If so who would you want to get the ACC to 20 teams?

Uh, which conference is going to 20 teams, and do you have a link?

The B1G can go to 30 teams for all I care, as long as UNC is NOT one of them.

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The B1G can go to 30 teams for all I care, as long as UNC is NOT one of them.

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Amen, amen

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--- Chapel Heel wrote:

The B1G can go to 30 teams for all I care, as long as UNC is NOT one of them.

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I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

Yes... I must agree....

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--- tarheelforever79 wrote:

Amen, amen

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--- Chapel Heel wrote:

The B1G can go to 30 teams for all I care, as long as UNC is NOT one of them.

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--- tarheelforever79 wrote:

Amen, amen

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--- Chapel Heel wrote:

The B1G can go to 30 teams for all I care, as long as UNC is NOT one of them.

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Hopefully they'll raid the MAC and lock up the Michigan and Ohio market.

I don't know. At some point, if they keep adding the teams that we would care to play, I guess it would make sense. If they add UVa, Clemson, FSU, GT, and ND, I would think that would be cool. But I would love it if they stopped calling it the Big Ten.

ETA: The whole BTN profit and payout model is perplexing to me. If all the conference has to do is keep adding states and going to 20 is an option (regardless of whether the school additions are AAU members), I don't know why it wouldn't be targetting Syracuse and BC and maybe even UConn (and maybe it is?). Seems like a six team addition that included Syracuse and BC would be the way to go... At some point, doesn't content have to matter to the BTN?

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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It all depends on how they did the divisions or pods or however they would do it. I am not enamored with the baseline of having Pitt, Miami, VT, and GT as every year opponents but most of those opponents are more attractive than Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana...or from the SEC angle, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State. There are so many variables and possibilities, but if we were added to the SEC East and played SCar, Georgia, Florida, And Tennessee every year, there are few Big Ten scenarios which would beat that...there just aren't...not unless we were in a division with Ohio State, FSU, Miami, Penn State, Clemson, and VT and that is mostly due to the ACC teams anyhow.

Removed. Warning.

Considering South Boston's reputation for racism and crime, I would expect you'd find Deliverance right up your alley so to speak.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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And considering the number of people who attend UNC football games, that could make a huge difference %-wise in terms of the attendance numbers. Or were you talking hoops? I don't blame you for not wanting to attend a B1G game in Chapel Hill given what happened in Bloomington recently.

If God forbid our Tar Heel Commish brings in more ACC mouths to feed, I must say I'm not looking forward to unloading the tickets for the UNC games.

Before reading UNC posters on this board and others, I really used to respect your university -- but apparently they had good reason to film parts of Deliverance in North Carolina.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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And considering the number of people who attend UNC football games, that could make a huge difference %-wise in terms of the attendance numbers. Or were you talking hoops? I don't blame you for not wanting to attend a B1G game in Chapel Hill given what happened in Bloomington recently.

If God forbid our Tar Heel Commish brings in more ACC mouths to feed, I must say I'm not looking forward to unloading the tickets for the UNC games.

Before reading UNC posters on this board and others, I really used to respect your university -- but apparently they had good reason to film parts of Deliverance in North Carolina.

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Not sure how you do your math, but we averaged 56,607 fans per home game last season. Not going to make that big of a difference % wise after all.

As far as what happened in bloomington, that's basketball. And we have something called a basketball board. Where you post things basketball related. But for the sake of argument, no, I do not fear the big ten basketball wise. And neither does anyone else on this board.

And what does them filming deliverance in North Carolina have to do with anything? That's the most jackassed statement that I've ever heard. And I've read the state boards.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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And considering the number of people who attend UNC football games, that could make a huge difference %-wise in terms of the attendance numbers. Or were you talking hoops? I don't blame you for not wanting to attend a B1G game in Chapel Hill given what happened in Bloomington recently.

If God forbid our Tar Heel Commish brings in more ACC mouths to feed, I must say I'm not looking forward to unloading the tickets for the UNC games.

Before reading UNC posters on this board and others, I really used to respect your university -- but apparently they had good reason to film parts of Deliverance in North Carolina.

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How dare us Tarheel fans favor playing regional rivals in the ACC or SEC than playing in the BIG. I mean what reason would anyone from the UNC family want to play Tenn, S. Carolina, UVA, Georgia, and Florida rather than playing Minn, Purdue, Iowa, Illinois and Rutgers in all sports. Attendance would actually go down if we ended up playing that Midwest lot every year.

Let's be honest, the BIG fans want UNC a hell of lot more than vice versa. It's the reason why you all flood our message boards,and there are very few us, if any, on your boards. Case and point, you being here right now. Seeing you guys come in here and beg and plead for Carolina to join your conference, is reaching WVU fans on FSU scout board type levels.

As far as your snide remarks about Carolina basketball, tell me again how many National Championships have the BIG won in BB over the last 15+ years? Even if you counted Maryland's, Carolina still outnumbers the BIG by itself 3>2 over that span. Congrats you guys are having 1 good year of hoops.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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And considering the number of people who attend UNC football games, that could make a huge difference %-wise in terms of the attendance numbers. Or were you talking hoops? I don't blame you for not wanting to attend a B1G game in Chapel Hill given what happened in Bloomington recently.

If God forbid our Tar Heel Commish brings in more ACC mouths to feed, I must say I'm not looking forward to unloading the tickets for the UNC games.

Before reading UNC posters on this board and others, I really used to respect your university -- but apparently they had good reason to film parts of Deliverance in North Carolina.

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Unless you were born last year, most UNC fans would admit that the Big Twelourteen has been very good to the Heels (and to the ACC) over the years in basketball.

As for football attendence, the ACC and Big Ten are two completely different monsters. UNC actually has pretty good attendence for an ACC school (somewhere in the 4-6th range typically behind Clemson, FSU and VT and right there with State and UVa). I think the 57K that you quote was negatively impacted by the economy and we didn't have too many visiting fans as the home schedule didn't have too many good travelling fanbases with the exception of State. Note Kenan only holds 63K so that is something like 90% filled. Even VT and ECU didn't travel that well this year. School size has always been very different. Maryland and Rutgers may fit in in this regard, but I believe UVa and UNC would each be the smallest state schools in the league

Well when you consider the Big 10 footprint consists of States where people are leaving; it kind of makes sense they need to gain ground in places that are growing.

But 20 members? I call B.S. on that!!! More of the Delaney shell game going on here. The more these Big 10 and Big 12 clowns talk; the more I become convinced they are not the ones driving the bus.

In great contrast. the SEC, PAC-10, and ACC pretty much keep their mouths shut. When each of those conferences have expanded; it was done quietly and professionally.

While the Big 10 and Big 12 run their mouths and pound their chests; I'd keep an eye on the PAC-12. It's about time for them to execute a Pearl Harbor style attack on the Big 12 and pick up two more members.

Why do I say that? The PAC-12's only path for quality expansion is to raid the Big 12. And they need to get this done before the Big 10 or SEC raids the Big 12. Where else can the PAC-12 go to expand? The Mountain West or Conference USA?

Who in the Big 12 would listen to the PAC-12? Everyone but Texas probably.

If I were running the PAC-12 I'd go after Kansas and Oklahoma. The PAC-12 would love to have UCLA and KU in the same b-ball league. And who wouldn't love to see OU kick USC's butt on a regular basis?

If the PAC-12 got OU to say yes; Texas just might follow. They are losing a ton of money on the Longhorn network and word is that ESPN might execute their out clause on the Long Horn Network.

Contrary to popular belief; I don't think OU and Texas are joined at the hip. (Okie State and K-State would be decent targets also for the PAC-12.)

I think the GOR in the Big 12 is way over blown. It would immediately go to court just like the ACC exit fee and be tied up there for years. In the mean time that conference would crumble and no one would be left to collect.

So again while you are enamored with all the noise coming from the Big 10 and Big 12; you might want to watch the PAC-12. I think they just might be up to something.

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--- VirtualUsername wrote:

I'd probably cancel my season tickets if we were in the Big 10, though I'd most likely try to get a couple more if we could get in the SEC.

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And considering the number of people who attend UNC football games, that could make a huge difference %-wise in terms of the attendance numbers. Or were you talking hoops? I don't blame you for not wanting to attend a B1G game in Chapel Hill given what happened in Bloomington recently.

If God forbid our Tar Heel Commish brings in more ACC mouths to feed, I must say I'm not looking forward to unloading the tickets for the UNC games.

Before reading UNC posters on this board and others, I really used to respect your university -- but apparently they had good reason to film parts of Deliverance in North Carolina.

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Unless you were born last year, most UNC fans would admit that the Big Twelourteen has been very good to the Heels (and to the ACC) over the years in basketball.

As for football attendence, the ACC and Big Ten are two completely different monsters. UNC actually has pretty good attendence for an ACC school (somewhere in the 4-6th range typically behind Clemson, FSU and VT and right there with State and UVa). I think the 57K that you quote was negatively impacted by the economy and we didn't have too many visiting fans as the home schedule didn't have too many good travelling fanbases with the exception of State. Note Kenan only holds 63K so that is something like 90% filled. Even VT and ECU didn't travel that well this year. School size has always been very different. Maryland and Rutgers may fit in in this regard, but I believe UVa and UNC would each be the smallest state schools in the league

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UNC and UVA would be the smallest and the best state schools in the B1G, with only Michigan as a real rival for "best."

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If so who would you want to get the ACC to 20 teams?

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I simply would not want the ACC to go to 20 teams. An ACC that large is too cumbersome, and, you miss out playing other members too often.

The soon to be 14-team ACC is not a bad configuration. When Louisville joins, we should then go with North-South divisions, with Miami in the North. An eight-game league schedule like what they're using this fall...six division, one permanent and one rotating cross divisional opponent.

SOUTH-NORTH

FSU-MIAMI
TECH-PITT
CLEM-VPI
WAKE-CUSE
DUKE-BC
NCSU-LOU
UNC-UVA

The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

Well I can see, on this board at least, the wine & cheese crowd in Chapel Hill isn't as well represented here as the banjo crowd.

So let's see if I'm getting this right -- and clearly I didn't waste my time reading all your posts, but a quick scan gave me the general idea. It would seem any and all negatives from the history of the B1G will continue (and get worse) while all the positives from the past glories of the B1G are going to end. However, it's going the opposite direction for the ACC.

I have no doubt that given the growth of Southern economies that their universities will explode in the medical fields of geriatric care. Also, given the other type of population growth your experiencing, your football stadiums will be expanded for soccer way beyond anything we'll be seeing in the B1G. I just thought the UNC crowd not represented on this board was more interested in the combination of academics/athletics representative of the B1G. Clearly I was wrong on that point so...you know...my bad.

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The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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--- DeadeyeDirk wrote:

The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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SMH...judgmental much?

Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?

You probably weren't around here when all the realignment talk began. Several of your fellow Big 10 fans were here, saying things like UNC would 'do what Delany says, and like it.' Or, others saying UNC-UVA to the B10 was a 'done deal.' Now, if the positions were reversed, how would you react? Probably not anymore positively than we did.

As far as UNC possibly being in the Big 10, I doubt many here would deny that being a member would be great for academics and our Olympic sports. Joining the SEC would allow us to revive some dormant rivalries. Both have their positives, and, negatives.

Personally, I am betting on the ACC surviving and thriving.

ACC survive and thrive. ACC will be fine

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--- DeadeyeDirk wrote:

The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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SMH...judgmental much?

Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?

You probably weren't around here when all the realignment talk began. Several of your fellow Big 10 fans were here, saying things like UNC would 'do what Delany says, and like it.' Or, others saying UNC-UVA to the B10 was a 'done deal.' Now, if the positions were reversed, how would you react? Probably not anymore positively than we did.

As far as UNC possibly being in the Big 10, I doubt many here would deny that being a member would be great for academics and our Olympic sports. Joining the SEC would allow us to revive some dormant rivalries. Both have their positives, and, negatives.

Personally, I am betting on the ACC surviving and thriving.

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"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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--- BlueBloodinBeanTown wrote:

"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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Sweetheart, does daddy know you're on his computer without supervision?

Visiting fan forums of southern universities and throwing tantrums because nobody likes the big ten is very childish. Now I understand you're not grown up yet, but a young lady such as yourself needs to learn respect for the opinions of others.

Now run along back to your dolls. And in the future try not to act like a whiny, petulant little girl when confronted with the notion that, athletically speaking, southerners prefer to be associated with southern conferences.

Kids... I tell ya. They're a handful.

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--- BlueBloodinBeanTown wrote:

"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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Sweetheart, does daddy know you're on his computer without supervision?

Visiting fan forums of southern universities and throwing tantrums because nobody likes the big ten is very childish. Now I understand you're not grown up yet, but a young lady such as yourself needs to learn respect for the opinions of others.

Now run along back to your dolls. And in the future try not to act like a whiny, petulant little girl when confronted with the notion that, athletically speaking, southerners prefer to be associated with southern conferences.

Kids... I tell ya. They're a handful.

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Unfortunately Steve, while I would like to believe that only a child could be that lovingly ignorant, in all probability, it is an adult typing those. And even worse, an adult with a faux sense of superiority, who feels that we, as southerners, are still trying to "fight the war". Simply because we are not interested in joining a conference in which we have no history. Not to mention any common borders. Apparently, the fact that none of us are particularly interested in driving out to Nebraska or Iowa for a football game is unfathomable for our enlightened blue blooded friend. Who insists on tormenting us with his/her presence. It's really a shame, because while I was born in the great state of North Carolina, I do have relatives that are "yankees". And they are good decent and thoughtful people. However, you also have people like this *******, who insist on tainting our views and opinions of our northern brethren. Go back to your own board and show your ass, blue blood. Nobody thinks you or your banjo jokes are funny.

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The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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SMH...judgmental much?

Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?

You probably weren't around here when all the realignment talk began. Several of your fellow Big 10 fans were here, saying things like UNC would 'do what Delany says, and like it.' Or, others saying UNC-UVA to the B10 was a 'done deal.' Now, if the positions were reversed, how would you react? Probably not anymore positively than we did.

As far as UNC possibly being in the Big 10, I doubt many here would deny that being a member would be great for academics and our Olympic sports. Joining the SEC would allow us to revive some dormant rivalries. Both have their positives, and, negatives.

Personally, I am betting on the ACC surviving and thriving.

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"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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If you feel my first comment was judgmental, I offer you my sincere apologies.

As for CMRHeel/TarHealed, just ignore that guy. He/she/it is not representative of UNC alumni, students, faculty, or, the largest majority of the fanbase. Woad is indeed a unique character, with his own special POV on things. I am not familiar with the others.

If you search back on this board a few pages, you might find the original thread we had on it. It got way too off topic, and, thankfully, our mods locked it. Hopefully, we can keep this one on topic.

Amongst your conference mates, the OSU board has been the most active, for sure. I did also find some discussion on the Wisconsin board as well.

Some of the comments from supposed B10 fans telling UNC that they'd do what Jim Delany says, etc, probably are from butthurt WVA fans. But, a lot of the 'done deal' comments ARE coming from folks who are regular posters on the OSU board. I do feel pretty safe is saying that about half of it was trolls, and, the other half WERE B10 fans. Either way, the discussion veered way off course once too often.

If you've ever read the Texas Rivals' site, Orangebloods, there were a few B10 trolls over there. Namely a MSU fan called Snoeman. He was sort of like The Dud(e) from WVA...clueless.

Regarding Maryland...it sucked to see a founding member of the ACC leave. They're doing what they feel is best for their school, and, God Bless them for it. They're in a financial bind, and, the B10 offer gives them chance to fix that. Good for them. But, as for their fans, I won't miss them. The first time that they throw batteries, or, God only knows what, at you all, you'll understand why some of us are not sad to see them gone. You feel like they were a good 'get' for the B10, and, we feel like Louisville is a good 'get' for the ACC to replace them.

You can be damned sue of one thing. The first time a call, any call, goes against them in a game vs Michigan, or, Ohio State, they will BBC (bellayche, b**ch, and, complain) about how the B10 is set up to ensure your success at their expense. We've heard it for 60 years.

About UNC, if we end up in the Big 10, great. If we end up in the SEC, great. If the ACC survives and thrives, great. I will be happy either way.

Regarding Maryland, I agree completely with Western's view of their value to the ACC. Unfortunately, if the ACC ever starts its own network, it will be a shame that we don't have that market anymore because that really is where having Louisville instead of Maryland would hurt, but until then, the value of the ESPN contract is much more predicated on content than markets so I think Louisville is both an upgrade in football AND basketball. The truth is that Maryland is worth a lot more to the BTN than it is to the ACC, just like Clemson, GT, and FSU are worth a lot more to the ACC than they are to the SEC. I never thought the ACC would add the Cardinals because of their lower academic profile, but I am glad we did (if the other option was UConn). Makes me kind of wish that we had added WVU at some point in all this.

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The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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SMH...judgmental much?

Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?

You probably weren't around here when all the realignment talk began. Several of your fellow Big 10 fans were here, saying things like UNC would 'do what Delany says, and like it.' Or, others saying UNC-UVA to the B10 was a 'done deal.' Now, if the positions were reversed, how would you react? Probably not anymore positively than we did.

As far as UNC possibly being in the Big 10, I doubt many here would deny that being a member would be great for academics and our Olympic sports. Joining the SEC would allow us to revive some dormant rivalries. Both have their positives, and, negatives.

Personally, I am betting on the ACC surviving and thriving.

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"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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If you feel my first comment was judgmental, I offer you my sincere apologies.

As for CMRHeel/TarHealed, just ignore that guy. He/she/it is not representative of UNC alumni, students, faculty, or, the largest majority of the fanbase. Woad is indeed a unique character, with his own special POV on things. I am not familiar with the others.

If you search back on this board a few pages, you might find the original thread we had on it. It got way too off topic, and, thankfully, our mods locked it. Hopefully, we can keep this one on topic.

Amongst your conference mates, the OSU board has been the most active, for sure. I did also find some discussion on the Wisconsin board as well.

Some of the comments from supposed B10 fans telling UNC that they'd do what Jim Delany says, etc, probably are from butthurt WVA fans. But, a lot of the 'done deal' comments ARE coming from folks who are regular posters on the OSU board. I do feel pretty safe is saying that about half of it was trolls, and, the other half WERE B10 fans. Either way, the discussion veered way off course once too often.

If you've ever read the Texas Rivals' site, Orangebloods, there were a few B10 trolls over there. Namely a MSU fan called Snoeman. He was sort of like The Dud(e) from WVA...clueless.

Regarding Maryland...it sucked to see a founding member of the ACC leave. They're doing what they feel is best for their school, and, God Bless them for it. They're in a financial bind, and, the B10 offer gives them chance to fix that. Good for them. But, as for their fans, I won't miss them. The first time that they throw batteries, or, God only knows what, at you all, you'll understand why some of us are not sad to see them gone. You feel like they were a good 'get' for the B10, and, we feel like Louisville is a good 'get' for the ACC to replace them.

You can be damned sue of one thing. The first time a call, any call, goes against them in a game vs Michigan, or, Ohio State, they will BBC (bellayche, b**ch, and, complain) about how the B10 is set up to ensure your success at their expense. We've heard it for 60 years.

About UNC, if we end up in the Big 10, great. If we end up in the SEC, great. If the ACC survives and thrives, great. I will be happy either way.

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Great post. I needed this after reading the Beantown post...

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The concept of a 20 team conference is only a modest step up from the 16 team model. Four divisions of five teams can schedule four in division conference games, and 5 out of division conference games each season. This would guarantee all 20 teams get to play each other at least once every three seasons.

The BIG10 has three goals they'd like to achieve through expansion:
1) Lock up the big Northeast markets
2) Make inroads in the Southeast
3) Finally land Notre Dame

Taking Maryland is mainly a strategic step at achieving #2 and #3. Having the Terps, in theory, weakens the ACC making it easier to pursue UVA, UNC, GT, and perhaps FSU. If Delany gets any of those four schools he has made his inroads into the Southeast. Furthermore, if he does take one or more ACC universities, it might destabilize the ACC enough for Notre Dame to seek a new home. The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms. In addition to that, Maryland represents the mid-Atlantic D.C. market (carrying that market is a different question). So the southern-most part of the Northeast is locked down. Rutgers was valuable for their NJ / NY market as well, and they removed a possible candidate for ACC replacement of Maryland.

In Delany's dream scenario, the BIG10 would land these universities in this order of priority:

1) Notre Dame
2) UNC
3) UVA
4) GT
5) FSU
6) BC / Syracuse / Uconn

The 6th choice isn't too important, and I suspect that they'd let ND pick who they want as part of their condition for joining the BIG10. Any of those would solidify the Northeast even more, and each one offers some benefit to the BIG10:

BC - boston market and superb hockey
Uconn - close to AAU status and awesome basketball
Syracuse - former AAU, NY market, good football tradition and awesome basketball tradition

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"The BIG10 would welcome the Irish with open arms."

I honestly don't think that's as much of a lock as you think. The academics were grumbling in the late 90's when they offered ND a spot. Their R&D spending is around 1/5 of the avg. CIC member (and around 1/10 Michigan & Wisco) and answers to Rome. After a decade-plus of very public opposition to B1G membership, I really don't think they'd be a slam-dunk by the other B1G Presidents.

I always thought affiliating universities like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, UNC, UVa, Wisco, GT (edit: and maybe JHU) etc. made more sense, but most of the ACC forums, like this one, have shown me the folly of my small-minded thinking. What's important is that the South be perceived as "winning".

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SMH...judgmental much?

Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?

You probably weren't around here when all the realignment talk began. Several of your fellow Big 10 fans were here, saying things like UNC would 'do what Delany says, and like it.' Or, others saying UNC-UVA to the B10 was a 'done deal.' Now, if the positions were reversed, how would you react? Probably not anymore positively than we did.

As far as UNC possibly being in the Big 10, I doubt many here would deny that being a member would be great for academics and our Olympic sports. Joining the SEC would allow us to revive some dormant rivalries. Both have their positives, and, negatives.

Personally, I am betting on the ACC surviving and thriving.

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"SMH...judgmental much?"

???....is it just me, or are you not doing the same thing in this, your last post?


"Do you judge the entirety of a school's fanbase on what you see and read on their respective message boards?"

No. I really don't think this board in ANY way represents the vast majority of UNC grads or the UNC admin or faculty. You can only digest so much ACC idiocy from CMRHeel, Woad, LAXBlueDevil, Condor, Paco etc etc. before you feel the need to...well....disgorge. My comments are mostly just for the wonderful folks of the ACC variety that are delusional at best (ND joining in full, a-la-carte programing will save us while destroying the B1G, etc.) and cruel, while bordering on un-American, at worst (near constant rust-belt references and comparing the entire Midwest to both Antarctica and the worst sections of Detroit). I made a comment on the Michigan board about the Honey-boo-boo crowd taking over here (after reading an active round of B1G trash-talk on this board) and it was criticized and mostly ignored.

FWIW, the commentary is severely lacking on the B1G boards in terms of expansion and I do enjoy the Tennessee Williams drama of it all. The Ohio St. boards and "Frank the Tank" seem the most intrigued, but I think the most active expansion thread on the Michigan board right now is regarding JHU LAX. I know I wouldn't be as likely to remember some jerk saying something along the lines of "UNC will do what we say", but I really don't remember THAT much delusion coming from the direction of B1G fans/alums. Are you sure a few of those comments weren't from a certain school now in the B12?

This whole conference-love thing is absurd and it all seems tied to "Southern heritage/damn the Yankee invaders" more than it relates to pragmatic thought. If the ACC or B12 had built a better mouse-trap (i.e., the BTN/CIC), I'd be fine w/ Michigan and Ohio St. joining. As proud as Texans are, they were much more open minded to B1G membership a couple of years ago than UNC -- and the B1G took NEBRASKA, not Maryland, from their conference. I'm sure these same obnoxious B1G fans, of which you speak, invaded the Longhorn board also.

FWIW, while I personally thought MD was a phenomenal "get" for the B1G, I was once again enlightened by the experts here on how much the ACC's strongest most heartfelt desire was to have Louisville (not MD) in the ACC. I'm surprised there isn't a lot of warm feelings and camaraderie towards the B1G for taking what was, apparently, the burden of MD off your hands.

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If you feel my first comment was judgmental, I offer you my sincere apologies.

As for CMRHeel/TarHealed, just ignore that guy. He/she/it is not representative of UNC alumni, students, faculty, or, the largest majority of the fanbase. Woad is indeed a unique character, with his own special POV on things. I am not familiar with the others.

If you search back on this board a few pages, you might find the original thread we had on it. It got way too off topic, and, thankfully, our mods locked it. Hopefully, we can keep this one on topic.

Amongst your conference mates, the OSU board has been the most active, for sure. I did also find some discussion on the Wisconsin board as well.

Some of the comments from supposed B10 fans telling UNC that they'd do what Jim Delany says, etc, probably are from butthurt WVA fans. But, a lot of the 'done deal' comments ARE coming from folks who are regular posters on the OSU board. I do feel pretty safe is saying that about half of it was trolls, and, the other half WERE B10 fans. Either way, the discussion veered way off course once too often.

If you've ever read the Texas Rivals' site, Orangebloods, there were a few B10 trolls over there. Namely a MSU fan called Snoeman. He was sort of like The Dud(e) from WVA...clueless.

Regarding Maryland...it sucked to see a founding member of the ACC leave. They're doing what they feel is best for their school, and, God Bless them for it. They're in a financial bind, and, the B10 offer gives them chance to fix that. Good for them. But, as for their fans, I won't miss them. The first time that they throw batteries, or, God only knows what, at you all, you'll understand why some of us are not sad to see them gone. You feel like they were a good 'get' for the B10, and, we feel like Louisville is a good 'get' for the ACC to replace them.

You can be damned sue of one thing. The first time a call, any call, goes against them in a game vs Michigan, or, Ohio State, they will BBC (bellayche, b**ch, and, complain) about how the B10 is set up to ensure your success at their expense. We've heard it for 60 years.

About UNC, if we end up in the Big 10, great. If we end up in the SEC, great. If the ACC survives and thrives, great. I will be happy either way.

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Great post. I needed this after reading the Beantown post...

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Maybe my opening line to Beantown was a bit rough. Just wanted him/her to know thats not usually my way.

Seems like things have settled down a bit, phatt.

As a Buckeye and B1G fan, it's unfortunate you have ********** who represent themselves as B1G fans while writing a whole lot of ********* without any grounding in facts. I can't speak for your mods, but I might suggest doing it the way Penn State's board does it - all posters have to successfully post five comments that pass Mod inspection for constructive input before they can post without Mod oversight.

Per Realignment Bowl, it seems to have finally quieted down despite the WV Idiots' best efforts. While adding VA, UNC, GT, and FSU might be cool for the B1G, I'm not certain the resulting league would be very compelling for football fans in the stadium or on TV.

The $10 question in this whole equation is what can Swofford and the ACC's member schools do to solidify their own future free of being raided by the B1G/SEC?

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As a Buckeye and B1G fan, it's unfortunate you have ********** who represent themselves as B1G fans while writing a whole lot of ********* without any grounding in facts. I can't speak for your mods, but I might suggest doing it the way Penn State's board does it - all posters have to successfully post five comments that pass Mod inspection for constructive input before they can post without Mod oversight.

Per Realignment Bowl, it seems to have finally quieted down despite the WV Idiots' best efforts. While adding VA, UNC, GT, and FSU might be cool for the B1G, I'm not certain the resulting league would be very compelling for football fans in the stadium or on TV.

The $10 question in this whole equation is what can Swofford and the ACC's member schools do to solidify their own future free of being raided by the B1G/SEC?

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chuck, IC's mods do a good job keeping things moving smoothly, but, theres no way to eliminate troll posters altogether.

Adding those schools you mention to the B10 would be a plus, IMHO. All four could bring some good matchups with current B10 members. What B10 fanbase wouldn't get excited about seeing FSU? Tech vs any of the bigger names would also be a good draw, too. UNC could do well, and, UVA has their moments.

Personally, I would want a Big 10 South Division to include Clemson. The gameday experience in Death Valley is amazing, and, CU fans travel well, too. Plus, they have good baseball, and, basketball games at Littlejohn Coliseum are not a gimme W for anybody.

The answer to your $10 question is simple. ACC teams have to win. Period. They have to win those big OOC games during the season, and, keep the good momentum gained from this past bowl season going. If the league members do that, the future will take care of itself.

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As a Buckeye and B1G fan, it's unfortunate you have ********** who represent themselves as B1G fans while writing a whole lot of ********* without any grounding in facts. I can't speak for your mods, but I might suggest doing it the way Penn State's board does it - all posters have to successfully post five comments that pass Mod inspection for constructive input before they can post without Mod oversight.

Per Realignment Bowl, it seems to have finally quieted down despite the WV Idiots' best efforts. While adding VA, UNC, GT, and FSU might be cool for the B1G, I'm not certain the resulting league would be very compelling for football fans in the stadium or on TV.

The $10 question in this whole equation is what can Swofford and the ACC's member schools do to solidify their own future free of being raided by the B1G/SEC?

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chuck, IC's mods do a good job keeping things moving smoothly, but, theres no way to eliminate troll posters altogether.

Adding those schools you mention to the B10 would be a plus, IMHO. All four could bring some good matchups with current B10 members. What B10 fanbase wouldn't get excited about seeing FSU? Tech vs any of the bigger names would also be a good draw, too. UNC could do well, and, UVA has their moments.

Personally, I would want a Big 10 South Division to include Clemson. The gameday experience in Death Valley is amazing, and, CU fans travel well, too. Plus, they have good baseball, and, basketball games at Littlejohn Coliseum are not a gimme W for anybody.

The answer to your $10 question is simple. ACC teams have to win. Period. They have to win those big OOC games during the season, and, keep the good momentum gained from this past bowl season going. If the league members do that, the future will take care of itself.

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I agree with WS. If UNC is to be sent to the B1G, and 20 is a real possibility for the B1G, I'd guess that the B1G would just take the strongest ACC properties, namely FSU, Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVA, and Georgia Tech. Pitt would also be a possibility, but since this is about footprint, I don't think that Pitt would get the nod.

That Eastern division of the B1G would then be FSU, GTech, Clemson, UNC, Dook, UVA, UMD, Rutgers, Penn State, and... maybe Ohio State?
The Western division would be the remaining B1G members:
Michigan, MSU, IU, Illinois, NW, Purdue, Minn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa.

That's really not an awful scenario. We'd get to keep some traditional rivals and add PSU and OSU. Reasonably balanced divisions.

It is possible the SEC and B1G both catapult to 18-20, with the PAC and ACC/BEast/B12 combination stuck at 12-16. I just don't see 80 teams to make 4 strong leagues.

The bottom line, as many have said, is that UNC will be fine regardless.

UNC is not going to the big ten. Wish somebody lock and move this ******* thread

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That Eastern division of the B1G would then be FSU, GTech, Clemson, UNC, Dook, UVA, UMD, Rutgers, Penn State, and... maybe Ohio State?
The Western division would be the remaining B1G members:
Michigan, MSU, IU, Illinois, NW, Purdue, Minn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa.

That's really not an awful scenario. We'd get to keep some traditional rivals and add PSU and OSU. Reasonably balanced divisions.

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In a vacuum, that wouldn't be bad at all. The prolem is that NCST ends up in the SEC under that scenario. And there's a very real possibility that if that happens, they catapult right by UNC to become the top football brand in North Carolina. That would be bad.

If they go to 20, I would think they would go to four pods of five teams apiece. If they did it geographically, that would be FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, and dook in the "south". That would be pretty badarse if you ask me. Then we would play an entire other pod every three years. The problem is that you wouldn't be able to have cross division rivals UNLESS you moved to a 10-game conference schedule (four in pod games plus five from another pod plus one permanent rival). Permanent partners would HAVE to be in the same pod which would mean the UNC/UVa rivalry would be over. Also would be difficult to justify putting Michigan and Ohio State in the same pod.

This is the same issue that you would have with two 10-team divisions. Your permanent rival had better be in your division and even if it is, there is very little chance for any cross-divisional play (even one game would mean 10 conference games).

Of course, none of this is going to make Notre Dame want to join the Big Ten.

Let me clarify- I don't think we will or particularly want to go to the B1G, but I'm being optimistic that it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I wish the ACC was still the respected reasonably powerful conference it once was, but times have changed and what made the ACC close and fun and successful in the past is now a liability. Splitting up (unc + dook) and (ncsu + wake) into two conferences is more valuable than all four together. I still think it most likely that, should the ACC fail, UNC and UVA will stick together, most likely to the SEC, and may try to bring dook with them as a package.

Vtech/ncsu could try the same maneuver, and might bring wake with them to a future acc/b12/beast conglomeration.

I used to want to salvage the ACC, but since UNC could manage to stay w uva and possibly dook AND damage ncsux at the same time with a move south, I'm all for it.