Well my history major made the Forbes top 10 worst majors

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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You guys are killing me, LOL. A wuffie troll? I have been a UNC fan and supporter for more years than most of you have been alive. Two degrees from UNC in 6 years. I actually got two degrees in about the same time it takes the current generation to get one. Met my wife there. You guys are killing me.

Where is all this critical thinking that many of you say that liberal arts teaches? You guys seem to think that anyone that says anything other than UNC is holier than thou, and does no wrong, must be a wuffie troll. Paranoia?

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"Sigh" what heel4evr? Are you too busy running down our basketball coach on the other board? What is it exactly about UNC that you do support? Not the curriculum, not the sports teams... is it just the pretty shade of blue that brings out your "4evr"?

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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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I thought it was well known that 4evr is a wuffie troll...

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:


none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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Those stats show that those who work in the medical and educational fields have the lowest unemployment rates.

Two areas of strength at UNC...so why is the governor knocking UNC ?

Could it be,oh I don't know...POLITICS ?

i didn't think we'd have to fight off the new gov too.

Agreed. It's all about mind control. Control the mind and you control the spirit. Eliminate liberal arts and you reduce the # of free thinkers out there.

The Nazis did the same thing when they banned the so called "degenerate" art in the 1930. The freedom to express one's views is a threat to a totalitarian regime. I know you guys think I am crazy, but this is part of a plan to control the way we think so we will not challenge authority, presumably the one set up thru gerrymandered voting districts and revamped electoral college rules

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You are so naive. This is 100% agenda-driven.

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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.

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the part about thinking you're crazy - you are right about that .....

this whole business that one of the central purposes of the liberal arts is to teach students -- 'critical thinking' ........ well, one clue to know when you see the commission of 'critical NON-thinking' is when you see comparisons to Hitler and Nazis in the context of normal democratic American politics .......

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--- Heel1963 wrote:

Agreed. It's all about mind control. Control the mind and you control the spirit. Eliminate liberal arts and you reduce the # of free thinkers out there.

The Nazis did the same thing when they banned the so called "degenerate" art in the 1930. The freedom to express one's views is a threat to a totalitarian regime. I know you guys think I am crazy, but this is part of a plan to control the way we think so we will not challenge authority, presumably the one set up thru gerrymandered voting districts and revamped electoral college rules

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--- SteelFalcon wrote:

You are so naive. This is 100% agenda-driven.

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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.

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When you take something to the extreme, you always run into the possibility of a Nazi comparison. However, even not taking it to the extreme this does serve to raise an eyebrow in McCoy's direction.

People have the liberty to chose their degree as they see fit. There is no need for a so called small government politician to use governmental influence to steer people towards one major or another. Just like the free market, people will ebb and flow where the demand is. And, if people still want to major in liberal arts...that their own damned prerogative.

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the part about thinking you're crazy - you are right about that .....

this whole business that one of the central purposes of the liberal arts is to teach students -- 'critical thinking' ........ well, one clue to know when you see the commission of 'critical NON-thinking' is when you see comparisons to Hitler and Nazis in the context of normal democratic American politics .......

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--- Heel1963 wrote:

Agreed. It's all about mind control. Control the mind and you control the spirit. Eliminate liberal arts and you reduce the # of free thinkers out there.

The Nazis did the same thing when they banned the so called "degenerate" art in the 1930. The freedom to express one's views is a threat to a totalitarian regime. I know you guys think I am crazy, but this is part of a plan to control the way we think so we will not challenge authority, presumably the one set up thru gerrymandered voting districts and revamped electoral college rules

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--- SteelFalcon wrote:

You are so naive. This is 100% agenda-driven.

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--- NCtaxguy wrote:

What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.

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You are not crazy but comparing anything to Nazi Germany is a non-starter for the vast majority.

That said, given the political climate that exists in NC today, bashing UNC is nothing but a net positive for republicans.Conservatives have nothing but contempt for those libruls on Brokeback Hill.

To those who wonder what this has to do with UNC football, I suggest that having a governor and state legislature that is openly hostile to UNC cannot be good for any aspect of the university.

Was Gov trying to steer people to a particular degree type? I thought his argument was that taxpayer dollars should be used to support programs that prepare students to get a job. Of course one could argue that the dollars are taxpayer dollars since the government has no money other than what they confiscate from citizens, and that the taxpayers should therefore decide which college curricula they want to support. But I guess that is another argument for another day.

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When you take something to the extreme, you always run into the possibility of a Nazi comparison. However, even not taking it to the extreme this does serve to raise an eyebrow in McCoy's direction.

People have the liberty to chose their degree as they see fit. There is no need for a so called small government politician to use governmental influence to steer people towards one major or another. Just like the free market, people will ebb and flow where the demand is. And, if people still want to major in liberal arts...that their own damned prerogative.

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

the part about thinking you're crazy - you are right about that .....

this whole business that one of the central purposes of the liberal arts is to teach students -- 'critical thinking' ........ well, one clue to know when you see the commission of 'critical NON-thinking' is when you see comparisons to Hitler and Nazis in the context of normal democratic American politics .......

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people on the football chat room are too close - too supportive of the football team to understand how all this football / AFAM scandal business resonates with the 8,950,000 out of 9 million residents of NC who don't travel to BKS on football Saturdays .....

we have PackPride and Dan Kane and Prof. Smith on one side .... and all the people on IC on the other side ---> picking through the micro-minutia of some faculty committee meeting from 10 years ago and thinking every little semi-colon is supposed to mean something we're all supposed to care about for better or worse as it relates to UNC football .........

the average citizen out there - those 8,950,000 people barely have time to read the headlines much less the details .....they're looking at this from 30,000 feet and all it looks like is UNC is up here spending too much time and money having a good time on sports and Gay and Lesbians in Swahili Literature and not enough attention to what we're really supposed to be doing in Chapel Hill in the first place ......

all you have to do is travel as far as the ZZL chat room right here to pick up a whole different flavor on all this .......



this is the McCroy take:

here we have a bunch of flaky, unaccountable left wingers in Chapel Hill spending the tax payers money like it was water ...... and instead of doing so prudently with their nose to the grindstone ..... all they're doing is going to football and bball games with a bunch of semi-literate ringer professional athletes who can barely read and write ...... and giving them a bunch of fake classes to keep them in school ......10% unemployment in NC and they're taking private airplane excursions to ski resorts with their girlfriends on the taxpayer's dime ...... and they have all these millionaire coaches down there living the good life off of all this -- no more Dean Smiths anymore ..... they're all just a bunch of mercenaries trying cash in on college sports .......

By God -- time to rein it all in and make sure the taxpayers are getting their money's worth .......


I have no doubt that Pat McCroy is sophisticated enough to understand that an educated person might want to learn some American history or Shakespeare along with accounting and engineering and microbiology ........ I also have no doubt that he may very well question why North Carolinians are being taxed to pay for classes in Gays and Lesbians in Mayan Culture .......

"McCrory said, "I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs."

I do agree with that statement. I know this isn't the time or place for an educational debate

Those are national, not UNC stats, as you would probably know if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the school you claim to love "4evr". UNC is turning out smart, employable kids every year, it gets smarter kids coming in every year and as long as the dipthongs in Raleigh don't mess it up, we will be one of the best Universities in the country going forward. Now if the Governor wants to find a school that is absolutely failing in it's mission, he need look no farther than Raleigh.
Looking forward to more of your supportive posts bashing Roy, UNC athletics, and the UNC curriculum. Red pom poms look almost as nice as blue ones. why not just make it official?

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:


none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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Wow - this post is ridiculous on so many levels. Nice job.

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What is the employment rate of UNC grads? iNCeST grads? I think the gov's comments are based on a cost-benefit ratio. If a school is pumping out unemployable grads then the cost to the taxpayers may not be worth the perceived benefit. I don't think this is agenda driven, it's pure $$ and cents. This state spends too much money on education to have such a poorly educated population and the gov wants to rectify that.

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I gotta tell you dadgumgame, you are an absolute genius. Just like you said in the UNC Tech thread, Art Pope wants to see UNC athletics taken down. Absolute genius. Ever heard of the Pope Box?

You are definitely smarter than me. I have no idea what you are talking about, red pom poms?

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Those are national, not UNC stats, as you would probably know if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the school you claim to love "4evr". UNC is turning out smart, employable kids every year, it gets smarter kids coming in every year and as long as the dipthongs in Raleigh don't mess it up, we will be one of the best Universities in the country going forward. Now if the Governor wants to find a school that is absolutely failing in it's mission, he need look no farther than Raleigh.
Looking forward to more of your supportive posts bashing Roy, UNC athletics, and the UNC curriculum. Red pom poms look almost as nice as blue ones. why not just make it official?

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:


none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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The U.S. does NOT have to grant visas to Indians to fill our computer and engineering jobs. Those visas are granted for one reason, many of the Indians work for far less money. I've been in IT for 30 years and am still employed in IT. I know what I'm talking about. On average the U.S. IT workers are far more skilled than the Indians.

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I don't think he's saying that he wants to eliminate liberal arts education. I think he means that as long as we are having to grant visas to Indians to fill our computer and engineering jobs, that we need to redirect funding to encourage our Universities to turn out more of the needed degrees.If you have to eliminate a liberal arts degree program at each of 16 campuses (Example: Gender Studies at UNC, Communications at NCSU, Philosophy at WS State etc. etc.) to fund that then so be it.
It's crazy to import people to fill good paying jobs when we have people, that if educated properly, can fill those jobs.
Actually our Universities should be doing this without prodding from the legislature since our endowment benefits more by having more well paid alumni.
It's just a funding issue. We (the UNC system) are not going to get more funds. How do we get more bang for the buck?

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You can't measure the success of a university using PM's metric because the metric is flawed. Does it really matter if a UNC grad doesn't get a great job the first few years out of school if they later go to law school or back to school for some other advanced degree?

I know all about the Pope Box, Wolfpacker. I also know what Pope does with his daddy's money when he thinks people (or universities, or athletic departments) aren't as deferential to him as he would like. Anyone at the higher levels of the Rams Club would know as well.

If you think the Governor didn't aim the recent comments at UNC and it's athletic department w/o Pope's say so you are as ignorant of politics as you are of sports. I guess that makes you well rounded though, so you've got that going for you.

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I gotta tell you dadgumgame, you are an absolute genius. Just like you said in the UNC Tech thread, Art Pope wants to see UNC athletics taken down. Absolute genius. Ever heard of the Pope Box?

You are definitely smarter than me. I have no idea what you are talking about, red pom poms?

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--- dadgumgame wrote:

Those are national, not UNC stats, as you would probably know if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the school you claim to love "4evr". UNC is turning out smart, employable kids every year, it gets smarter kids coming in every year and as long as the dipthongs in Raleigh don't mess it up, we will be one of the best Universities in the country going forward. Now if the Governor wants to find a school that is absolutely failing in it's mission, he need look no farther than Raleigh.
Looking forward to more of your supportive posts bashing Roy, UNC athletics, and the UNC curriculum. Red pom poms look almost as nice as blue ones. why not just make it official?

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:


none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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dadgum,\\you sound upset. Are you resentful of people with money? You got to learn to relax buddy.

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--- dadgumgame wrote:

I know all about the Pope Box, Wolfpacker. I also know what Pope does with his daddy's money when he thinks people (or universities, or athletic departments) aren't as deferential to him as he would like. Anyone at the higher levels of the Rams Club would know as well.

If you think the Governor didn't aim the recent comments at UNC and it's athletic department w/o Pope's say so you are as ignorant of politics as you are of sports. I guess that makes you well rounded though, so you've got that going for you.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

I gotta tell you dadgumgame, you are an absolute genius. Just like you said in the UNC Tech thread, Art Pope wants to see UNC athletics taken down. Absolute genius. Ever heard of the Pope Box?

You are definitely smarter than me. I have no idea what you are talking about, red pom poms?

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--- dadgumgame wrote:

Those are national, not UNC stats, as you would probably know if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the school you claim to love "4evr". UNC is turning out smart, employable kids every year, it gets smarter kids coming in every year and as long as the dipthongs in Raleigh don't mess it up, we will be one of the best Universities in the country going forward. Now if the Governor wants to find a school that is absolutely failing in it's mission, he need look no farther than Raleigh.
Looking forward to more of your supportive posts bashing Roy, UNC athletics, and the UNC curriculum. Red pom poms look almost as nice as blue ones. why not just make it official?

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

Hey jsb23nc, how bout those stats?

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:


none of you have this thing called - Google ?



well according to CBS News ... FWIW:


College majors with the highest unemployment

1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2%
3. United States history 15.1%
4. Library science 15.0%
5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9%
6. Architecture 10.6%
7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4%
8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3%
9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2%
10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2%
11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2%
12. Social psychology 8.8%
13. International business 8.5%
14. Humanities 8.4%
15. General social sciences 8.2%
16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1%
17. Studio art 8.0%
18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9%
19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7%
20. Liberal arts 7.6%
21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4%
22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3%
23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2%
24. Biochemical sciences 7.1%
25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0%


College majors with lowest unemployment rates

1. Medical technology technician 1.4%
2. Nursing 2.2%
3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6%
4. Medical assisting services 2.9%
5. Agriculture production & management 3.0%
6. Industrial production technologies 3.1%
7. Pharmacy 3.2%
8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3%
9. Elementary education 3.6%
10. Special needs education 3.6%
11. Miscellaneous education 3.7%
12. Mechanical engineering 3.8%
13. High school teacher 3.8%
14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1%
15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2%
16. General education 4.2%
17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3%
18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4%
19. Finance 4.5%
20. Physics 4.5%
21. PE/health education 4.5%
22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7%
23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8%
24. Civil engineering 4.9%
25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5%



and from Forbes .... 10 Least Valuable College Majors:

www.forbes.com/pictures/lmj45l...college-majors/


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--- jsb23nc wrote:

And, again, please cite statistical evidence. Or, perhaps, because you did not take enough liberal arts classes, you are unaware as to how statistics are properly accumulated and analyzed as well as interpreted.


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My wife...a Sociology degree and no job.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

It's not just athletes, many liberal arts majors offer no hope for a good job.

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--- gbunce wrote:

What pray tell does what the governor said have to do with witch-hunting athletics? Unless you're insinuating our athletes are in majors with no likelihood of job success.

Alright. So let's just agree now that Exercise and Sports Science majors like Gio, Reddick, Renner, Hurst, Tim Jackson and others have no future. Right? There's no hope for communications majors like Cooper, Ebron, Guy and Sly Williams. Nor for Management majors like Casey Barth and Thomas Moore. Certainly Applied Science/Biomedical Engineering has no future in it for Pete Mangum nor does Public Policy for Devon Ramsay and Kareem Martin. And Nic Platt definitely has no future opportunity with a degree in Economics. Yep they're all headed for deadendsville and a life on subsistence for sure. They should have all majored in French History like Professor Jay Smith, right?

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That is nowhere close to what my post said. Here is my point: just as certain constituencies went out to take down the UNC football team and the athletic department, more broadly; so too are similar political constituencies looking to take UNC down a peg academically and give a boost to ncst.

McCrory and Pope are signaling where the money is going. Follow the money.

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Not responding to your post itself but the thread title because we've been the subject of an athletic witch-hunt primarily. And to a general idea that this would be a way for the Gov to go after Carolina athletics...

I was just pointing out what types of degree paths some of our current notable players have chosen. Most of which are not the kind of things I would believe to be "worthless" pursuits. That's all. True, the Gov mocks "Swahili" studies in the article and specifically mentions "athletics" in regard to that -- but none of our kids are majoring in such. In fact only 2 claim AFAM as a major, iirc, from looking players' majors up in the 2012 yearbook (well, 3 but Todd Harrelson was dismissed from the team).

If the Gov or legislators are intent on going down this road, then they SHOULD look at our kids' majors and compare that to the other FBS teams in the state system (NCS and ECU) and see where we fall... I think there's no doubt there'd be some serious questioning going on in Raleigh and Greenville and not so much here. :-)

you sure have nailed the Governor ...... he's all about taking down the Tar Heels ..... that was all he talked about in this campaign speeches ..... "Whatever I do as Governor - I promise the people of the great State of North Carolina - that Larry Fedora and Carolina will never get another whiff of the Coastal division crown." [big applause here]

as a matter of fact they are circulating a draft of a bill today that will make it illegal to do anything other than a 'fair catch' on a punt during any football game played in the State of NC ..........

you guys ought to go into political consulting ...... you could be the next Karl Rove or Bob Shrum .........

more about the person than the degree

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

My wife...a Sociology degree and no job.

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--- Heel4evr wrote:

It's not just athletes, many liberal arts majors offer no hope for a good job.

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I was a history major, it had nothing to do with my job, and I don't regret it for a minute. There is ample evidence that liberal arts majors do very well, in time, in earning livings and, very importantly, in contributing to and appreciating our country and state. Go to PackPride, and you find plenty of lamentation that their alumni don't have the dough to contribute to State as ours do to Carolina. For a very rare instance, I completely agree with the Observer's lead editorial today. UNC's impact on elevating NC from poverty--study your history--has been remarkable. And it is still the US's best bargain.

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

My wife...a Sociology degree and no job.

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And I can cite friends and relatives who have been graduates of medical school, graduates of law school, graduates with education degrees, graduates with computer science degrees, graduates with physics degrees who did not or do not have jobs at certain times or now.

Again, you needed some liberal arts education to understand the fallacy of anecdotal evidence as opposed to statistical evidence.

The majority of UNC undergraduate students go on to graduate school. Unless they are nursing, business, sometimes economics/education, etc., the plan for most of us is to go on and obtain a Master's or PhD. When some take a gap year or two to refresh or build resumes, those internships/jobs are not usually very high paying, leading to a lowering of the overall statistics for starting pay for UNC graduates.

However, eventually most of them become wealthier and more educated than the average NCSU undergrad, which is usually less geared toward graduate school. The problem only arises when a few decide to get a liberal arts degree and not move on (or make the grades needed to move on) to graduate school. These are generally few and far between.

While we don't have an engineering program (anymore), our math, statistics, IT, biology, chemistry, business, and economics programs are all ranked more highly than theirs, despite the misconception that we are purely focused on liberal arts (have any of you seen our staggeringly high research numbers?!) and NCSU is more devoted to the sciences. That's simply false. We also have a phenomenal medical school (including AP nursing, PA, etc.), Law school, and other graduate programs of which even McRory would approve.

P.S., I believe McRory himself was a philosophy major...

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--- supergnat85 wrote:

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And I can cite friends and relatives who have been graduates of medical school, graduates of law school, graduates with education degrees, graduates with computer science degrees, graduates with physics degrees who did not or do not have jobs at certain times or now.

Again, you needed some liberal arts education to understand the fallacy of anecdotal evidence as opposed to statistical evidence.

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I'm just gonna throw this out there thanks in part to my liberal arts education:

There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

what major should someone have if they want to say go into politics? engineering?

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So as it turns out I apparently got one of the most useless majors around with my History degree. Except I went to med school with it. Three of my best friends from school used their worthless liberal arts degrees and one got his MBA and two others are lawyers. We're definitely a bunch of bums with no prospects huh?

worthless bums ?

Not at all.

I can see the MBA helping your two lawyers buddies invest their cut after they sue your a$$ .....

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--- tarheelblue8853 wrote:

So as it turns out I apparently got one of the most useless majors around with my History degree. Except I went to med school with it. Three of my best friends from school used their worthless liberal arts degrees and one got his MBA and two others are lawyers. We're definitely a bunch of bums with no prospects huh?

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Well played haha!

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--- BethelRegiment wrote:

worthless bums ?

Not at all.

I can see the MBA helping your two lawyers buddies invest their cut after they sue your a$$ .....

!!!!! :)

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--- tarheelblue8853 wrote:

So as it turns out I apparently got one of the most useless majors around with my History degree. Except I went to med school with it. Three of my best friends from school used their worthless liberal arts degrees and one got his MBA and two others are lawyers. We're definitely a bunch of bums with no prospects huh?

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don't let people from outside UNC cause us to turn on each other. it's their goal.

NCSTupid getting more money than us ? I will believe it when I see it. Pat is the new guy in town, and there are many UNC supporters in the General Assembly ( Republicans and Dems ). Supporting UNC will cut across party lines. As the old saying goes " the Govenor proposes, the Legislature disposes". Not going to keep me awake at night.

Says McCrory, the guy who graduated with a degree in teaching and poli-sci from a LIBERAL ARTS college, Catawba College.

Oh, but that's a private college, so that's okay.

If McCroy is all about free market and results, then he needs to give the money to UNC. We have shown we do a far better job educating future leaders. Heck, he should move moou's engineering school to UNC. We would turn it into a world class program. Its being wasted in rawlee.

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--- Heel1963 wrote:

If McCroy is all about free market and results, then he needs to give the money to UNC. We have shown we do a far better job educating future leaders. Heck, he should move moou's engineering school to UNC. We would turn it into a world class program. Its being wasted in rawlee.

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That's an interesting vision if we became an engineering school also.

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--- Heel1963 wrote:

If McCroy is all about free market and results, then he needs to give the money to UNC. We have shown we do a far better job educating future leaders. Heck, he should move moou's engineering school to UNC. We would turn it into a world class program. Its being wasted in rawlee.

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Unfortunately, the Pope Foundation does not share your opinion.

In today's Durham paper there is a lengthy editorial written by Jane Shaw,president of the John W. Pope Center for Higher Education.

In defending McCrory's remarks she says, "Elite schools such as UNC-Chapel Hill are not serving their students very well when they lead them into majors that have little payoff...the plain hard fact is that many liberal arts graduates are not getting jobs in large part because they haven't learned much in the way of liberal arts !"

She goes on to imply that UNC may not provide a good education for students,stating that "UNC-Chapel Hill does not reveal its assessments of how much its students learn..."

She continues her snarky attack on UNC by alluding to a couple of classes and later insinuates that UNC "graduates have failed to learn respect for private enterprise..."

She finishes by supporting former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels who is the new president of Purdue who, in a letter to the university, warns the faculty not to "indulge in denial and the hubris that says that we are somehow uniquely superb and immune..."

She ends the editorial by saying,"The University of North Carolina,too,should avoid 'denial' and 'hubris'."

I think any reasonable person reading this can't help but recognize that UNC,specifically(and solely?)is the target of this conservative think tank,the Governor,and the state legislature.

Allow me to indulge in denial and hubris by saying that I find it outrageous that anti-intellectual ideologues are deliberately undermining the state's top 5 ranked public flagship institution.

And, yes, belittling UNC and slashing its budget will over time hurt all aspects of the university,including athletics.

tarheelblue, Congratulations on acceptance to medical school and your career as a MD. I don't think anyone will argue that a liberal arts degree cannot be a springboard to getting into professional school or another type of advanced degree that offers good employment possibilities. I think the point people are trying to make is that a liberal arts degree alone just doesn't offer good job possibilities. Sure, one can argue that a liberal arts degree promotes this "critical thinking" skill, but lets face it, that won't pay many bills. I think you would agree that your career success is because of your MD degree, not your history degree. I am sure you have drawn on your history degree for other things in life that are important, but your MD degree is paying the bills.

Also, as you will know since you got into medical school, a "pure" history degree, or any other liberal arts degree will not provide all the science courses required for acceptance into med school. I am sure acceptance requirements might have changed some since I was a undergrad at UNC, but when I was there, you had to have Chem 11 & 21 (plus the labs), Chem 41 and 42, Chem 61 and 62, Physics 24 and 25, plus several biology course to meet minimal acceptance requirements. You might as well had a double major in history and chemistry or biology. Not to offend anyone, although I am sure my comment will, the vast majority of students I knew that were liberal arts majors couldn't pass most of those courses, or certainly not with the grades required for medical school acceptance. Most of them were liberal arts majors for the purpose of having to avoid those type classes.

I do think it is important and beneficial for a student majoring in something other than liberal arts to take some liberal arts courses in history, English, religion and so forth. I just don't think a degree in liberal arts alone offers much hope for good employment possibilities.

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--- tarheelblue8853 wrote:

So as it turns out I apparently got one of the most useless majors around with my History degree. Except I went to med school with it. Three of my best friends from school used their worthless liberal arts degrees and one got his MBA and two others are lawyers. We're definitely a bunch of bums with no prospects huh?

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