natural running ability, which Marquise displayed plenty of. He is built powerfully I really don't see how you can claim he doesn't have the frame to be a RB makes no sense.

So, as others have hinted, it may be due more to academics. Hopefully so and he can get the situation straightened out.

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_andrewcarter: #UNC coach Larry Fedora says Williams is "still a member of this football team." Anticipates he'll re-enroll in summer.

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Maybe I am over simplifying things a little, but it seems to me that with Coach Fedora saying "he is still on the team", and "anticipates he will re-enroll in the summer", to me that says it's an academic issue. I would think if he was thinking about transfering, the news wouldn't have broke until he already had another school lined up and he would not still be "on the team"

Come on back and we will welcome you with open arms.

IC needs to get with the program. This news was posted on prickpride yesterday. SMH

If MW lands in the NFL, and I hope he does, it won't be at QB. Good luck to MW where ever it is.

Sounds like a semester of academic probation. Hope to see him back for summer classes.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. There is no such thing as a proven product on the HS level at least as it relates to college football.

As you point out, the highlight video is just part of the evaluation process. The playing styles of each player was very different--MW didn't throw the ball nearly as much as Golson (and it shows today). However, Williams had enough upside to be every bit of the same level of recruit that Golson was at the timing and the proof is in the offers that both accumulated and the rankings that each had. You can poo-poo the rankings now if you'd like, but you can't argue with the offers (I copied this from MAC TTP's Big Board in 2011:

Golson: CLEM, SC, UNC, VT, GA, STAN, MICH, DUKE (likely shortened due to early commitment to UNC)
MW: UNC, CAL, MICH, ND, NCSU, SC, VA, VT, WF, FL, MIA, DUKE, TN

I am not a talent evaluator and I'll defer to the experts (D1 coaches) on this one. While Golson's videos are impressive (can't see the ones you linked at work but I have seen some in the past), Williams were impressive as well IIRC. Both kids received some impressive offers (see above) which justified their near identical star rating.

Again, you've got hindsight in your favor as evidence that there was "something" to suggest Golson was a better prospect, but 2010 is not that far away for me to recall thinking that they were BOTH very good prospects and that we would be good with either.

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I'll just leave these three videos here. Still the best HS QB tape I have ever seen. MW was raw and fits within the context of the "combine era" about measurables and potential. Golson was a proven product. That being said, the argument about the pro-style offense was legitimate, and hindsight is 20/20 because Golson would be perfect for Fedora's offense.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcd0CED1yKI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fs_-y6_kyg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjMvJpaFAE

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--- CornbreadandCollards wrote:

Could we have shown him more love at the expense of MW? Probably, but there was nothing to indicate that Golson would have this much of a better career (at least up to this point).

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--- jimmydaheel wrote:

We didn't pass on Golson...

I think he may have been a little put off by how hard the staff was working to secure a commitment from a second QB in the same class. Let alone an NC kid. Kids often feel the flagship University of a state will give the home state kid first shot at a starting job. And honestly, that happens.

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This is what I refer to as passing on him. We showed clear preference to Marquise over Golson. Both were 4* and Golson felt betrayed because he was such an early commit to the class and was completely loyal, but the staff wasn't satisfied with him.

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I said during the season that I would love to see him get a few series in the normal offense. Every time but once or twice when he threw, he took the snap and ran the ball with no fakes to a running back and still did very well running. Wish he had a chance to run the option, throw a a couple of short passes and run when it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would run. I don't know about struggles with playbook or any of that, I just admired him for going in with the few chances that he received and running hard when called on.

A QB backs out of his verbal to UNC when he has a chance to go to Notre Dame and this is some sort of mystery? Not any more mysterious than a basketball player opting out of a verbal to Notre Dame when he has a chance to play for UNC.

Yup agree. And he made right choice didnt he?

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A QB backs out of his verbal to UNC when he has a chance to go to Notre Dame and this is some sort of mystery? Not any more mysterious than a basketball player opting out of a verbal to Notre Dame when he has a chance to play for UNC.

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i've heard all of the reasons golson opted to go to nd but he didn't decommit until williams committed which tells me he didn't want the competition and chose the school with no commits. nd.

The plot thickens just before signing day. Does that free up a scholly?

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--- McauleyStreet wrote:

His future is at running back. I know he has a passable throwing game, but #12 was on of the three best running backs on the squad last year. He's the second coming of Ethan Horton that one is.

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My thoughts exactly !

Play him at running back
Play him at wide receiver/slot
Play him at wildcat QB

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So you're saying he was better than AJ or Romar?

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No, I'm saying he has the talent to play multiple positions.The Ethan Horton comparison is a good one. He was recruited as a QB,converted to TB (and excelled!),and became a solid TE in the NFL.

I'm simply saying, put him on the field and get the ball to him in some form or fashion.

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I wondered with North whether his decision may have had anything to do with Marquise.
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Why would it?

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--- AlreadyHome wrote:

The plot thickens just before signing day. Does that free up a scholly?

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No, we can only sign 19. We had 20 until the NCAA dipped into is reserve of BS.

Fedora could give it to a walk-on since he cannot use it to sign a player.

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--- HeelinBoone wrote:

As for Marquise not having the frame to be a RB, I'm not sure what you're seeing. He's on the taller end for RBs but certainly there are plenty of 6 foot 2 guys playing the position. He's a solid 220 pounds already and has powerful legs. Plus, he was basically a RB this past year. Running from the wildcat is essentially the same as being a RB, and he showed plenty of natural running ability.

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He is 6'4" and running from the wildcat is not "essentially the same" as being a RB. Do you think Tebow/Kaepernick/RG3- 6'2", 220/Cam could be RBs because they run from the Wildcat?

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LOL, he is not 6'4 are we talking about the same player come on now. In our offense, the RB is going to get his carries out of the shotgun position 95% of the time. The only difference between Marquise and the RBs were that he got a direct snap instead of a handoff. After that it is all natural running ability, which Marquise displayed plenty of. He is built powerfully I really don't see how you can claim he doesn't have the frame to be a RB makes no sense.

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He was originally listed as 6'4". This was one of the primary differentiating factors between he and Golson during their recruitment. I see now that his height is listed as 6'2" after arriving on campus. His lower body is not powerfully built. He has skinny legs and his body is not that thick. I would love for you to show me some evidence of his weight room stats to the contrary. Suffice it to say, he is not Brandon Jacobs or AJ blue.

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I wondered with North whether his decision may have had anything to do with Marquise.
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Why would it?

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Same high school

This was not BS NCAA this is a rule that has been n place. We should have known this was likely to happen and most likely did know. With the loss of North really it is not a big deal we have one more year of restrictions we will be fine. Ironic in a way Butch Davis used this exception to great advantage at the U. It was after that the rule went into place.
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--- AlreadyHome wrote:

The plot thickens just before signing day. Does that free up a scholly?

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No, we can only sign 19. We had 20 until the NCAA dipped into is reserve of BS.

Fedora could give it to a walk-on since he cannot use it to sign a player.

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Wouldn't be surprised if it is academic related. His high school tutor and guidance couselor (two different people) are neighbors and both told me before Quise even got on campus that he would struggle UNC. The counselor was trying to direct him to VT as they have (what she says) is a much better academic support program for the athletes.

I wonder if the recent decision to cut tutor assistance to the athletes has anything to do with this?

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...I see now that his height is listed as 6'2" after arriving on campus. His lower body is not powerfully built. He has skinny legs and his body is not that thick. I would love for you to show me some evidence of his weight room stats to the contrary. Suffice it to say, he is not Brandon Jacobs or AJ blue.

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MW 6-2 215
AJ 6-2 225

Jacobs 6-4 264

I'd say MW is MUCH closer to AJ than either is to Brandon Jacobs.

if you go back and watch the VT Basketball game from saturday, you will see marquise behind the VT bench with Black and VT color jump suit on

Smith came to the FB team on his own and attended UNC to run track. He played FB because of injuries. The BS is the rule has no exceptions (save FBS level schools). Fedora potentially lost a future player so someone could play in a handful of games with virtually no impact.

The premise of the rule was to stop using schollys from other sports to stockpile talent, I agree with this, but in our case the player never intended to play FB. The rule also penalizes a 2013 recruit who cannot receive an offer.

You are correct nobody knew this may be an issue.

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This was not BS NCAA this is a rule that has been n place. We should have known this was likely to happen and most likely did know. With the loss of North really it is not a big deal we have one more year of restrictions we will be fine. Ironic in a way Butch Davis used this exception to great advantage at the U. It was after that the rule went into place.
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--- AlreadyHome wrote:

The plot thickens just before signing day. Does that free up a scholly?

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No, we can only sign 19. We had 20 until the NCAA dipped into is reserve of BS.

Fedora could give it to a walk-on since he cannot use it to sign a player.

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Not to panic.

This is apparently an "academic matter".

Understand he will be back in summer school.

Please enlighten me as to how a player not being enrolled for a semester can be an "academic matter".

Is he enrolled somewhere else, like taking a semester at NC State to get his grades up?

Other than the cheap shot at NC State, this is a serious question.

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--- philipspencer wrote:

Please enlighten me as to how a player not being enrolled for a semester can be an "academic matter".

Is he enrolled somewhere else, like taking a semester at NC State to get his grades up?

Other than the cheap shot at NC State, this is a serious question.

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This link explains UNC policies.

studentsuccess.unc.edu/academi...ity/ineligible/

Hope he is happy whether at UNC or elsewhere.

When I saw him run, I imagined Bryn's arm and MW's legs on one QB.

Hope that is what Trubinsky and Coker will bring.

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Dont't know the reason, BUT, He 'knows' Coker and Tribusky are ahead of him. I doubt he returns.

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I'd like to see Coker get some snaps this season.

I too have this question? I could see sitting out the sport while you focus only on grades, but is this some academic punishment?

Or yeah, will he go to NCeST for a$$-clown apparel 101 for a quick A?

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--- philipspencer wrote:

Please enlighten me as to how a player not being enrolled for a semester can be an "academic matter".

Is he enrolled somewhere else, like taking a semester at NC State to get his grades up?

Other than the cheap shot at NC State, this is a serious question.

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They didn't play together North transferred to Mallard Creek his junior year MW was redshirting at UNC at that time.

I know nothing about Marquise's situation, but you can get suspended for a semester for cheating

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I too have this question? I could see sitting out the sport while you focus only on grades, but is this some academic punishment?

Or yeah, will he go to NCeST for a$$-clown apparel 101 for a quick A?

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--- philipspencer wrote:

Please enlighten me as to how a player not being enrolled for a semester can be an "academic matter".

Is he enrolled somewhere else, like taking a semester at NC State to get his grades up?

Other than the cheap shot at NC State, this is a serious question.

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