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- adbrown
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:32 PM
Alabama players used deer antler spray
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:39 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- adbrown wrote: espn.go.com/college-football/s...ers-use-productWe need to get some of this stuff. --------------------------------------------- Correct me if Im wrong Gussy but If I kill all the golfers theyll lock me up and throw away the key.. Is this stuff illegal? |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:40 PM
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Excuse me.. banned for competition in NCAA?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:52 PM
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It's not my fault nobody can understand you, you fuzzy little foreigner!
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Correct me if Im wrong Gussy but If I kill all the golfers theyll lock me up and throw away the key..
Is this stuff illegal?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:56 PM
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I might have to give this stuff a try. Only cost about $12 for a bottle.
And yes, it is perfectly legal. It's a natural compound. Of course, the way things are going of late, protein is going to become a banned substance because it repairs and builds muscle tissue.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:03 PM
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I cant really comprehend someone scrapping the fuzz off a deer's antler then liquifying it and I spray it in my mouth. I would try rubbing it on a sore muscle but spraying it in my mouth seems scarey.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:13 PM
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Now thats funny...True but funny
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I might have to give this stuff a try. Only cost about $12 for a bottle.
And yes, it is perfectly legal. It's a natural compound. Of course, the way things are going of late, protein is going to become a banned substance because it repairs and builds muscle tissue.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:20 PM
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Inhaling or injecting this might actually have the affect of HGH. Not sure about oral ingestion, seems like it would get broken down too much
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:26 PM
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It contains IGF-1 (Insulin like growth factor), which is a banned substance in competitive sports
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:53 PM
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Define "competitive" sports. Pro level, college, high school? Is it illegal for college (NCAA) is all I care about. If it is, there should be an investigation when you have the guy that sells the stuff claiming first hand knowledge of giving it to Bama players.
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--- bucsheels2424 wrote:
It contains IGF-1 (Insulin like growth factor), which is a banned substance in competitive sports
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:00 PM
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No, it should not be illegal. There is a difference between natural sourced IGF-1 and pharmaceutical grade, injectable, IGF-1. Natural sourced IGF-1 from DAV is not as potent.
What, are we going to ban milk as well? IGF-1 is bound to the casein and survives the gut and it has been shown people who drink allot of milk have higher IGF-1 levels. I've seen Rich Froning drink a gallon of milk and him distribute it to the players at TTU. Someone launch an investigation.
Education, and common sense, is important to making informed decisions.
Last edited 1/30/2013 3:02 PM by Fedoramases
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:20 PM
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Everybody wants to win.....
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:37 PM
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Wuffies just drank deer urine.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:39 PM
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This guy comes across like a snake oil salesman who hit the advertising jackpot with an ESPN story.
<quote>Key said he sold about 20 bottles of deer-antler spray to LSU players before the regular-season meeting with Alabama that year. Key said he has also provided healing hologram "chips," which are stuck to the body, to Auburn players during their national-championship season and this year sold healing "bands" to players at Ole Miss and Georgia.</quote>
Everybody wins the big one when they're using his stuff!
Deer antler product from New Zealand, "stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese".
I notice he's focusing on $EC football, where ethics and academics take the fore.
Last edited 1/30/2013 4:39 PM by heelblue
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:50 PM
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Is this spray legal or illegal per NCAA?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:50 PM
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Lol. Even that's not enough to make them any good.
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Wuffies just drank deer urine.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:07 PM
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wuffies had issues collecting the deer urine though. The deer getting a erection made the 'unique woofie' collection process difficult
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Lol. Even that's not enough to make them any good.
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--- therabidrev wrote:
Wuffies just drank deer urine.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 6:32 PM
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:16 PM
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After listening to the guy, I don't believe anything he says. He sounds like a crook.
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--- heelblue wrote:
This guy comes across like a snake oil salesman who hit the advertising jackpot with an ESPN story.
<quote>Key said he sold about 20 bottles of deer-antler spray to LSU players before the regular-season meeting with Alabama that year. Key said he has also provided healing hologram "chips," which are stuck to the body, to Auburn players during their national-championship season and this year sold healing "bands" to players at Ole Miss and Georgia.</quote>
Everybody wins the big one when they're using his stuff!
Deer antler product from New Zealand, "stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese".
I notice he's focusing on $EC football, where ethics and academics take the fore.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:47 PM
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NCAA and NFL, but not illegal per state or federal law.
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Is this spray legal or illegal per NCAA?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:35 AM
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Do you think the NCAA will investigate and hammer Alabama for using a banned item. I mean...come on NCAA, the SEC is laughing at you and we all know it.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:19 AM
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Do you think the NCAA will investigate and hammer Alabama for using a banned item. I mean...come on NCAA, the SEC is laughing at you and we all know it.
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Cam Newton laughed all the way to the bank.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:33 AM
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Do you think the NCAA will investigate and hammer Alabama for using a banned item. I mean...come on NCAA, the SEC is laughing at you and we all know it.
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Cam Newton laughed all the way to the bank.
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"Lemme cash this 'tithe' check!"
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:21 AM
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C'mon, NCAA, so let's see... you investigated Miami because a guy bragged about what he did for da U players to Yahoo! sports from his prison cell. Now some guy brags to ESPN about giving his product (which includes a banned substance) to 'Bama players. Seems like it should be worthy of a look.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:30 AM
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Alabama is in the business of sending "cease-and-desist letters". They sent them to the sports memorabilia dealer that gets Bama football players signing autographs as soon as their eligiblity ends.
The NCAA will do nothing here and lean on the crutch of these "stern" letters. We should have written some letters.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:31 PM
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You never watched Alabama play and wonder how is it their players are so much more jacked up than other teams except for maybe LSU. I'm not just talking about their 3rd and 4th year guys. They have had beasts on the defensive side of the field the past few seasons. Don't hear much from them once they get into the NFL.
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After listening to the guy, I don't believe anything he says. He sounds like a crook.
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--- heelblue wrote:
This guy comes across like a snake oil salesman who hit the advertising jackpot with an ESPN story.
<quote>Key said he sold about 20 bottles of deer-antler spray to LSU players before the regular-season meeting with Alabama that year. Key said he has also provided healing hologram "chips," which are stuck to the body, to Auburn players during their national-championship season and this year sold healing "bands" to players at Ole Miss and Georgia.</quote>
Everybody wins the big one when they're using his stuff!
Deer antler product from New Zealand, "stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese".
I notice he's focusing on $EC football, where ethics and academics take the fore.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:36 PM
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We better watch out for Ramses, wolpfack players might try to bite one of his horns off to gain an advantage.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:34 PM
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Milk has IGF-1 too, so this is a non issue. IGF-1 is a natural hormone already present in the body. DAV is not even a drug, so the morons calling it a PED are just attention whores. Allot of pharmaceuticals come from natural sources...they are just more highly concentrated and carry the body from a state of deficiency to a state of normalcy for health reasons when used under supervision. When you use them without supervision and use more than prescribed to illicit a greater than normal response then you have 'PED' usage. However, a food based nutritional supplement does not fall into this category, even if it contains a standardized extract. It is no different than taking a high grad fish oil supplement than contains a high concentration of EPA/DHA.
This whole thing just a stupid witch hunt from people who don't know crap about nutrition and nutritional supplementation. Of course, this owner is thrilled to death with the coverage because now his product, which has been used for quite some time with positive results, is going to be more popular than ever.
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C'mon, NCAA, so let's see... you investigated Miami because a guy bragged about what he did for da U players to Yahoo! sports from his prison cell. Now some guy brags to ESPN about giving his product (which includes a banned substance) to 'Bama players. Seems like it should be worthy of a look.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:36 PM
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Lol...Fedora may patent a new form of 'Battering Ram' vitality pills.
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We better watch out for Ramses, wolpfack players might try to bite one of his horns off to gain an advantage.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:05 PM
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Or each others as they pee in the stands and CF
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Wuffies just drank deer urine.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:14 PM
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well then why wouldnt the NCAA look into this then.. gee, theres more smoke here, then on 'some' of stuff we had..
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NCAA and NFL, but not illegal per state or federal law.
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Is this spray legal or illegal per NCAA?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:50 PM
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If they were jacked up on something, I wouldn't bet on it being antler spray.
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You never watched Alabama play and wonder how is it their players are so much more jacked up than other teams except for maybe LSU. I'm not just talking about their 3rd and 4th year guys. They have had beasts on the defensive side of the field the past few seasons. Don't hear much from them once they get into the NFL.
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After listening to the guy, I don't believe anything he says. He sounds like a crook.
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--- heelblue wrote:
This guy comes across like a snake oil salesman who hit the advertising jackpot with an ESPN story.
<quote>Key said he sold about 20 bottles of deer-antler spray to LSU players before the regular-season meeting with Alabama that year. Key said he has also provided healing hologram "chips," which are stuck to the body, to Auburn players during their national-championship season and this year sold healing "bands" to players at Ole Miss and Georgia.</quote>
Everybody wins the big one when they're using his stuff!
Deer antler product from New Zealand, "stuff has been around for almost 1,000 years, this is stuff from the Chinese".
I notice he's focusing on $EC football, where ethics and academics take the fore.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:02 PM
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I think they just smelled like deer urine.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:40 PM
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If they tested positive for IGF-1, it wouldn't be from the DAV. That is for sure, though they'd likely try to pin it on it.
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If they were jacked up on something, I wouldn't bet on it being antler spray.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:34 PM
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Nc State players used Skoal...what's the difference?
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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:12 AM
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spray tide spray
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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:40 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Fedoramases wrote: ...This whole thing just a stupid witch hunt from people who don't know crap about nutrition and nutritional supplementation. Of course, this owner is thrilled to death with the coverage because now his product, which has been used for quite some time with positive results, is going to be more popular than ever. --------------------------------------------- Still, its key ingredient, though natural, IS banned by the NFL and NCAA. www.thepostgame.com/features/2...any-linked-bann
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Posted: 2/1/2013 3:04 PM
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Rumor has it NCSU was using spray from the Deers nutsacks this year. TOBY used it just before deciding whether to punt to Gio or not ;)
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Posted: 2/1/2013 3:25 PM
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Yeah, that is true. So, it is a grey area I reckon. I still don't think anything will come of if though because I seriously doubt it will leave any markers that could cause a red flag in a drug test like pharmaceutical grade injectible IGF-1. DAV is a natural compound that contains IGF-1 that is naturally produced in the body, just like micellar casein in cow's milk. DAV just sounds exotic to people and draws more of mental correlation to possible steroid usage. Like I mentioned before, I am almost 100% certain PED usage is common place, but if an athlete was to ever fail a drug test, it would not be from DAV. What would happen, however, is that the athlete would try to lay blame on it rather than coming clean. Thing is this as well. People want high caliber athletes, and demand performance. Well, lifting weights with the intensity required to increase performance along with daily practice and getting smacked around on game day requires nutritional supplementation. I'm not trying to justify steroid usage, but when you ban steroid usage (which makes sense due to how easy they are to abuse)...you got to allow athletes some avenue to help aid recovery. Otherwise, you are doing to get overuse injuries and impaired performance. So, rather than demonize nutritional supplements, I think it is important to educate people on their value and understand they are not drugs and are in no way PEDs. So,in the end, bottom line, I think it's just a witch hunt by people without a clear understanding of what is a legit nutritional supplement and what is an illegal PED. Case in point, I think that link you linked is a prime example of such a misunderstanding. --------------------------------------------- --- gbunce wrote: Still, its key ingredient, though natural, IS banned by the NFL and NCAA. www.thepostgame.com/features/2...any-linked-bann--------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:59 PM
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Rumor has it NCSU was using spray from the Deers nutsacks this year. TOBY used it just before deciding whether to punt to Gio or not ;)
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They were only using that because of their financial problems. It's much cheaper than antler spray. Nutsack spray starts under a buck.
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