No, I believe someone going out of his or her way to bash UNC unjustly is not a UNC supporter. So yes, I do accept that you don't have much use for the faculty or the curriculum at UNC, or Roy Williams, all entities which are highly ranked nationally(ok, minus Roy this year). You've made your disdain plain on these boards, and I certainly think you have the right to run down UNC any time you want to. I'll take the opposite position, thanks.

Again I asked for you to defend you position that the Governor going in front of the media and bashing UNC and singling out basketball players and Swahili is a positive, either for the school, the coaches, or for prospective applicants of all kinds, including our recruited athletes in all sports and their families. I'll wait, in hopes that you can come up with an answer that is more substantive than you bragging about your money or how long you've been in the Rams Club.

It is ironic that the word you and your ilk use so often for UNC faculty is "Elitist". In most folks experience, someone like you who blowhards about their income level are the elitist. Happily, UNC is not elitist. We draw some of the finest kids in the country from all backgrounds, who receive a top notch education, and will do so long after this wave of far right, anti-UNC nonsense passes into the ether.



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--- Heel4evr wrote:

dadgumgame. You seem to think that someone that has a view on a subject that differs from yours is somehow not a UNC supporter. As I have said before, I will put my UNC credentials of any and all kinds that you would like to evaluate up against yours any day. Shouldn't accepting that someone might not have the same thoughts on a subject be part of this "critical thinking" process that supposedly goes along with a liberal arts degree? You didn't say that Art Pope and the gov want to DESTROY UNC athletics, but you did say "Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs." You said that not me.

I personally do not think Art Pope wants to destroy UNC athletics, or even take them down several pegs as you stated. I do think he might have an axe to grind with the liberal, elitist faculty that would love to take down UNC football.

And now you are introducing different classes of UNC fans into the discussion? What's next, race?
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--- dadgumgame wrote:

That was mine, "4evrrrr"

I'm glad our many, many hard working, blue collar fans who maybe didn't go to UNC but love the school and the teams for representing our state as they do, get to see the attitude of a real UNC supporter like you.

The Gov's sweaty upper lip since he made those comments and the treads as he backtracks would probably suggest he is realizing the price he is going to pay for making Art Pope his Budget Director.

And btw, no one suggested they are going to destroy athletics. Pope will use UNC and the Ath. Dept, though, for his own interest, as he has no real allegiance to any entity other than himself.


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--- Heel4evr wrote:

heelinhell, This is from the UNC Tech thread:

dadgumgame wrote:

"And here too, as it directly relates to our football team...Just saying.

Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs."

If all this McCrory/Pope stuff doesn't involve athletics and football in particular, why is it being discussed on the football board?

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The Gov. did have a former UNC basketball player, Dave Chadwick, officiate his swearing in.

I didn't vote for him!

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--- unc80 wrote:

McCrory is a scary ABC'er, one with power, thanks to all the boneheads that voted for that stupid a**.

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dadgumgame, I sincerely hope that you are able to get some help.

Please tell me where I have ever "blowhards about my income." When you challenged my loyalty and support for UNC simply because I expressed a point of view different from yours, I referenced the number of years that I had been a Rams member, season ticket holder, and contributor to the Dean Dome and Kenan expansion. I said nothing about my income, nor would I ever on this or any other internet board. I also jokingly made a comment about being happy that I did not have to live on the income (390K I believe) that another poster made. You will have to ask him if he was "blowharding" because I have no idea. By the way, wasn't blowhard a character in a James Bond movie?

I love UNC and Roy too for your information. Roy was a student at UNC during my time there. I, like many on the BB board, have voiced frustration over the team this year, but never have I said anything that would indicate that Roy was the bad guy that you claim I have said. I don't even post much on these boards except when people like you start making wild accusations. If you think my comments are bad, you must not spend much time over there reading all the stuff most posters have said about Roy and his coaching job this year.

Tell me where I have ever said I hate the curriculum at UNC. I spent six years over there (oh that's right, you say I went to NC State), so I must have found some courses I liked. I have said that I do not believe that a liberal arts degree alone from any institution sets up a person for good job opportunities. That is just my opinion and it is not worth any more than the next guys, nor is yours worth more than the next guys.

I will not waste any more ATP responding to your childishness.

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--- dadgumgame wrote:

No, I believe someone going out of his or her way to bash UNC unjustly is not a UNC supporter. So yes, I do accept that you don't have much use for the faculty or the curriculum at UNC, or Roy Williams, all entities which are highly ranked nationally(ok, minus Roy this year). You've made your disdain plain on these boards, and I certainly think you have the right to run down UNC any time you want to. I'll take the opposite position, thanks.

Again I asked for you to defend you position that the Governor going in front of the media and bashing UNC and singling out basketball players and Swahili is a positive, either for the school, the coaches, or for prospective applicants of all kinds, including our recruited athletes in all sports and their families. I'll wait, in hopes that you can come up with an answer that is more substantive than you bragging about your money or how long you've been in the Rams Club.

It is ironic that the word you and your ilk use so often for UNC faculty is "Elitist". In most folks experience, someone like you who blowhards about their income level are the elitist. Happily, UNC is not elitist. We draw some of the finest kids in the country from all backgrounds, who receive a top notch education, and will do so long after this wave of far right, anti-UNC nonsense passes into the ether.



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--- Heel4evr wrote:

dadgumgame. You seem to think that someone that has a view on a subject that differs from yours is somehow not a UNC supporter. As I have said before, I will put my UNC credentials of any and all kinds that you would like to evaluate up against yours any day. Shouldn't accepting that someone might not have the same thoughts on a subject be part of this "critical thinking" process that supposedly goes along with a liberal arts degree? You didn't say that Art Pope and the gov want to DESTROY UNC athletics, but you did say "Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs." You said that not me.

I personally do not think Art Pope wants to destroy UNC athletics, or even take them down several pegs as you stated. I do think he might have an axe to grind with the liberal, elitist faculty that would love to take down UNC football.

And now you are introducing different classes of UNC fans into the discussion? What's next, race?
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--- dadgumgame wrote:

That was mine, "4evrrrr"

I'm glad our many, many hard working, blue collar fans who maybe didn't go to UNC but love the school and the teams for representing our state as they do, get to see the attitude of a real UNC supporter like you.

The Gov's sweaty upper lip since he made those comments and the treads as he backtracks would probably suggest he is realizing the price he is going to pay for making Art Pope his Budget Director.

And btw, no one suggested they are going to destroy athletics. Pope will use UNC and the Ath. Dept, though, for his own interest, as he has no real allegiance to any entity other than himself.


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--- Heel4evr wrote:

heelinhell, This is from the UNC Tech thread:

dadgumgame wrote:

"And here too, as it directly relates to our football team...Just saying.

Hiding from it ain't gonna make it go away, uncomfortable as it may be for you and others here to acknowledge that Art Pope/The Gov/ Reps in Raleigh would love nothing more than to see UNC athletics taken down several pegs."

If all this McCrory/Pope stuff doesn't involve athletics and football in particular, why is it being discussed on the football board?

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but yet we choose to ignore history...another liberal arts major

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--- Trueblue67 wrote:

I have read of similar sentiments and government views before regarding elitism and wanting more technicians and mechanics.

It was in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

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As expected, you refused to defend your position that the Governor's statements about UNC athletes taking Swahili and not doing classwork were somehow a positive for UNC, and instead you prefer to keep yammering about yourself and your bona fides, such as they may or may not be. I agree with you that taking your ball and running home is about the only thing you can do at this point.

We also agree that your opinion is, thankfully, not worth much. Carry on fading into the sunset--the rest of us are enjoying the view.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

dadgumgame, I sincerely hope that you are able to get some help.

Please tell me where I have ever "blowhards about my income." When you challenged my loyalty and support for UNC simply because I expressed a point of view different from yours, I referenced the number of years that I had been a Rams member, season ticket holder, and contributor to the Dean Dome and Kenan expansion. I said nothing about my income, nor would I ever on this or any other internet board. I also jokingly made a comment about being happy that I did not have to live on the income (390K I believe) that another poster made. You will have to ask him if he was "blowharding" because I have no idea.

I love UNC and Roy too for your information. Roy was a student at UNC during my time there. I, like many on the BB board, have voiced frustration over the team this year, but never have I said anything that would indicate that Roy was the bad guy that you claim I have said. I don't even post much on these boards except when people like you start making wild accusations. If you think my comments are bad, you must not spend much time over there reading all the stuff most posters have said about Roy and his coaching job this year.

Tell me where I have ever said I hate the curriculum at UNC. I spent six years over there (oh that's right, you say I went to NC State), so I must have found some courses I liked. I have said that I do not believe that a liberal arts degree alone from any institution sets up a person for good job opportunities. That is just my opinion and it is not worth any more than the next guys, nor is yours worth more than the next guys.

I will not waste any more ATP responding to your childishness.

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--- dadgumgame wrote:

No, I believe someone going out of his or her way to bash UNC unjustly is not a UNC supporter. So yes, I do accept that you don't have much use for the faculty or the curriculum at UNC, or Roy Williams, all entities which are highly ranked nationally(ok, minus Roy this year). You've made your disdain plain on these boards, and I certainly think you have the right to run down UNC any time you want to. I'll take the opposite position, thanks.

Again I asked for you to defend you position that the Governor going in front of the media and bashing UNC and singling out basketball players and Swahili is a positive, either for the school, the coaches, or for prospective applicants of all kinds, including our recruited athletes in all sports and their families. I'll wait, in hopes that you can come up with an answer that is more substantive than you bragging about your money or how long you've been in the Rams Club.

It is ironic that the word you and your ilk use so often for UNC faculty is "Elitist". In most folks experience, someone like you who blowhards about their income level are the elitist. Happily, UNC is not elitist. We draw some of the finest kids in the country from all backgrounds, who receive a top notch education, and will do so long after this wave of far right, anti-UNC nonsense passes into the ether.

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

well we made today's Wall Street Journal editorial page ......

the author here -- is this the same woman from the Durham paper ?

and I'll apologize ahead of time if this doesn't open for non-subscribers .... I can't tell what is open and what is closed to subscribers:


online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...Opinion_LEADTop

in the immortal words of one U.S. president:

"Elections have consequences."


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This is all about money, ideology, and power.


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Today's New York Times. It's awful.

Can someone summerize the article?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

well we made today's Wall Street Journal editorial page ......

the author here -- is this the same woman from the Durham paper ?

and I'll apologize ahead of time if this doesn't open for non-subscribers .... I can't tell what is open and what is closed to subscribers:


online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...Opinion_LEADTop

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summary of the points in this opinion piece:

+ the university system should do a better job of aligning college majors with the job market .... and the funding arrangements for the various campuses should support that objective.

+ too many college graduates are spending too much time on courses/majors that have no practical relevance ... and too much of their schoolwork is subpar.

+ the governor's comments are not an across-the-board attack on the liberal arts or a proposal to turn the university system into simply vocational training .... some professors/pundits have twisted the governor's comments in that way instead of dealing constructively with the legitimate issues he raised.

+ universities are not above criticism and should be held accountable .... and should 'up their game' instead of simply 'circling the wagons' in response to valid criticisms.

+ and if the universities did a better job at liberal arts education - the university would produce graduates who didn't resort to mixed metaphors like 'up their game' and 'circling the wagons' in the same sentence.



once I read the whole thing - I believe this is the same person and simply a shorter version of the same article published earlier in the Durham paper .....

Can't argue at all with what you summarized, Bethel. All seem valid points to me.

Thanks for the summary Bethel

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--- Heel1963 wrote:

Can someone summerize the article?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

well we made today's Wall Street Journal editorial page ......

the author here -- is this the same woman from the Durham paper ?

and I'll apologize ahead of time if this doesn't open for non-subscribers .... I can't tell what is open and what is closed to subscribers:


online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...Opinion_LEADTop

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Yes, it is the same woman who happens to be president of the Pope Foundation. One part of the mission of the foundation is to "conservatize" the curriculum at UNC.

The Pope Foundation has been hostile to UNC for years. The groups it sponsors includes the right wing hate group Young Americans for Freedom(YAF).

And now Art Pope is the de facto governor and in charge of the state budget.

Bad news for UNC and bad news for UNC athletics.

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--- bucinor wrote:

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

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POST OF THE YEAR !!!

My wife's cousin's daughter followed that recommended path. She went to UNC and got a double major in Italian and Psychology. I think she was there about 5 years getting her degree. After graduation, she moved (most likely had her parents move her) to Denver to further contemplate what she wanted to do with her life. After about a year trying to find jobs waiting tables, she had her parents move her back to NC.

By then, I am not sure she had discovered what she wanted to pursue, but it had been revealed to her that she needed to go back to college to pursue a degree program that would allow her to get a job. She went back to UNC in an Accounting graduate program, and now has a job as a CPA with a large accounting firm. Not bad for 7 or so years in college.

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--- bucinor wrote:

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

My wife's cousin's daughter followed that recommended path. She went to UNC and got a double major in Italian and Psychology. I think she was there about 5 years getting her degree. After graduation, she moved (most likely had her parents move her) to Denver to further contemplate what she wanted to do with her life. After about a year trying to find jobs waiting tables, she had her parents move her back to NC.

By then, I am not sure she had discovered what she wanted to pursue, but it had been revealed to her that she needed to go back to college to pursue a degree program that would allow her to get a job. She went back to UNC in an Accounting graduate program, and now has a job as a CPA with a large accounting firm. Not bad for 7 or so years in college.

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--- bucinor wrote:

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

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And my guess is that your wife's cousin's daughter is the most interesting person in her CPA firm. I would go a step further and guess that she has the most social skills and can converse credibly about a wider array of issues and subjects than her peers. It would not surprise me that she becomes the star and envy of the entire firm.

You could be right. She is a nice kid, but I have no idea how she is being received in her firm. Right now, she is questioning her decision to go into accounting, but that could be because of the dread of the upcoming tax season rush.

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And my guess is that your wife's cousin's daughter is the most interesting person in her CPA firm. I would go a step further and guess that she has the most social skills and can converse credibly about a wider array of issues and subjects than her peers. It would not surprise me that she becomes the star and envy of the entire firm.

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Eric Cantor, House majority leader, gave a speech today to the AEI,a neo-con think tank. In his speech he calls for a de-emphasis in liberal arts education and an increased emphasis on vocational training at the university level.

I guess this is a national GOP assault, not just an NC GOP assault on higher education.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

My wife's cousin's daughter followed that recommended path. She went to UNC and got a double major in Italian and Psychology. I think she was there about 5 years getting her degree. After graduation, she moved (most likely had her parents move her) to Denver to further contemplate what she wanted to do with her life. After about a year trying to find jobs waiting tables, she had her parents move her back to NC.

By then, I am not sure she had discovered what she wanted to pursue, but it had been revealed to her that she needed to go back to college to pursue a degree program that would allow her to get a job. She went back to UNC in an Accounting graduate program, and now has a job as a CPA with a large accounting firm. Not bad for 7 or so years in college.

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--- bucinor wrote:

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

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And my guess is that your wife's cousin's daughter is the most interesting person in her CPA firm. I would go a step further and guess that she has the most social skills and can converse credibly about a wider array of issues and subjects than her peers. It would not surprise me that she becomes the star and envy of the entire firm.

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And may you be blessed with kids that take seven years to graduate from college.

Oh Boy. I guess Cantor, McCrory, and Art Pope can have some type of a contest to see who becomes the new Hitler. I am scared now.

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--- heelinhell wrote:

Eric Cantor, House majority leader, gave a speech today to the AEI,a neo-con think tank. In his speech he calls for a de-emphasis in liberal arts education and an increased emphasis on vocational training at the university level.

I guess this is a national GOP assault, not just an NC GOP assault on higher education.

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One man's 'assault on higher education' may be another man's sensible reforms of higher education for the benefit of both college graduates and society generally.


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--- heelinhell wrote:

Eric Cantor, House majority leader, gave a speech today to the AEI,a neo-con think tank. In his speech he calls for a de-emphasis in liberal arts education and an increased emphasis on vocational training at the university level.

I guess this is a national GOP assault, not just an NC GOP assault on higher education.

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There's no end to someone's negative thought process until they don't have the power to continue to look in those hidden areas in their minds.

Very true.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

One man's 'assault on higher education' may be another man's sensible reforms of higher education for the benefit of both college graduates and society generally.


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--- heelinhell wrote:

Eric Cantor, House majority leader, gave a speech today to the AEI,a neo-con think tank. In his speech he calls for a de-emphasis in liberal arts education and an increased emphasis on vocational training at the university level.

I guess this is a national GOP assault, not just an NC GOP assault on higher education.

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And it may also be an assault on higher education; just a different mode than that of vouchers for secondary education.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

One man's 'assault on higher education' may be another man's sensible reforms of higher education for the benefit of both college graduates and society generally.


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--- heelinhell wrote:

Eric Cantor, House majority leader, gave a speech today to the AEI,a neo-con think tank. In his speech he calls for a de-emphasis in liberal arts education and an increased emphasis on vocational training at the university level.

I guess this is a national GOP assault, not just an NC GOP assault on higher education.

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That would be awesome to see UNC get an engineering program.

Ain't going to happen. With all the budget shortfalls, do you really think the legislature will approve funding a engineering program at UNC with one right down the road in Rawlee? They can prove me wrong, but I don't think it will happen.

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That would be awesome to see UNC get an engineering program.

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^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

What's your point? Are you saying the powers to be will move it back, or create another one?

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--- gbunce wrote:

^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying the powers to be will move it back, or create another one? And no, I didn't know the NC State engineering program used to be ours. When did the change occur? I had to be a loooong time ago.

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^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

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If the powers that be want the engineering program to become elite with a reputation for excellence,then they should want to return the program to UNC...

Exactly. McCroy says he is all about results, well moou has had decades to show they can make the engineering program one of the best in the world and they have failed. Its our turn now. Is McCroy a free market capitalist or a political bureaucrat?

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying the powers to be will move it back, or create another one? And no, I didn't know the NC State engineering program used to be ours. When did the change occur? I had to be a loooong time ago.

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--- gbunce wrote:

^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

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If the powers that be want the engineering program to become elite with a reputation for excellence,then they should want to return the program to UNC...

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Well, we might want to house the engineering program on a part of campus a long ways from the AFAM Studies department. Otherwise, some of the luster and excellence might wear off the engineering program.

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--- heelinhell wrote:

If the powers that be want the engineering program to become elite with a reputation for excellence,then they should want to return the program to UNC...

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying the powers to be will move it back, or create another one?

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--- gbunce wrote:

^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

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Simply that we used to have one. It's now in Raleigh.

museum.unc.edu/exhibits/crisis...ted-university/

"When the state consolidated the three campuses in 1932, the trustees eliminated duplicate programs in engineering, business, and library science."

They eliminated duplicate programs back then, I just don't see them creating a duplicate program now.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying the powers to be will move it back, or create another one?

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--- gbunce wrote:

^ You realize that WAS our engineering program.

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Simply that we used to have one. It's now in Raleigh.

museum.unc.edu/exhibits/crisis...ted-university/

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Well, we might want to house the engineering program on a part of campus a long ways from the AFAM Studies department. Otherwise, some of the luster and excellence might wear off the engineering program.

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--- heelinhell wrote:

If the powers that be want the engineering program to become elite with a reputation for excellence,then they should want to return the program to UNC...

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Maybe we could house it near the medical school which is ranked #2 in primary care and #21 in medical research. Or near the #4 ranked nursing school.

Or near the #2 ranked Pharmacy program or the #11 ranked school of public health or the 11th ranked physical therapy program.

Or near the 10th ranked accounting program or the 20th ranked computer science program.

Not bad for a liberal arts university. I bet that quite a few of graduates from those programs have good paying jobs.

I won't bother with the top 20 rankings of our social science programs. There are too many mention, but it is interesting that AFAM is ranked #12.

And ncst's engineering program is ranked #31.

There is a good chance that UNC could improve on that ranking.

Yes, in 1932, they eliminated "duplicate programs" and transferred the UNC Engineering program to UNC-Raleigh. However, the wupaggies have a business program now. So, if good for the goose...

Good point, but I don't think a business program takes the same amount of $$$ to run as an engineering program.

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--- jsb23nc wrote:

Yes, in 1932, they eliminated "duplicate programs" and transferred the UNC Engineering program to UNC-Raleigh. However, the wupaggies have a business program now. So, if good for the goose...

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Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.
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You are exactly correct. What concerns me is that our beloved state is headed for the "wrong side of History." The country is changing and we have perhaps the single most reactionary legislature in the land; not a good mix for progress.

Ah gerrymandering,, wonderful for Democracy isn't it? And before you get on me please understand that I fully realize that the Democrats did the same thing years ago and, in my opinion, it was anti-democracy as it is now.

Go Heels!

I knew a lot of people like your wife's cousin when I was at UNC. We use to refer to them as professional students who were trying to find themselves.

I never saw the virtue in being well rounded with a liberal arts degree and still having to bum money off of my parents after 4 years of college. I never saw the point of getting a four year degree that would land me a job waiting tables or working the drive thru at Burger King.

So being the "knuckle dragger" that I am; I got a B.S. in Math-Computer Science at UNC; had a job offer before I graduated; and never had to ask my parents for a dime after graduation day. I think my father was more proud about that than the actual degree I earned.

I knew a bunch of people at UNC who only needed 4 years of undergraduate work to find gainful employment. But since we majored in things like Math, Chemistry, Physics, Business, Accounting and Nursing; I guess we were just "knuckle draggers" who missed a golden opportunity for getting well rounded liberal arts degree. (And missed the chance to whine about being broke for the rest of our lives.)

It's a free country. Well at least for now it is.

You can major in whatever you want and schools can offer whatever degrees they want to. But the article makes valid points. Life is about choices. And the world doesn't want to hear you whine if you make the wrong ones.

And BTW; there is nothing better in this world than being a UNC Math alum and having 5 NC State Electrical Engineers report to you.


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--- Heel4evr wrote:

My wife's cousin's daughter followed that recommended path. She went to UNC and got a double major in Italian and Psychology. I think she was there about 5 years getting her degree. After graduation, she moved (most likely had her parents move her) to Denver to further contemplate what she wanted to do with her life. After about a year trying to find jobs waiting tables, she had her parents move her back to NC.

By then, I am not sure she had discovered what she wanted to pursue, but it had been revealed to her that she needed to go back to college to pursue a degree program that would allow her to get a job. She went back to UNC in an Accounting graduate program, and now has a job as a CPA with a large accounting firm. Not bad for 7 or so years in college.

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--- bucinor wrote:

The link between an education/degree and the applicability of that degree re. employment has always been a capitalistic bait-and-switch.

Educate yourself liberally, and through that education will be revealed what you wish to pursue, and equally, what you don't.

Neither McCrory, Pope, Stam and the various other Republican knuckle-draggers in the Lege, as well as most of the Democrats whose corrupt stewardship allowed those bozos to waltz into power, cares one whit about the state of education in N.C. As one poster noted earlier, were that the case, they would be falling over themselves to fund K-12.

This is all about money, ideology, and power.

Did you happen to notice when the discussion turned to taxes, and the Republican ALEC-driven proposal to cut the corporate rates and individual rates at the high end to be offset by a sales tax increase was floated? What did Pope do? He balked. Why? His fortune is in retail, dummy. Follow the money, and the ideology.


www.ginandtacos.com/2013/01/15...ouncing-ball-2/

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