I'm going to take a lot of heat for this one in Gamecock land. Most here on InsideCarolina will not be happy if UNC goes to the B1G, if a change is made, I know.

I played it right up the middle, looking at all aspects from the big picture, and taking in both perspectives when more than one is referenced. I look forward to your feedback.

meetmeatthe50.com/home.cfm?fea...;postid=3380402

Don't mean to shoot you down, but I think the only possible conclusion you can draw from recent events, statements, and body language is that UNC stays a member of the ACC until the ACC is no more.

Put another way, UNC NEVER leaves the ACC. Whether that is good, bad, or neutral does not matter. It is simply the way that it is.

Is there some prize I don't know about - be the 100th poster to start some rumor about conference realignment ?

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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We will see 53'.......bet you were like the vast majority of us who didn't see Maryland leaving.

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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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You are correct on exactly nothing. And I am not trying to flame you.

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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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So, I can pay whatever it costs per month to get a URL, start a blog, and then come on IC and direct people to that blog. Interesting.

I've said frm the beggining of this crapfest UNC would stay in the ACC until the doors cloase. I've seen plenty of posts saying "It's over, we must leave now" for several years. So remind me why I should I believe anymore of the SOS because UM made a mistake and in return the Conference got an upgrade?
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

We will see 53'.......bet you were like the vast majority of us who didn't see Maryland leaving.

The fans who think that they can expertly predict what the conference realignments will be or not be is becoming laughable



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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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First 53' I think Shadow Spawn was spot on in his assessment of your post .

If the ACC doors "cloase" I should hope we pick the best course for our revenue generating sports, and that would be the SEC. The academics will take care of themselves, aided in part by, I believe, generous amounts of revenue coming from in the SEC. You don't know any more than anybody else on the board, and you're apparently to dumb to see that I was merely speculating.



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--- UNCsince53 wrote:


I've said frm the beggining of this crapfest UNC would stay in the ACC until the doors cloase. I've seen plenty of posts saying "It's over, we must leave now" for several years. So remind me why I should I believe anymore of the SOS because UM made a mistake and in return the Conference got an upgrade?
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

We will see 53'.......bet you were like the vast majority of us who didn't see Maryland leaving.

The fans who think that they can expertly predict what the conference realignments will be or not be is becoming laughable



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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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Let it be noted:

Another week has passed without UVA going somewhere else.

So much for that West Virginia crowd.

The same Big 12fools will believe it will happen, the same as the WVU idiots and the B10 nitwits. Meanwhile the twits on thisw Board who claim we need to jump off cliffs will be wearing ACC sweaters for decades to come and still claiming "I know it's coming, I know it's coming...."

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

Let it be noted:

Another week has passed without UVA going somewhere else.

So much for that West Virginia crowd.

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--- kirksdad66 wrote:
I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

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Well except for SCar*. They can eat ****... except for Doug of course. ;-)


* perhaps Tenn too... haven't really considered this issue until now. I think I can deal with them, but they do have the potential to **** me off. Kentucky, in hoops, will not get any such treatment either.

Not to worry Professor - that sentiment would be 100% reciprocal :)

It's called mutually despisedmiration.

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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

First 53' I think Shadow Spawn was spot on in his assessment of your post .

If the ACC doors "cloase" I should hope we pick the best course for our revenue generating sports, and that would be the SEC. The academics will take care of themselves, aided in part by, I believe, generous amounts of revenue coming from in the SEC. You don't know any more than anybody else on the board, and you're apparently to dumb to see that I was merely speculating.



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--- UNCsince53 wrote:


I've said frm the beggining of this crapfest UNC would stay in the ACC until the doors cloase. I've seen plenty of posts saying "It's over, we must leave now" for several years. So remind me why I should I believe anymore of the SOS because UM made a mistake and in return the Conference got an upgrade?
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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

We will see 53'.......bet you were like the vast majority of us who didn't see Maryland leaving.

The fans who think that they can expertly predict what the conference realignments will be or not be is becoming laughable



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--- UNCsince53 wrote:

Sorry to disagree, but it does NOT hinge on ND period. It hinges on the various Universities taking the log term view at what fits best for their Universities. The Big 12 is not a fit for anyone, the B10 is not a fit for anyhone except possibly GT and they aren't really shopping around. So unless the SEC does something no one expects, which is acourt FSU and Clemson, the ACC is safe. and should thrive. The garbage coming from people pretending to know the ACC schools is becoming laughable.



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--- kirksdad66 wrote:

Doug;

The vast majority of fans on this board, including this one, prefer to join the SEC. Your points about our ACC conference rivals and us not pulling for each other are in context, correct, I'd see Heel fans joining in the SEC vs. the wold mantra pretty quickly.

the ACC' s life expectancy seems to hinge on the exit fee and status of ND as full conference member. If the powers that be proclaim that no independent can complete in National Championship Football Game without being a member of conference, then I believe the ACC may survive. Just my thoughts....flame away !!!!!!!

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Ah, a "poast" about when the doors "cloase." I believe I'll try to earn a 6th college degree so I can teach a class in "IC-ese As A Second Language."

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Not to worry Professor - that sentiment would be 100% reciprocal :)

It's called mutually despisedmiration.

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I don't hate the Gamecocks, kev.

I just want Carolina to stomp a mudhole in them everytime we play, in every sport we play. :)

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--- kevk11 wrote:

Not to worry Professor - that sentiment would be 100% reciprocal :)

It's called mutually despisedmiration.

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I don't hate the Gamecocks, kev.

I just want Carolina to stomp a mudhole in them everytime we play, in every sport we play. :)

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I will have to admit that before following this forum over the last 2 weeks, I knew very little about the attitudes and preferences of UNC fan & Alumni. After discovering mbd.scout through a Google search on college expansion, these forums (specifically the Tar Heels site) captivated me. I had no idea that we shared so much in common, especially our dislike of USC!

Before following you forum, I began to discover the affinity that y’all held for other southern schools in comparison to other regions of the country. In all fairness, I never even thought of the possibility that UNC could become a member of the SEC until I saw the idea posted on OutKickTheCoverage, MrSEC & The Sporting News websites. Personally, I value the relationship that the SEC & ACC share. There’s nothing like regional rivalries between teams, throw conference affiliation in the mix too and it’s what makes college football so special.

While I (and most of my SEC brethren) don’t want the ACC to change, the reality is that the possibility exists. After seeing y’alls passion for the sport, rivalries and southern pride on display in your forums, I’ve come to the conclusion that IF the worst case scenario were to take place, y’all will fit in perfectly with the SEC if that’s where y’all decide to go. While I don’t want your hand to be forced, I can say that I am genuinely intrigued at the thought of UNC and one other (Duke, UVA or VT) being part of the SEC.

Question for y’all, if this were to take place, what details, experiences and/or thoughts do you think you would most look forward to in SEC life?

Kevk11;

Just for me, I'm willing to risk the trashtalk and such to join the best athletic conference. I'm sure that if UNC became a SEC member I'd fall right into line was SEC First SEC Always. I would personally glad to transfer our most heated rival flag to SouthCarolina in football. I've been fortunate to see several games in Columbia, loved it, rooster crows and all.

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--- kevk11 wrote:

Not to worry Professor - that sentiment would be 100% reciprocal :)

It's called mutually despisedmiration.

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

Let it be noted:

Another week has passed without UVA going somewhere else.

So much for that West Virginia crowd.

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The WVU crowd ain't the only ones talking about UVA:

www.mrsec.com/2013/01/with-exp...os-for-the-sec/

Here's a quote from that linked article:

"Supposing this next round of expansion becomes a full-on landgrab, all bets are off in terms of who lands where. Seriously, the politics involved make cat-wrangling easier than figuring our who’d end up where in 20-team conferences. Still, we suspect Virginia will head to Big Ten eventually as we’ve heard tell of UVA-Jim Delany discussion from SEC sources, industry sources, and even an ACC source. So we should probably scratch the Cavaliers."

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

Let it be noted:

Another week has passed without UVA going somewhere else.

So much for that West Virginia crowd.

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The WVU crowd ain't the only ones talking about UVA:

www.mrsec.com/2013/01/with-exp...os-for-the-sec/

Here's a quote from that linked article:

"Supposing this next round of expansion becomes a full-on landgrab, all bets are off in terms of who lands where. Seriously, the politics involved make cat-wrangling easier than figuring our who’d end up where in 20-team conferences. Still, we suspect Virginia will head to Big Ten eventually as we’ve heard tell of UVA-Jim Delany discussion from SEC sources, industry sources, and even an ACC source. So we should probably scratch the Cavaliers."

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Mr SEC has gone full blown kook himself. He used to be a good read regarding realignment, but, he's jumped the shark now, too.

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--- TylerBloodyTyler wrote:

Don't mean to shoot you down, but I think the only possible conclusion you can draw from recent events, statements, and body language is that UNC stays a member of the ACC until the ACC is no more.

Put another way, UNC NEVER leaves the ACC. Whether that is good, bad, or neutral does not matter. It is simply the way that it is.

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this is correct...

the last thing they want in South Building is some public perception that they are now chasing the sports dollar...

if the status quo is changed it won't be because UNC set the ball in motion...

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--- WonderWarthog wrote:

Let it be noted:

Another week has passed without UVA going somewhere else.

So much for that West Virginia crowd.

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The WVU crowd ain't the only ones talking about UVA:

www.mrsec.com/2013/01/with-exp...os-for-the-sec/

Here's a quote from that linked article:

"Supposing this next round of expansion becomes a full-on landgrab, all bets are off in terms of who lands where. Seriously, the politics involved make cat-wrangling easier than figuring our who’d end up where in 20-team conferences. Still, we suspect Virginia will head to Big Ten eventually as we’ve heard tell of UVA-Jim Delany discussion from SEC sources, industry sources, and even an ACC source. So we should probably scratch the Cavaliers."

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Mr SEC has gone full blown kook himself. He used to be a good read regarding realignment, but, he's jumped the shark now, too.

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In all fairness to MrSEC, his advice and suggestions are that all conferences take a break from expansion.

The scenario that DeadEye posted was the worst scenario of the least hoped for. The vast majority of SEC country does not want the B1G to tear the ACC apart. If that did happen, then MrSEC stated that UNC & UVA would be the most attractive universities to the SEC. Here's his quote on that:

"In case you haven’t figured it out, we don’t believe there are too many good scenarios for the Southeastern Conference or college sports moving forward. The intelligent plan for one and all would be to calm down and do a little research before getting froggy again. Ribbit, ribbit, that won’t happen. And that means the SEC’s best and most realistic options are schools to the east, sandwiched between West Virginia and South Carolina. North Carolina, Duke, Virginia (if not in the Big Ten), Virginia Tech and NC State are the schools that make the most sense (if the SEC won’t reconsider mega-brand Florida State).

Of course, the more expansion/realignment we see… the less sense it all seems to make."